Clarification needed for spectators and fans

didn't find out about this until today. read everything so i don't make wrong assumptions.

JMO - i'm sure that there are lots of non-NSX owner that browse this site. knowing CA. we have lots of import enthusiast that will most likely check out this event.

how did you guys plan on preventing people from walking around and watching the event? the one at the hotel.

someone mentioned that they were called a non-enthusiast NSX owner cuz he wouldn't pay. i guess you gotta be rich to be an enthusiast then, huh?

andy - you calling people who don't wanna pay "cry babies". is that what they call people who don't have extra cash to fork out, nowadays?

i mean no disrespect to the people who organize this. just voicing my opinion as a NSX owner and NSXCA member.

i think that this rule go against the rule that you guys posted titled "exotic owner Code of Conduct".
 
Just take your words for it and sign up, Oh yeah that's a good concept.

Last I checked, my NSXCA card says I am Southcentral member #62.

What about yours?

didn't find out about this until today.

If you are an NSX owner registered in Honda's database, you received your NSXPO invitation a couple of months ago.

someone mentioned that they were called a non-enthusiast NSX owner cuz he wouldn't pay.

Not what I said. I said somebody that doesn't want to pay for something is the person "looking for a free lunch" rather than just ponying up the $. What's the word I'm looking for? Freeloader!

i guess you gotta be rich to be an enthusiast then, huh?

No S.A. you don't have to be rich, I'm not.

andy - you calling people who don't wanna pay "cry babies". is that what they call people who don't have extra cash to fork out, nowadays?

News flash Einstein - you knew about NSXPO 2003 a year ago. From previous NSXPO events you could get an idea of the cost. If you really wanted to come, you would've started stacking pennies last year, now wouldn't you have? :rolleyes: I'm not calling them "cry babies" per se, but I sure am calling them "lack of planners"! :mad:
 
I think that all of those who want to have a free NSXPO, in which anyone is welcome to attend without paying, should hold their own, separate event.

Figure out how you're going to pay to rent a track. (Expect to pay $20-30K for the track rental, and $10-15K for the other expenses for the track event.)

Figure out how you're going to pay for a hotel to block off a bunch of rooms for your event. (Hint: They require a guarantee, so you pay for any unused rooms if the attendance isn't what you expect.)

Figure out how to offer meals to a large number of people who haven't paid in advance.

Figure out how to pay for that color brochure that you want to mail to all the owners.

Figure out how you are going to staff the event, since of course no one wants to do any work for it.

Figure out how the track event will work, if no one is going to work for it. Just point everyone to the track and tell them to go for it.

Figure all these things out, and hold your event, and see how it comes out. Then let's talk.
 
Wow ............ :eek:

Folks, please take a step back. This has gone way too far and it is turning nasty and starting to kill the spirit of NSXPO and the efforts put by all the volunteers who are juggling zillion of logistical issues to make this event run as smoothly as possible.

Please give the organizers a moment to respond ...... ;)

The issue of the spectator is a valid one. Given that this is NSXPO and not just any other track event, there are certain parameters and logistics involved.

First and foremost, there are some legalese so bear with me. We have made commitments and received funds from sponsors and supporters using the premise that this is a "closed" event in that not every joe schmoe from the street can walk and participate as a spectator. Only NSXCA members who have registered to NSXPO do. In return they made commitments.

Second, our amenities at the event (such as open buffet banquet, luncheons, goodies from our vendors, supporters, sponsors) are all tailored to people walking freely and picking what they want based on identifiable name tags. So there are some logistics involved in here in keeping track of "volume" in such an open program.

And I can go on with more orgainzational logistsics ...............

HOWEVER, we hear you. We are exploring options that are easy to implement at the same time address many of the other concerns that you may or may not be aware of. Be assured that this IS being reviewed seriously.

Hrant
Chair, NSXPO 2003 Planning Committee
 
Ken - thanks for the welcomed humor break. While you are serious and accurate, I managed to eek out a chuckle, especially over your last point. As usually, you summarize things more eloquently than I do. I'll be the first to admit that I sometimes have the tone and e-verbal graces of a yak :D and when I get a little worked up I tend to ruffle a few feathers. nsxtasy = good cop. Saint = bad cop. (Ironic word play, no?) Both trying to do the same thing, just one has better social skills than the other.

My first couple of NSXPO events I had the same questions as many of you do. I even pondered the expenses incurred at one of these shindigs. That is until I got a first-hand look at the inner workings and fiduciary aspects of this event. Trust me folks, it's not like there will be a surplus of funds that will be diverted to a bank in the Cayman Islands. Every expense is documentable. But it is up to you to justify it to yourself, not the planning team. Just like you justified to yourself the purchase of your NSX, when a lesser expense sportscar probably would've have sufficed.

Signing off, toodles all.
 
Boy Howdy,The attitude of you guy's (Andy and NSXtasy) is quite something.You seem to have lost the whole point of the thing .Isn't it a just to have fun ,market the X and above all ,for the vendors to flog there wares to us.I don't wanna' track @ Sears,I don't want the food I just want to hang out .Do you wan't $300 just for me to hang out .If it's $300 to hang out with you "Charmers" then I think I'll go play nine @ pebble.Enjoy yourselves .Don't forget to take off you're hoods before you put on you're helmets
Love Ya!.:cool:
 
I am kind of sorry that I started this thread. I was ignorant and assumed that this event was a public event that we could pay for daily admission. I have owned my NSX for almost 3 years now and enjoy it everytime I drive it. I never received any information about NSXPO except that I heard it was coming to Infineon Raceway this year. Someone brought it to my attention that we had to pay $300 per person to be able to attend either one day or all 5 days. I thought that was a mistake and thought I'd clarify it.

My situation is probably similar to many other NSX owner's that we are small business owners that need to work in order to survive. I work 6 days a week and if I am lucky, I get a day off here and there depending upon the season. If I work for a company and had vacation time that I could use, I would have planned to take the week off to fully enjoy the NSXPO Experience. Unfortunately, I could only commit to Sunday so why would I want to spend $600 for my wife and I to go out and watch some NSX's drive on the track, view other NSX's, talk to vendors, techs and make new friends, you must be out of your mind. That is also the reason why I haven't joined NSXCA. I only have Sundays free and that is if my wife doesn't have plans for our family already.

My life does not and will not revolve around a CAR. I love my NSX but it is not something that you worship. If my situation was different, I would definitely join and attend club events and other functions and fully utilize my membership from NSXCA. How would anyone know if they want to join NSXCA and learn what it has to offer without going to such an event like NSXPO?

Some of the people who put this event together want to see the NSXPO as an exclusive event because they do not want to share this with anyone outside the NSX community who are not members. That is a little snobbish if you asked me. It just takes a few bad apples to spoil the whole bunch. I was really looking forward to checking out NSXPO 2003 but after hearing what a few of the members had to say, I think I will just enjoy my NSX as it was meant to be.

I can't see why you can't just hire somebody to collect at the entrance. You could have them issue ticket stubs and for those who want just admission to spectate, charge them $25 or something like that. If they want to enjoy the entire days events, you could charge $75 and give them a different colored wrist band which will include lunch, technical seminars, etc. This definitely does not take too long to impliment.

Obviously the people who have the major say so are not business oriented. You are losing ALOT of potential revenue for the club, vendors and future events. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that by promoting such an event as NSXPO and allowing admission to the public, you will get alot more exposure to the NSX community and increase the awareness of this fine automobile. By keeping this under "closed doors" you will eventually contribute to the NSX's extinction.
 
just to clarify things

- when i said "i didn't know about this until today" - i meant the subject that i can't go just to hang out. sorry for the confusion.

- and just to state the fact that i have just bought my 91 NSX a little over a month ago and haven't been a member of this board for no more than 6 months.

i couldn't have known about NSXPO a year ago.

i didn't mean any harm when i voiced my opinion but your words are sure insulting, sometimes.
 
Flattery will get you nowhere. :)

If I were running the event I'd have the social part on the weekend and the track part on weekdays. That would limit the excuses not to register for the social part.

Nevertheless, attendees are getting for free the value of all the organizers' time and all the sponsors' donations. I understand why the organizers don't want to add extra badge types for people who want to pay for only part of the event: It could get quite complex and still there would be some people wanting more options. Also, the all-inclusive price is held down by the fact that not everybody will attend all parts of the event. I might have decided differently, but I wasn't the one volunteering to do the work.

Complaining about lack of options here is like complaining about a Christmas gift. It's unbecoming.

If you pay the full fee and only attend part of the event, consider it your donation to the NSX community. That's what the rest of us are doing. Heck, in 1999 I had to travel to the East Coast and back in the middle of the event! Once you have paid, you have a great incentive to clear your calendar and squeeze in another part of the event. In 1999, it gave me a reason to take the red-eye flight...

My $0.02.
 
Am I Getting this Right?

I just purchased an NSX (8/11/03). Took nearly 4 weeks to arrive from PA, now it's now in its 2nd week at Acura of Riverside getting timing belt etc, new EPS system (thank you Acura), and an assortment of other discretionary upgrades/repairs. I have absolutely no interest in "tracking" my new car.

I joined NSXCA at about the time my car arrived.

I had talked to others on this board about caravaning to N. Cal. (about 5-6 hour drive) on Friday October 10, 2003. I had planned to book 3 nights at Embassy Suites (thereby off-setting clubs responsibility for unused rooms within reserved block). I figured I was on my own for all meals. This seemed like a great opportunity to meet a group of people with at least one interest in common (NSX).

Now from what I understand, the $295 (including late fee) only covers Wed. thru Friday (per this link http://www.nsxpo.org/register.htm click on FEES). Therefore, if I want to join the group on the weekend I must register to track my car ($470 because I didn't sign up by 8/25) even though I have no interest in putting my car on a track, plus, there are already a dozen or so people on the waiting list, meaning that I possibly couldn't track my car even if I wanted to. Then I have to pay a late fee ($75 for not registering by 9/15) and an additional $100 for not coming to the event sooner.

That's $645 to get on a waiting list to do something I don't want to do, on top of the approx. $400 for the room.

Am I missing something? If I"m wrong, what is the Saturday and/or Sunday attendance fee?

For what its worth, I would be willing to volunteer to help staff the event on Saturday or Sunday if that would help with logistics.
 
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"Now from what I understand, if I want to join the group I must register to track my car ($470 because I didn't sign up by 8/25) even though I have no interest in putting my car on a track"

I believe you have incorrect information.
 
nsxtasy said:
I think that all of those who want to have a free NSXPO, in which anyone is welcome to attend without paying, should hold their own, separate event.
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Nobody is asking for a free event. We are just asking that you break down the event to charge by the day for those who can not take the time off to go for all 5 days. $300 to register for 5 days. That makes it $60 per day. Just charge $75 per day.


nsxtasy said:
Figure out how you're going to pay to rent a track. (Expect to pay $20-30K for the track rental, and $10-15K for the other expenses for the track event.)
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All you have to do is promote this event through all the different car forums to draw interest. Charge admission at the gate for spectators. I am sure alot of the vendors are paying for their display booths, sponsors, etc. Been to a few import car shows and they draw huge crowds and participants as well as spectators.


nsxtasy said:
Figure out how you're going to pay for a hotel to block off a bunch of rooms for your event. (Hint: They require a guarantee, so you pay for any unused rooms if the attendance isn't what you expect.)
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Just contact a couple of the hotels in the immediate area and tell them that you are hosting an event. See if they want to participate in a group discount otherwise you will check with the other hotel down the street. With the economy these days, they would be stupid not to offer a discount. That is what the Best Western at the Willows do for Thunderhill track participants and spectators.


nsxtasy said:
Figure out how to offer meals to a large number of people who haven't paid in advance.
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I am sure there are vendors who would be more than happy to set up a catering business within the facility to such an event if they know there would be a good turnout of SPECTATORS. They will also pay for their space so that will generate additional revenues to pay for the track rental.


nsxtasy said:
Figure out how to pay for that color brochure that you want to mail to all the owners.
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For those who register in advance for the full 5 days, will be given a special commerative program which will be mailed or given to them at the time of registration. What is so hard about that?


nsxtasy said:
Figure out how you are going to staff the event, since of course no one wants to do any work for it.
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For those who want to volunteer, you will gain access to the event at no cost. You will need to perform specific duties within that event otherwise you will be asked to leave. As long as you give volunteers a couple of hours in the day to socialize, I am sure you will get alot of people wanting to help out. Just have to figure out how many you need so those people who respond first will get first priority. As for duties, it will be assigned and not by your choice. All duties that need to be performed will be written in a piece of paper and have the volunteer pull it from a hat. This way they can't say you gave me the worst assignment.


nsxtasy said:
Figure out how the track event will work, if no one is going to work for it. Just point everyone to the track and tell them to go for it.
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When you rent the track out, they are responsible for having a track master and corner workers to make sure the event is run in a safe manner.


nsxtasy said:
Figure all these things out, and hold your event, and see how it comes out. Then let's talk.
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"Now from what I understand, if I want to join the group I must register to track my car ($470 because I didn't sign up by 8/25) even though I have no interest in putting my car on a track"

I believe you have incorrect information.
 
Litespeeds said:
We are just asking that you break down the event to charge by the day for those who can not take the time off to go for all 5 days.

Been to a few import car shows and they draw huge crowds and participants as well as spectators.

See if they want to participate in a group discount otherwise you will check with the other hotel down the street.

For those who want to volunteer, you will gain access to the event at no cost. You will need to perform specific duties within that event otherwise you will be asked to leave.
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Wow. A day-by day breakdown. You might as well have tickets to each dinner or lunch or other activity. Then you need volunteers to collect tickets and other volunteers to collect money from people without tickets.

We don't want huge crowds of specatators. We want to socialize as a club. With huge crowds, you have economy of scale and can afford most of what you are asking for.

Um, $129 for the ES is an excellent group discount.

Free admission for volunteers under your scenario would double the price, cancelling out your savings. FWIW, NSXPO volunteers have never gotten free admission.

Have you ever planned and executed an event of this size? You seem to greatly underestimate the amount of work involved.
 
Litespeeds said:
Some of the people who put this event together want to see the NSXPO as an exclusive event because they do not want to share this with anyone outside the NSX community who are not members.
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No, we simply want this event to be enjoyed by the people who are paying for it.

Litespeeds said:
I can't see why you can't just hire somebody to collect at the entrance. You could have them issue ticket stubs and for those who want just admission to spectate, charge them $25 or something like that. If they want to enjoy the entire days events, you could charge $75 and give them a different colored wrist band which will include lunch, technical seminars, etc. This definitely does not take too long to impliment.
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Spoken by someone who has obviously never planned such an activity, nor volunteered to do the work.

Accommodating spectators is simply not a priority. If you think this is not the way it should be, then join the club (which you haven't done), and get a planning committee of people to work on an event (which you haven't done), and put forth a proposal to hold NSXPO (which you haven't done), and do it the way you would like to do it. Or, you can even start your own club. But don't complain about the way other people are doing things when you haven't joined the club, haven't volunteered to do the work, and you simply want things to be done in a way to accommodate you.

Originally posted by tararan
- when i said "i didn't know about this until today" - i meant the subject that i can't go just to hang out.
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So you're saying that you didn't know about this until today because you didn't see this topic on NSXprime until today. Even though you would have known about it on July 28 if you had seen the topic that was posted on NSXprime on July 28.

Originally posted by RoNSX
Now from what I understand, the $295 (including late fee) only covers Wed. thru Friday (per this link http://www.nsxpo.org/register.htm, click on FEES).
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That is not correct at all. The NSXPO 2003 website notes that the terms for the event are covered in the event brochure. The $295 registration fee does not include a late fee; the late fee is on top of that. The event brochure states clearly that the general registration ($295, would have been $255 if you had registered earlier) includes activities on Wednesday through Sunday, including lunch on Saturday, dinner on Saturday, lunch on Sunday, and spectating at the track.
 
Even though you would have known about it on July 28 if you had seen the topic that was posted on NSXprime on July 28.
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sorry didn't see it neither.
 
It is pointless to argue over this topic. I know exactly where everyone stands regarding this "special event". Everyone has their opinions and not everyone will agree with the final decisions/results. It is a shame that some of us had to be so rude about it. The NSX community is not what I originally thought it to be. :(
 
I have been following this thread and have tried not to chime in but I just have to throw my 2 cents in nonetheless.

NSXPO, as with all events organized under the "umbrella" of the NSXCA including regional get-togethers, is nothing than more than an "opportunity" for any interested members to get together, meet old friends or make new ones, perhaps track your car and otherwise use the NSX as an "excuse" to have an extremely enjoyable day/days away from work.

No one is forced to go to these events and no one is "excluded" based upon an imagined sense of elitism or other misguided personal belief that they are not being included in "our reindeer games." Events cannot be planned to suit every individual's budget, vacation/work schedule or other conflicts that may arise with dates that are chosen.

I am not a board member nor organizer of this event but I have chosen to make time in both my budget and hectic work schedule to attend from NY. Yes, I am busy as many persons are but I chose to make this a priority in my schedule and spent a considerable amount of time and effort to be able to attend. If my work schedule/family commitments/budgetary considerations presented a conflict, I would have regretted not being able to attend but I would wish all those who were going the best for an enjoyable event.

To suggest that the rules that are established for the event, both out of an organizational standpoint as well as legal necessity, will result in your decision never to join the NSXCA or attend any event is a self-centered, short-sighted attitude. This will do nothing more than preclude you from enjoying the benefits of the organization and its members if and when there is time that you may be able to attend an event.

I do not mean to lecture or otherwise criticize any one in this thread. But let's cut to the chase and admit to ourselves that a lot of hard work is being volunteered by the organizers to run a fun and safe event that provides all interested members "the opportunity" to attend NSXPO. If you cannot make it this year, there will be another one next year. If you are too busy to do a Canyon Drive or weekend in New Hampshire, take the initiative and plan an event that interests you and fits your schedule and invite others to join you.

Owning an NSX does not confer an inalienable right to attend events on "your own terms" nor does it justify needless and destructive diatribes on this forum if an event cannot be tailor-made to suit over 1000 different members' schedules/agendas.

Bob
 
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>>If it's $300 to hang out with you "Charmers" then I think I'll go play nine @ pebble.

I assume you can just show up at Pebble and play golf? No registration required, no tee time reserved? And since you're golfing that day I assume it's OK for you to invite a bunch of your friends to watch you? Afterwards your friends can relax in the clubhouse while the Pebble facility feeds and cleans up after them (for free of course) whether there are 2 or 200 of them - no need for the kitchen to plan ahead right? And finally if any of the free golf and food arrangements don't suit you or your friends I guess you'll right them an angry note and maybe go watch a free movie, or get a free car wash, or maybe even a free new car. Correct?
 
Boy Howdy,The attitude of you guy's (Andy and NSXtasy) is quite something.

After ya get run over a few times, it is difficult to still be kissy-kissy.

No need to go overboard. Some people want a la carte pricing, and it doesn't happen to be available. That's all.

Right!! Our point exactly, but some people (specifically ones that have never organized an event such as this) just don't get it. :confused:

I assume you can just show up at Pebble and play golf? No registration required, no tee time reserved? And since you're golfing that day I assume it's OK for you to invite a bunch of your friends to watch you? Afterwards your friends can relax in the clubhouse while the Pebble facility feeds and cleans up after them (for free of course) whether there are 2 or 200 of them - no need for the kitchen to plan ahead right? And finally if any of the free golf and food arrangements don't suit you or your friends I guess you'll right them an angry note and maybe go watch a free movie, or get a free car wash, or maybe even a free new car. Correct?

Soichiro - may I kiss you? Hopefully your post will draw an obvious parallel analogy to our golfer buddy.

daveh - how's about this.....If I come to NSXPO 2003 you and I will play PB sans handicap, low score buys the other person's round and NSXPO fee. I am putting my money where my mouth is, let's see if you will do the same.
 
Even though I cannot attend NSXPO this year, I have been reading this thread with some interest. I've been involved with planning large events, and everything from getting the date set to thanking everyone at the end of the event is tough chore. But, in this instance, maybe for future NSXPO's there can be a provision for those NSXCA members interested in spectating only at the track. If you register for the social events maybe there can be an additional nominal fee that can give access to the track to socialize. It's not like someone is trying to sneak their car onto the track, right??

I don't know the right answer, but it does seem silly to be arguing about it for this years event. It's done with and over, the rules are as is and it's too late to change the rules. But, since this is an event planned by the NSXCA and partially sponsored by Acura, maybe there can be a provision made to allow for the topic of dicsussion to be addressed in advance of next years NSXPO. I'm sure Acura, which sent me the registration, would like to see me spend money to support the community.

Now it's time for me find my flame resistant suit and hide in the corner.
 

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