Acura NSX-T vs. Porsche 911 Turbo

[nsxtasy]

Originally posted by 8000RPM:
I saw one last weekend at the local P-car dealership that had a sticker price of $125,000.

I think G-man said in his post that he paid $130k.

Just to clarify: According to Edmunds, $115,765 is the base price on the 2002 911 Turbo. To that, you've then got to select options such as:

Option
Code Option Name Invoice MSRP TMV

XX1 "Porsche" Lettering Floormats
N/A $395 $395

XPA 3-Spoke Steering Wheel - Interior Leather
N/A $565 $565

XP* 3-Spoke Steering Wheel with Trim Combinations
Includes steering wheel trim combinations of light wood/leather, dark wood/leather or carbon/leather. N/A $1,195 $1,195

696 AM/FM Radio with CD Player
$296 $350 $350

P13 Advanced Design Package
Includes 1) Arctic Silver painted trim groove, central air vent mounting, left/right trim switch, instrument surround, side air vent slats and loudspeaker; 2) Black leather-trimmed climate control or digital sound processor trim and lower switch trim (when ordered with Porsche Communication Management System [662]); 3) Interior leather color-trimmed side air vents, defroster trim, ignition lock rosette, door loudspeaker finishes, finishers for mirror attachment points, door storage bin cover and door handle cover; and 4) Interior color-painted dashboard loudspeaker finishers, stainless steel door sills with embossed model insignia and aluminum-look instrument dials. N/A $4,385 $4,385

X71 Aluminum Instrument Dials
N/A $920 $920

E78 Arctic Silver Interior Package
Includes trim groove, central air vent mounting, left and right switch trim, instrument surround, side air vent slats and loudspeaker grille cover all painted in Arctic Silver, climate control or digital sound processor trim and lower switch trim in Black leather trim, side air vents, defroster trim, ignition lock rosette, in-door loudspeaker finishers, finishers for mirror attachment points, door storage bin cover and door handle cover in interior color leather trim, and in-dash loudspeaker finishers painted in interior color. N/A $3,100 $3,100

X69 Carbon Door Sill Model Insignia
N/A $775 $775

E73 Carbon Interior Package
Includes lower part of instrument panel trim molding groove, center air vents frame, left and right frame for air conditioning control unit and lower switch covers, door handle front side, lid of door storage and cover of rear speakers covered in Carbon, side air vent outlet and defrost trim covered in a combination of Carbon and interior color leather, side air vents including slats, cover of front speakers, ignition lock rosette and mirror attachment in interior color leather. N/A $6,165 $6,165

P44 Carbon Package
Includes instrument surround, trim molding (groove), central air vents frame, left and right frame for heater and air conditioning control unit and lower switch covers and door sill plates with 'Carrera' logo all in carbon, color ignition lock rosette in interior color leather and central air vents painted in interior color. N/A $2,590 $2,590

XMJ Carbon-trimmed Rear Center Console
N/A $1,595 $1,595

M6* Colored Floor Mats
Includes Porsche-lettering floormats in color choices of Black, Metropol Blue, Natural Brown, Nephrite Green, Boxter Red, Graphite Grey or Savanna Beige. $97 $115 $115

XS* Colored Seat Belts
Includes color choices of Guards Red, Maritime Blue or Speed Yellow. N/A $535 $535

Y0* Custom Handbrake/Shifter Trim
Includes trim choices of Carbon/Aluminum, Leather/Aluminum, Light Wood/Aluminum or Dark Wood/Aluminum. N/A $875 $875

XNB Dark Wood Rear Center Console
N/A $1,595 $1,595

498 Delete Model Designation
$0 $0 $0

652 Delete Sunroof
$0 $0 $0

P71 Design Package
Includes door sill plates with 'Carrera' logo, aluminum-look instrument dials, stainless steel exhaust pipes, rear center console in Arctic Silver, shifter and handbrake lever in interior color leather with aluminum inlay. N/A $1,980 $1,980

Z34 Deviating Carpet Color
N/A $295 $295

Z88 Door and Dash Stitching in Deviating Color
N/A $290 $290

XD9 Exterior Color Rims and Caps
N/A $1,535 $1,535

XX2 Footwell Lighting
N/A $725 $725

XMF Front Console in Interior Leather
N/A $490 $490

Z48 Front Hood Without Porsche Crest
N/A $145 $145

Z84 Front Seat Stitching in Deviating Color
N/A $230 $230

982 Front and Rear Supple Leather
$332 $395 $395

Z113 Front/Rear Seats in Deviating Color
N/A $280 $280

P45 Full Carbon Package
Includes instrument surround, trim molding (groove), side air vents and slats, defroster trim, speaker cover, left and right central air vent frame, frame for heater and air conditioning control unit, lower switch covers, ignition rosette, rear center console, switch covers, ashtray cover, handbrake cover, lid for storage, sunvisors, cover for vanity mirror, front center console, storage, CD or tape shelf and switch cover in interior color leather, mirror attachment in soft paint in interior color, speaker grill and central air vent outlet painted in interior color. N/A $8,325 $8,325

P50 Full Dark Wood Package
Includes instrument surround, trim molding (groove), central air vents frame, left and right frame for heater and air conditioning control unit, lower switch covers, front side door handle, lid of door storage, cover of rear speakers, rear center console, switch covers, ashtray cover and handbrake cover in Dark Burr Maple, side air vents outlet and defroster trim in Dark Burr Maple and interior color leather, shifter and handbrake lever in Dark Burr Maple and interior color leather with aluminum inlay, side air vent slats, front speaker covers, ignition lock rosette and mirror attachment covered in interior color leather and speaker grill and center air vent outlet painted interior color. N/A $7,825 $7,825

P55 Full Leather Package
Includes instrument surround, trim molding (groove), side air vents and slats, defroster trim, speaker cover, left and right central air vent frame, frame for heater and air conditioning control unit, lower switch covers, ignition rosette, rear center console, switch covers, ashtray cover, handbrake cover, lid for storage, sunvisors, cover for vanity mirror, front center console, storage, CD or tape shelf and switch cover in interior color leather, mirror attachment in soft paint in interior color, speaker grill and central air vent outlet painted in interior color. N/A $4,900 $4,900

P52 Full Light Wood Package
Includes instrument surround, trim molding (groove), central air vents frame, left and right frame for heater and air conditioning control unit, lower switch covers, front side door handle, lid of door storage, cover of rear speakers, rear center console, switch covers, ashtray cover and handbrake cover in Light Burr Maple, side air vents outlet and defroster trim in Light Burr Maple and interior color leather, shifter and handbrake lever in Light Burr Maple and interior color leather with aluminum inlay, side air vent slats, front speaker covers, ignition lock rosette and mirror attachment covered in interior color leather and speaker grill and center air vent outlet painted interior color. N/A $7,825 $7,825

P14 Heated Front Seats Package
$351 $415 $415

5** Individual Lumbar Support
Includes choice of driver or passenger seat lumbar support. $319 $380 $380

XTG Inner Doorsill Leather Release Levers
N/A $540 $540

Z110 Instrument 'Hump' in Deviating Color
N/A $165 $165

X45 Instrument Dials Painted Interior Color
N/A $845 $845

XMA Leather A/B Pillar and Roof Liner
N/A $1,395 $1,395

XZD Leather Dome Lamp Cover
N/A $330 $330

E70 Leather Interior Package
Includes lower part of instrument panel, trim molding groove for upper dashboard, side fresh air vents, defroster cover, frame of air conditioner, left and right switch covers and ignition lock rosette all in leather, speaker grill and fresh air vents painted in interior color, cover for mirror attachment painted in soft paint interior color. N/A $2,950 $2,950

99 Leather Interior to Sample
$1,457 $1,735 $1,735

XSD Leather Seat Adjustment Knobs
N/A $795 $795

XMP Leather Sun Visors with Lighted Mirror
N/A $560 $560

XMZ Leather-trimmed Rear Center Console
N/A $1,245 $1,245

XML Light Wood-trimmed Rear Center Console
N/A $1,595 $1,595

Z109 Lower Dashboard in Deviating Color
N/A $80 $80

X70 Metal Door Sill Model Insignia
N/A $420 $420

0* Natural Leather
Includes choice of brown or grey. $1,176 $1,400 $1,400

9* Paint to Sample
Includes choice of metallic or non-metallic paint. $2,924 $3,460 $3,460

635 Parking Assist System
Includes audible distance warning system. $441 $525 $525

662 Porsche Communication Management
Includes cassette radio, GPS navigation system powered by separate CD-ROM drive, on-board computer and climate control indicator (CD-ROM data must be updated every 6 months). $2,991 $3,540 $3,540

XSC Porsche Crest in Headrest
N/A $215 $215

XME Rear Center Console Painted Exterior Color
N/A $725 $725

XJB Rear Center Console Painted Silver
N/A $725 $725

692 Remote 6-Disc CD Changer
$604 $715 $715

549 Roof Transport System
$332 $395 $395

Z111 Seat Inserts in Deviating Color
N/A $1,795 $1,795

E61 Small Arctic Silver Package
Includes trim groove, central air vent mounting, left and right switch trim, instrument surround all painted in Arctic Silver, climate control or digital processor trim and lower switch trim in Black leather trim and hazard warning lamp trim in interior color leather trim. N/A $860 $860

E77 Small Carbon Package
Includes lower part of instrument panel, trim molding groove, center air vents frame, left, right and lower switch covers for frame of air conditioner control unit in Carbon, ignition lock rosette in interior color leather, center air vents painted in interior color. N/A $2,100 $2,100

E76 Small Dark Wood Package
Includes lower part of instrument panel, trim molding groove, center air vents frame, frame for air conditioning control unit, left, right and lower switch covers in dark wood, leather ignition lock rosette in interior color and center vents painted in interior color. N/A $2,100 $2,100

E74 Small Leather Package
Includes lower part of instrument panel, trim molding groove for upper dashboard, center air vents, carrier for heater control, frame of air conditioner, left and right switch covers and ignition lock rosette all in leather and fresh air vents painted in interior color. N/A $1,190 $1,190

E75 Small Light Wood Package
Includes lower part of instrument panel, trim molding groove, center air vents frame, frame for air conditioning control unit, left, right and lower switch covers in light wood, leather ignition lock rosette in interior color and center vents painted in interior color. N/A $2,100 $2,100

** Special Leather
Includes color choice of Boxter Red or Cinnamon Brown. $378 $450 $450

** Special Metallic Paint
Includes color choices of Forest Green, Cobalt Blue, Polar Silver, Slate Grey or Midnight Blue. $1,884 $2,230 $2,230

XSB Sport Seat Backs Covered in Interior Leather
N/A $1,595 $1,595

XSA Sport Seats Painted to Match Exterior Color
N/A $1,475 $1,475

XNS Steering Column Covered in Interior Leather
N/A $315 $315

Z97 Steering Wheel in Deviating Color
N/A $95 $95

XAF Turbo Aerokit
Inlcudes rear wind spoiler, chin spoiler and lower side kits in matching exterior color. N/A $7,490 $7,490

Z108 Upper Dashboard in Deviating Color
N/A $135 $135

446 Wheel Caps with Colored Porsche Crest (4)
$148 $175 $175

E7* Wood Interior Package
Includes choice of light or dark wood-trimmed lower part of instrument panel trim molding groove, side air vents, center air vents frame, left and right frame for air conditioning control unit and lower switch covers, door handle front side, lid of door storage and frame of rear speakers, defrost trim covered in a combination of wood and interior color leather, side air vents including slats, cover of front speakers, ignition lock rosette and mirror attachment in interior color leather. N/A $6,165 $6,165

 

[8000RPM]

Hey Allan, you crack me up... But be nice now!


[This message has been edited by 8000RPM (edited 26 August 2002).]

 

[Jason Weaver]

Sig, Nice! Didn't know about your 996tt encounter. How's the car doing? From the sounds of it, must be running pretty good.

Any plans for an exhaust to wake that baby up??? Talk to ya soon!


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Jason

 

[Sig]

JW-

Running strong. I haven't decided on anything for exhaust as of yet. The only thing I will be doing for sure in that department is removing the cats for more accurate tuning. I can't decide where my money is better spent... exhaust or aftercooler? We'll see.

jw-Any word about September yet?

Sorry for the thread kidnapping.

 

[G-man]

Originally posted by Edwardo:
It is unfortunate that Acura does not release an "S" verson here in the United States wherein the "S" would really stand for "supercharged". I think this "S" version would be a nice rival to the Porche turbo and Ferrari 360 in terms of raw performance.

Well, I have to agree. The NSX is such a great 75% solution. Hopefully Honda will address this in the next version. Porsche has used everything they have learned over the last 35 years of racing to make the 911 better. Since the 911 intro in 1967, they didn't make that much progress by 1977 either. It really wasn't until 1983 with the 911SC that Porsche really started to get it right. It took Porsche 15 years to get start the next step, so maybe the NSX will evolve too.

The nice thing about the Porsche that I hope will happen to the NSX is evolution and not revolution. We will all just have to wait and see, but the Porsche 911 Turbo is good enough for me for now.

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Gordon G. Miller, III
2000 NSX-T #51 Yellow/Black

 

[G-man]

Originally posted by Teej:
As reported in so many editorials, the newer Porsche models are becoming more user friendly and are effortless to drive. This is why they say many "old school" die hard Porsche fans seem to frown at todays highly advanced and more technical model Porsches because they seem to take away that old "Porsche" mystique of handling what many have considered to be the only "true" sports car ever.

Well, I think I am qualified to address this issue since this is my 3rd 911. The 1975 911S was real "old school" and VERY important to drive on the race track so you get used to ACCELERATING when you start to get out of control, it is harder than you think. VERY counter-intuitive. It was a great car. Lots of power and minimal weight. Actually, it has 215 hp but only 2,380lbs, so very similar power to weight as the NSX.

My 1996 Carrera 4S was the last of the air cooled models and another "old school" myth. It was a GREAT! car. I almost bought a 1997 or 1998 Turbo instead since I love this mode so much. There is nothing before 1995 that Porsche has made that even remotely compares to the 993 models. You figure it took them long enough from 1983 to make the next jump... 12 long years.

This lattest Twin Turbo is very much unlike all the old school 911 myths. It is water cooled, it has power steering, it has traction control, it has stability management, etc, etc... and all of it works together so well that driving is nearly as effortless as the NSX.

... only 10x faster.

I was skeptical, but purchased the car without even driving it after seeing the latest reviews and videos. It really is a great car. My only hope is that the NSX will continue this slow and steady migration like the 911 into a classic exotic that finally earns the respect of the general public and motoring press.

Porsche did it, and I think the NSX can too. Only time well tell.

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Gordon G. Miller, III
2000 NSX-T #51 Yellow/Black

 

[G-man]

Originally posted by Teej:
or contact RUF...

Actually, I was in Europe last year and almost took delivery of a car back then, but I had to overcome a lot of fear and myths about the 911 Turbo to feel comfortable plunking down $128 large on one. But, now I don't regret it at all. It was the 10,000 hp shootout that was the clincher for me. The Autothority 911 came in #2. That was cool. I will also have to check out the BilletDesigns stuff here too.

Thanks,

 

[G-man]

Originally posted by ALLAN:
as a matter of fact netviper, i was at moroso in palm beach with an experienced porsche driver clicking off consistant 11.90's from a bone stock 996 tt.

Yeah, I think this is much more the case here. This car is 0-100 in 9.2 seconds, so you figure that anything in the high 12 seconds is WAY OFF. The 11.90 is a lot closer to what I have seen in person. I spent a lot of time on the race track and some of these guys had really modified NSXs and I just can't imagine any of them holding their own with this car. Even the Ferrari 360s whipped up on the modified NSXs and this new 996TT kicks but on the Ferrari 360 Modena. I don't know, someone with a hightly modified NSX come on down and we will see for ourselves.

 

[G-man]

Originally posted by erobbins:
I would bet that the average driver can move a stock 996 Turbo around the track faster than just about any NSX in any configuration. The car is that easy to drive, and the stability management system is that good.

EDR, You are quite right. Judging from my rapid trips over VERY familiar public roads around here I can tell you that this car is almost bullet proof. The PSM is INSANE! As many have seen the car is FASTER with it ON! Don't try that with the NSX traction control. The Porsche is the first that I have ever seen to ADD throttle in the event of a spin and start to move power to ALL 4 WHEELS in order to get the car back under control. None of this RETARD THROTTLE crap you get with the NSX. You really have to drive the 996TT FAST to really appreciate it, but when you do, it leaves you wondering why more cars are not this advanced... oh yeah, that is right, THEY ARE NOT A PORSCHE!

"Porsche, there is no substitute"

 

[ALLAN]

a little vid for those thinking a z06 could beat the 911 tt. http://hobbystage.net/porsche/media.cgi?site=rmr&folder=*&group=1&page=*&id=1021947781-000755

 

[G-man]

Originally posted by cojones:
Does your car have the X50 enhancement package ??

Hahaha! Nope. I read about this option too, but some on, I mean really. You have to figure that by the time you get the essential options the price on mine was $121K, so adding $17K and then adding additional luxury tax and sales tax would have driven the price to over $150K. I figured I would just settle for this "starter" Porsche and move up later if I liked it.

Actually, Porsche is thinking of building a version of the Turbo cabrio next year, I might opt for a trade in and opt for the X-50 package on that. I'll keep you posted.

 

[G-man]

Originally posted by NetViper:
KBB gave me 115K on the Turbo.. who is selling it for 130??

Mine was $121 with various options and accessories. With taxes, etc, the whole thing was just a shade over $128,000. I think it was rounded up to $130K. Really doesn't matter once you get over $115K.

 

[G-man]

Originally posted by Saturn:
anyone noticed that the used '95 and above Carreras have already dropped considerably in price recently?

Yep, I sold my 1996 Carerra 4S for $51,250 a while back and noticed that they can be had at Manheim wholesale auction these days for as little as $41,000. Not a bad deal on a REALLY good car. 282 hp, Turbo suspension and brakes. Really good deals out there now.

 

[G-man]

Originally posted by 8000RPM:
I am curious though... do you think you can beat a boosted MR2 with a GenIII motor (or whatever it's called)? I hear those are pretty mean...

Only 1 way to find out.

 

[G-man]

Originally posted by nsxtasy:
Just to clarify: According to Edmunds, $115,765 is the base price on the 2002 911 Turbo. To that, you've then got to select options such as:

Option
Code Option Name Invoice MSRP TMV

XX1 "Porsche" Lettering Floormats
N/A $395 $395

<ENTIRE PORSCHE CATALOG DELETED>

Ken, you crack me up dude. You definately need a life.

Thanks for helping to clarify. I have about 8 of the options and will post all detials later if you are all interested. The total purchase price on mine was $121K with options, but with lux tax of almost 2.5K and VA sales tax of 5.5K, total was a bit over $128K.

 

[G-man]

I just wanted to say thanks to all of you out there on NSXPRIME.COM. I thought I would draw serious fire for even daring to challenge the NSX, even modded ones, with my bone stock 996TT. It looks like may of you know where to draw the line between devotion to the NSX and utter delerium.

Thanks for all the good feedback. I will post pictures soon in one of the off topic areas and use Ken's handy options code summary to select my options.

Thanks again and I am giving rides to anyone who wants... with preferences for young blonde females.

hahahaha!

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[8000RPM]

Originally posted by ALLAN:
a little vid for those thinking a z06 could beat the 911 tt.

Cool video! That P-car looked fast as hell!

BTW, I don't think any of us thinks a Z06 could beat a TT.


[This message has been edited by 8000RPM (edited 26 August 2002).]

 

[Civic_Hatch99]

ill see if you wanta take a 301 hp 99 civic hatchback on the track mister 911tt ? hehe acccually i wouldn't even get close it would be fun tho.. in a track with a best time of 1:12 and i did a 1:35 and a nsx 99 with 1:32 i think i did good! hehe

 

[NSX/MR2]

Allan,
Why don't u just zip it for a second, we were all there at that canyon run in Palomar Mountain run hosted by me 2 weeks ago, there were 15 vehicles all total, and we all witness the NSX BBSC went to head with the 996TT, and even the P turbo admitted how surprised he was at the NSXS capability. For the record, I think that your Lotus and Lambo is a piece of junk for the money, my modify friend's 2002 ZO6 will embarrass the hell out of u, and even he appreciate the NSX's capability. All your car look good, accelerate a bit more aggressive than the NSX, but they can't hold up a damn, Post me that picture when u break in 100,000 in either one of those vehicle, u joker. Get out of this forum and go over to the other forum, please.

 

[ALLAN]

degle, anytime you want to try and take on the lotus or the lambo you let me know. neither car will ever hit 100,000 miles as i upgrade all the time. life would be awfully boring having to drive the same car for long periods of time.dont you think? as to your buddies z06, bring it on! how about we get some supercharged nsx's to race my stock lotus and see what happens?

 

[ALLAN]

now if you want to calm down, i never said that the nsx didnt beat the porsche. i merely stated that i wanted to see a supercharged nsx turn an 11.90@118 with my own eyes, as i did the 911.

as far as the lambo accelerating a bit quicker than an nsx, haha you are sadly mistaken, as i will leave your nsx,supercharged or not, like it was standing still.

 

[NSX/MR2]

Talk is real cheap, save it for the juveniles. You live in Arizona right? One of these days when my car is done, I will make a trip out there and I will bring the NSX with me, I will let you know beforehand, and we are going to do this.

 

[ALLAN]

ready when you are! just try and hurry up, because im getting that itch again and you'll be racing a murcielago.

 

[NSX/MR2]

Just for the record. I can buy a 2002 NSX for 88,000 bucks, throw in another 12,000 for modification i.e. BBSC, and I will have a rocket ship, still reliable, and look good doing it. With that, I still save a chunk of money from buying a lambo, or a porsche, and at least I know I am alway gonna be in good companies with the people around me.

 

[8000RPM]

Take it easy guys!

We don't want another deleted thread now, do we?