2004 NSX photo in Road and Track ( Supposedly)
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Find the 9 differences!
I had not seen this one. I like it.
So you need only 9 small changes in a Celica to have your next car!
Spoiler is one, the rear air intakes are the second, an Honda badge, ...
...and most important the gas fuel door on the Celica NEEDS this sticker!
http://www.golf3.de/autos/20/3.jpg
Spoiler is one, the rear air intakes are the second, an Honda badge, ...
...and most important the gas fuel door on the Celica NEEDS this sticker!
http://www.golf3.de/autos/20/3.jpg
What's the different with RSX then? You can get it NOW
Originally posted by insx:
What's the different with RSX then? You can get it NOW
It does resemble the RSX.. but it is much better looking IMO. Plus, if it had a 4.0L 400 HP iVTEC V8, I think you would like it more
I think it might depend on the torque curve - electric motors have awesome torque at 0 RPM - what if that hybrid had it's torque curve flattened from 0 RPM to peak torque - how does it compare to the V8 now?
I have heard them have awesome torque at low RPM, but I have never seen a torque curve from an electric motor. That being said, if the Electic motor was only created an extra 50 HP, how much torque could it make? Anyone know?
The question seems pointless because there is no way to do that without a weight penalty, and a big one at that, not to mention higher costs and more junk to fail. And if the solution to that is hi-tech measures to save weight, then those same measures should be applied to the conventional layout.
Give me hydrogen, or methanol, cold fusion or cow pies for fuel, but please don't shove the silly hybrids down my throat. I promise to buy one for my people hauler when they get better but I won't buy one for a sports car. The NSX is easily 300 pounds overweight already.
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[This message has been edited by sjs (edited 21 August 2002).]
True, but people also forget that more RPM is equal to more displacement in terms of peak HP. The S2000 wouldn't be the highest HP/liter NA engine without the 9k redline. With the advances in variable everything these days I'd like to see a 10k NSX engine. Of course, more RPM means more wear/mile for lots of reciprocating parts, but I'll still take it.
[This message has been edited by sjs (edited 21 August 2002).]
THIS IS BOOTY!!!!
I hope to GOD that the new NSX doesn't go in the same direction as the rsx/celica. I swear I will loose all respect for Honda if they do that!!!!
I hope to GOD that the new NSX doesn't go in the same direction as the rsx/celica. I swear I will loose all respect for Honda if they do that!!!!
If they can make it do 0-60 in the low fours, and the quarter in the twelves, and make it handle as well as anything on the road, then I don't care how they power it or how much it weighs. I want it.
However, to meet those numbers, they WILL have to pay attention to weight. And I can assure you that Honda will NEVER come out with a car that isn't reliable. If there's one attribute that's even more important to the people at Honda than environmental impact, it's reliability.
IOW - sjs, your concerns about HOW they do it are misplaced. Whatever they do, it will NOT involve degradation in those areas you (and I) care about.
However, to meet those numbers, they WILL have to pay attention to weight. And I can assure you that Honda will NEVER come out with a car that isn't reliable. If there's one attribute that's even more important to the people at Honda than environmental impact, it's reliability.
IOW - sjs, your concerns about HOW they do it are misplaced. Whatever they do, it will NOT involve degradation in those areas you (and I) care about.
Ken,
I am confused on that one. Would you rather have a Ferrari 360 or a 550 for a track car? THe 360 is what, 800 poundsless? It does everything as well or better than a 550.
Wouldnt you rather have a lightweight NSX?
[This message has been edited by NetViper (edited 22 August 2002).]
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The concerns about how they do it are based on an understanding of the limitations of current hybrid technology. A hybrid may get great gas mileage during street driving, and it may have awesome short bursts of power, but the technology is not there right now to make an NSX-style car that can run flat out for extended periods and get any benefit from the electric side after the first few laps at the track.
Therefore, all the weight and complexity of the hybrid system is simply extra baggage at the track.
It is not a matter of clever Honda engineering that they may not be disclosing, it is a matter of well known battery technology issues.
The Dualnote/DNX concept is a good application for this technology because it is designed only as a street car, not one you would take to the track.
[This message has been edited by Lud (edited 22 August 2002).]
Therefore, all the weight and complexity of the hybrid system is simply extra baggage at the track.
It is not a matter of clever Honda engineering that they may not be disclosing, it is a matter of well known battery technology issues.
The Dualnote/DNX concept is a good application for this technology because it is designed only as a street car, not one you would take to the track.
[This message has been edited by Lud (edited 22 August 2002).]
I think you are all missing the point.
The point is this: If Honda's overall design objective is to make the car the greatest sports car in the world, then they will figure out how to do so while keeping the weight light. That means that it will do everything as well or better than a 360 (just to use NetViper's example).
If it's 800 pounds heavier, then they will fail their design objective.
Similarly, if the electric power doesn't help on the track, again, they will fail their design objectives.
BTW, the Civic Hybrid is only about one hundred pounds heavier than the Civic EX Sedan. Yes, they reduced weight in a few other areas, but those worrying about excessive weight MAY have little to fear. The "old days" of 1000+ pound battery assemblies are gone.
However, I know that the designers and engineers at Honda are as aware of the benefits of weight-saving as anyone here. But I also know that, unlike many of the nsxprime members, the Honda designers and engineers don't feel constrained by the way technologies have been implemented in the past. They are open-minded and may develop entirely new ways of overcoming the pitfalls of hybrid technology as it has been developed in the past.
The last thing the designers and engineers at Honda will do is create a sports car that is unsuitable for use at the track and/or performs poorly due to excessive weight.
Of course, another possibility is that the "new NSX" may turn out not to be a hybrid at all. Which is why I hesitate to engage in such conjecture. The assumptions that are made in such narrow-minded thinking as expressed here may turn out to be entirely false. And we won't know for sure what they're really cooking up until the soup is brought to the table.
In any case, Honda hasn't disappointed us in the past, and I don't expect them to "lay a turd", as some folks here seem to expect. Pleeeease. Give them some credit. I am eager to see what they introduce. If their aspirations for the "new NSX" are as high as they were last time around, we will all be impressed.
[This message has been edited by nsxtasy (edited 22 August 2002).]
The point is this: If Honda's overall design objective is to make the car the greatest sports car in the world, then they will figure out how to do so while keeping the weight light. That means that it will do everything as well or better than a 360 (just to use NetViper's example).
If it's 800 pounds heavier, then they will fail their design objective.
Similarly, if the electric power doesn't help on the track, again, they will fail their design objectives.
BTW, the Civic Hybrid is only about one hundred pounds heavier than the Civic EX Sedan. Yes, they reduced weight in a few other areas, but those worrying about excessive weight MAY have little to fear. The "old days" of 1000+ pound battery assemblies are gone.
However, I know that the designers and engineers at Honda are as aware of the benefits of weight-saving as anyone here. But I also know that, unlike many of the nsxprime members, the Honda designers and engineers don't feel constrained by the way technologies have been implemented in the past. They are open-minded and may develop entirely new ways of overcoming the pitfalls of hybrid technology as it has been developed in the past.
The last thing the designers and engineers at Honda will do is create a sports car that is unsuitable for use at the track and/or performs poorly due to excessive weight.
Of course, another possibility is that the "new NSX" may turn out not to be a hybrid at all. Which is why I hesitate to engage in such conjecture. The assumptions that are made in such narrow-minded thinking as expressed here may turn out to be entirely false. And we won't know for sure what they're really cooking up until the soup is brought to the table.
In any case, Honda hasn't disappointed us in the past, and I don't expect them to "lay a turd", as some folks here seem to expect. Pleeeease. Give them some credit. I am eager to see what they introduce. If their aspirations for the "new NSX" are as high as they were last time around, we will all be impressed.
[This message has been edited by nsxtasy (edited 22 August 2002).]
any info on this new toyota? ive seen references to it here and there on this board, but i cant find any info doing a google search on "toyota supersport" or "toyota super sport".
Hi every body!
I agree with you NSXtasy ( the REAL
1-This is the basic approach of the NSX: always going on weight reduction side before power increase one's
BUT we are actually reaching the reasonable limit in matter of lightness ( easy to gauge this: actually, the true limit for that kind of body layout is around the Mc Laren's weight of 1100kg, and I won't make you remember how they achieved it! You already know that it was a price is no object approach using thus lots and lots of carbon, exotic alloys, Al and Mg...
Is the new NSX will enters in the full carbon and Al honeycomb technologies?
Making again another first in production cars...
( I would seriously consider this option for an ultimate NSX-R model and staying with a carbon aluminum base model... )
2-Exactly, and I wonder how, today, engineers are designing products to be aftermarket upgraded ready. This is becoming a huge market and I suspect that every companies will invest in these area...
3-This is really surprising me at this point because there is always some effective spying and don't we got previous pictures of Murciélago, VW W12, Boxster during development?
I find that Honda is hiding very well its game.
For sure, guys at Honda have a HUGE challenge and there will be absolutely no room for deception.
Because we all know that the new gen NSX issue is worldwide under scope and long awaited.
This 2003 year coming could be the one where we will get a real taste of this.
4- I agree! And didn't they disappointed us with the new S2K?
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I would agree except for point 4.
The new Civic Si was pretty much a total let down to everyone that I have talked to. I realize that the new Si if a far cry from an NSX, but it appears to me that Honda totally blew it with that one. They HAD to know what the expectations were, and IMO they ignored them.
Im sure the new nsx will be great, but i sure hope it has a v8 and i hope it doesnt look like some of the pics ive been seeing. Why is it that Toyota can come out with a 450hp v-10 exotic, and all i hear is that honda cant make over 290 hp because of some hp agreement all the japanese manufactures have? Oh well just wanted to rant.
once again i ask, where is the info on this mega-toyota?? i cant find squat.
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