Anyone see the photo of the supposedly new 2004 NSX in Road and Track? What did you think. Im not to big on it.
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2004 NSX photo in Road and Track ( Supposedly)
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GOT PICS ??!!
Inquiring minds want to know.....
Inquiring minds want to know.....
that's Honda dual note concept
Oh, that computer-generated Dualnote lookalike from BESTCAR magazine a few months back? Bleck! I think we should take this R&T tidbit with half a grain of salt.
I saw it, the damn thing resembles an obese Mistibishi Eclipse (95-99). Looks completely hideous in my opinion. If they made this the next NSX, I would have to start buying Supras(God forbid). I wouldnt buy it if it bosted 500hp, since a car's beauty is my first consideration when it comes to exotics, then performance.
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I saw that also and I would agree. That thing looks TERRIBLE. I would NEVER buy it even if it had 800 HP and wiped the viper off the face of the earth.
As for it still being a hybrib. I think this is the WORST mistake honda could ever make. People that buys cars like this rarely care about gas milage.
"Lets see, I was going to get a Ferrari 360, but the NSX just had so much better gas mileage....." ... like that will EVER happen.
HONDA, wake up and throw in a 4.0 VTEC V8 with 500 HP!
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I've got news for you. Many people who buy cars like this don't care what kind of engine is in it, as long as it performs.
Come on guys, this is one of the ways they sell these mags and if you look below the shot they mostly say computor enhanced. Heck I buy b/c they are kinda neat to look at and i'm a car hog. The folks that publish this stuff know they get lots of attention from people like ourself. Just look @ the # of posts on the C & D article about the super car shoot out. As written by C & D its nothing more than verbal diarrhea, buy makes for good sales & discussion.
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Let's just hypothetically agree that this is the next NSX, without any performance #s, but just visually and cosmetically. How would you guys rate the "new" NSX?
For those who have not seen the pics, it looks very similar to what was published in the past from my recolection.
http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Media/images/200109-rt-2.jpg
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Ok, question, If a ferrari came out with a 360 with a v6 and an electrical engine in the front boot (for a combined 395 HP), how many people would buy that vs the V8? -- if performance was comparable?
I would take the V8 personally.
Also, where is this hybrid motor going to go? We already lack a lot of trunk space, and there sure isnt room in the front.
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Ok, question. If Ferrari came out with a 360 with a V6 and an electrical engine in the front boot, for a combined 495 hp, with no weight disadvantage, how many people would buy that vs a 395 hp V8, if performance were much higher for the hybrid? Hmmm???
See my point?
Ken,I see your point. However, in your example you are saying the V6 would put out the same output as the V8 and then the electric motor would supply another 100 HP. That is not realistic.
From what I have read, the NSX (dualnote) V6 would ONLY put out 350HP, and the electric would supply another 50. That is a far cry from the V6 putting out 395 HP and the electic supplying the other 100 HP in your example.
Of course, we are arguing on things that don't currently exist.... but you see my point?
My point is that people buy performance more than they buy technology.
They are rarely faced with the choice of two different technical solutions in the same vehicle with the same overall performance.
However, if the performance is there, without any downsides, they will buy it.
If the new NSX has 425 hp with hybrid motors and does the quarter mile in the mid twelves, a lot of people will love it.
If the new NSX has 310 hp with a conventional motor and does the quarter mile in the low to mid thirteens, nobody will care.
They are rarely faced with the choice of two different technical solutions in the same vehicle with the same overall performance.
However, if the performance is there, without any downsides, they will buy it.
If the new NSX has 425 hp with hybrid motors and does the quarter mile in the mid twelves, a lot of people will love it.
If the new NSX has 310 hp with a conventional motor and does the quarter mile in the low to mid thirteens, nobody will care.
I think with hybrid technology there is a big problem.
From what I have seen, the batteries recharge on idle from the gas motor. So if you were using an NSX hybrid on a track, once the batteries drain, you are stuck only with your v6 and 350HP vs the 495..or whatever and have the added weight of the batteries to lug around. That would not be appealing nomatter how fast it could do the 1/4 mile in.
Maybe that issue will not apply to the dual note design.. but I imagine it does.
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From what I have seen, the batteries recharge on idle from the gas motor. So if you were using an NSX hybrid on a track, once the batteries drain, you are stuck only with your v6 and 350HP vs the 495..or whatever and have the added weight of the batteries to lug around. That would not be appealing nomatter how fast it could do the 1/4 mile in.
Maybe that issue will not apply to the dual note design.. but I imagine it does.
[This message has been edited by NetViper (edited 19 August 2002).]
I think one view is that folks want a BIG improvement -- one that puts the car at par with the rest.
Mere "evolution of the breed" isn't enough -- this car should at minimum match the 360 Modena in capability, and exceed it in value.
Minimum parameters would include:
- 400 hp / 300 lb-ft torque -- minimum
- no heavier than the current car (ideally 2700-2800 lbs)
- 0-60 in low 4s or better; 1/4 mile in low 12s
- track-tuned suspension, but compliant enough for reasonable streetability (but NOT a GT car)
Less important:
- efficiency -- hp/liter is cool when explaining why an engine grenades
, but what really counts is torque/lb or hp/lb
- exotic materials -- if aluminum/ FRP / CF / titanium don't make it lighter / faster / better handling then it doesn't matter. 2500 lb steel over 3100 lb aluminum
- technical complexity that adds weight (degrades handling, possibly speed) without any meaningful benefit -- AWD, 4-wheel steering, etc
- HOW they do it (hybrid, W8, etc) is less important, although a race-derived V-10 seems to be a common trend (new supercar offerings from BMW, Toyota, Porsche and Audi)
Mere "evolution of the breed" isn't enough -- this car should at minimum match the 360 Modena in capability, and exceed it in value.
Minimum parameters would include:
- 400 hp / 300 lb-ft torque -- minimum
- no heavier than the current car (ideally 2700-2800 lbs)
- 0-60 in low 4s or better; 1/4 mile in low 12s
- track-tuned suspension, but compliant enough for reasonable streetability (but NOT a GT car)
Less important:
- efficiency -- hp/liter is cool when explaining why an engine grenades
- exotic materials -- if aluminum/ FRP / CF / titanium don't make it lighter / faster / better handling then it doesn't matter. 2500 lb steel over 3100 lb aluminum
- technical complexity that adds weight (degrades handling, possibly speed) without any meaningful benefit -- AWD, 4-wheel steering, etc
- HOW they do it (hybrid, W8, etc) is less important, although a race-derived V-10 seems to be a common trend (new supercar offerings from BMW, Toyota, Porsche and Audi)
I think torque is very important for the Next gen car. Hence the need for a 4.0L V8 or V10
As we saw with the Monster thread about C&D's article, even with a supercharger, the NSX was no match for displacement.
What I found interesting about the new ferrari ENZO (the ugliest car they have ever made)is the designers addressed the biggest complaint about the F50 from owners -- lack of torque. They said the ENZO has more torque on tap at 2000 RPM then the F50 did at peak. ( or something like that).
So, it is nice to know we are not the only supercar people complain about the lack of torque in!
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What I found interesting about the new ferrari ENZO (the ugliest car they have ever made)is the designers addressed the biggest complaint about the F50 from owners -- lack of torque. They said the ENZO has more torque on tap at 2000 RPM then the F50 did at peak. ( or something like that).
So, it is nice to know we are not the only supercar people complain about the lack of torque in!
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It looks like crap IMO. Unless you like the Eagle Talon/Eclipse look. The body style should incorporate lines that made the 1st gen standout. Good interior visibility and minimal frontal area w/length of current model at least. The attraction of the current NSX is its race track prototype lines and rear deck area somewhat like the S-7 Saleen, but just don't reduce the length. I guess i'm old school but I just can't get the images of some of the GTP cars out of my mind. Cojones; your comments are right one as far a HP/torque #s.
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That picture has been around, they just changed the color. Shame on them.
http://www4.ocn.ne.jp/~nsxnet/nsx/next/zassi_next.html
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Correction, they just changed the background, Best Car changed the color.
Here is a link to the best quality image of the last known picture to circulate the web:
http://www.arborwood.com/awforums/show-topic-1.php?start=1&fid=4709&taid=19&topid=35&ut=1027881300
Here is a link to the best quality image of the last known picture to circulate the web:
http://www.arborwood.com/awforums/show-topic-1.php?start=1&fid=4709&taid=19&topid=35&ut=1027881300
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