Dec. '02 issue of BestMotoring pitted the New NSX-R against European Supercars, comprised of BMW Z8, Porsche 996 S4, 996 GT2, Gemballa 996 GT500, Lamborghini Murcielago, and yes, the Ferrari F50! The results will surprise you......
2002 NSX-R vs. Supersonic Beasts!
- Thread starter Zanardi 50
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Ahhhh man! You spoiled all the suspense. At least I don't have to buy it now : )
Perhaps someone would like to provide some details.
Perhaps someone would like to provide some details.
ARG.. where can we find more on this???
Now now boys, I'll post the 411's as soon as I get to see it again. It takes more than just 2 viewings of the show for me to get the hang of the Japanese language.
So sit tight, relax in your NSX seats, and I'll be R-I-G-H-T back!
So sit tight, relax in your NSX seats, and I'll be R-I-G-H-T back!
where can I buy the video?
Go to any Japanese bookstore in your neck of the woods and ask for Dec.'02 Best Motoring Video, 15 th Anniversary Special Issue, appropriately titled: "The Battle of the Supersonic Beasts". If they don't stock it, ask them to order it for you. It may cost you a little extra $$, but well worth the ~$30.00 price + tax I paid for it.
OR, you can wait 'til BMI's English version comes out.
Happy V-Tec-ing!
P.S. I believe there's a Kinokuniya or Asahiya Bookstore in NYC somewhere. That's your best bet. I got mine at Asahiya in Little Tokyo, Los Angeles, still fresh off the boat.
Good luck, and enjoy the show!
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OR, you can wait 'til BMI's English version comes out.
Happy V-Tec-ing!
P.S. I believe there's a Kinokuniya or Asahiya Bookstore in NYC somewhere. That's your best bet. I got mine at Asahiya in Little Tokyo, Los Angeles, still fresh off the boat.
Good luck, and enjoy the show!
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There are no japanese stores anywhere near me, so why dont you just post the results. You don't need to learn japanese to read numbers.
I pre-ordered the video before it came out. The results are:
1)Ferrari F50
Best Time = 1'38"573
Total Time = 5'02"029
2)Porsche 911 GT2
Best Time = 1'38"938
Total Time = 5'03"880
3)Lamborghini Murcielago
Best Time = 1'39"834
Total Time = 5'08"307
4)Honda NSX-R
Best Time = 1'40"265
Total Time = 5'08"577
5)Gemballa Biturbo GT500
Best Time = 1'40"571
Total Time = 5'10"087
6)Porsche 911 Carrera 4S
Best Time = 1'44"141
Total Time = 5'23"166
http://www.bestmotoring.jp/backnumber/bm/in_2002_12.html
The NSX-R was leading the Murcielago almost all the way until the last straightaway where it overtook the NSX-R at the very last minute to capture 3rd place.
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2001 NSX-T
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1)Ferrari F50
Best Time = 1'38"573
Total Time = 5'02"029
2)Porsche 911 GT2
Best Time = 1'38"938
Total Time = 5'03"880
3)Lamborghini Murcielago
Best Time = 1'39"834
Total Time = 5'08"307
4)Honda NSX-R
Best Time = 1'40"265
Total Time = 5'08"577
5)Gemballa Biturbo GT500
Best Time = 1'40"571
Total Time = 5'10"087
6)Porsche 911 Carrera 4S
Best Time = 1'44"141
Total Time = 5'23"166
http://www.bestmotoring.jp/backnumber/bm/in_2002_12.html
The NSX-R was leading the Murcielago almost all the way until the last straightaway where it overtook the NSX-R at the very last minute to capture 3rd place.
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2001 NSX-T
- Bilstein Shocks
- '02 OEM Wheels
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Darn it Ryan, you let the cat out of the bag! You've spoiled my fun buddy! How could you! j/k
Anyway, thanks for the "hard" work so I don't have to. Now if we can get someone who've also seen the review to translate the drivers' evaluations into English on the handling characteristics of each cars involved......
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Anyway, thanks for the "hard" work so I don't have to. Now if we can get someone who've also seen the review to translate the drivers' evaluations into English on the handling characteristics of each cars involved......
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Judging from this race, It's safe to assume that the 280HP NSX-R can take on and beat the 405HP Z06 without breaking a sweat on this road circuit. As for the Porsche 996 Twin Turbo vs. the R, I say it's going to be a very close call, as evident in the battle between it and the 500HP Gemballa Biturbo 996. My bid goes to the NSX-R.
I wonder how the Modena would fare?
So, what's your take on this Ryan ? I'd like to hear your interpretations on the battle.
I wonder how the Modena would fare?
So, what's your take on this Ryan ? I'd like to hear your interpretations on the battle.
Or rather, at the vey last 2 sec. to capture 3rd. Sorry for the nit-picking Ryan.
Wow, the NSX does pretty good for such low horsepower. If it had a more powerful engine, the other cars would be in trouble!
Sounds like if the NSX has more juice it would have taken 3rd easily with maybe a shot at 2nd.
Sounds like if the NSX has more juice it would have taken 3rd easily with maybe a shot at 2nd.
Maybe this is one reason why Honda doesn't think the NSX needs a V8 or a major overhaul.
It would seem that a 350 hp V6 could be enough to compete.
-Jim
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1992 NSX Red/Blk 5 spd #0330
1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
1976 Honda Accord 5 spd, 3 door Blue/Blue
1977 Honda Accord - Custom - Under Construction
1986 Chevy Suburban
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It would seem that a 350 hp V6 could be enough to compete.
-Jim
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1992 NSX Red/Blk 5 spd #0330
1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
1976 Honda Accord 5 spd, 3 door Blue/Blue
1977 Honda Accord - Custom - Under Construction
1986 Chevy Suburban
http://homepage.mac.com/jimanders/PhotoAlbum1.html
Especially if they could reduce the weight of the standard version (or introduce a much lighter weight version here, e.g. NSX-R).
I believe the negative lift really helped the R achieved cornering superiority over all other cars in the test (maybe with the exception of the F50). That, and the new suspension tweaks, which virtually neutralized any remaining trace of understeer that is evident in our versions, aided cornering potential even further. But beware! The NSX-R now behaves with less civility and is more willing to let loose once it oversteps its cornering limits. K. Tsuchiya was more "alert" than ever behind the wheels of this new R, and so is Takuya Kurosawa (Gan-San jr.).
I say if it weren't for these enhancements that shaved some precious time off when cornering, the 280HP R would've ended up behind the Gemballa Porsche in 5th place, because it was simply getting hammered on the straights by just about every car in the test with the exception of the 911 Carrera 4S. Of course, we all know what we can do to make it go faster on the straightaways, and it's definitely much easier than making a car go faster on twisty bends....
Now if some aftermarket NSX supplier here in the U.S. can somehow get the aero package from Honda, or build it up from scratch, just like the OEM setup ....
So, where can I sign up?
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I say if it weren't for these enhancements that shaved some precious time off when cornering, the 280HP R would've ended up behind the Gemballa Porsche in 5th place, because it was simply getting hammered on the straights by just about every car in the test with the exception of the 911 Carrera 4S. Of course, we all know what we can do to make it go faster on the straightaways, and it's definitely much easier than making a car go faster on twisty bends....
Now if some aftermarket NSX supplier here in the U.S. can somehow get the aero package from Honda, or build it up from scratch, just like the OEM setup ....
So, where can I sign up?
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Netviper, that's an understatement to say the very least!
Give the R a healthy dose of +/- 120 more rwhp, and it WILL devour the GT2 to take the # 2 spot, no if's and but's !
So If the nsx-r was supercharged you all think the nsx would come in 2nd behind the f50? If so I want no no I need one....
I think the class of the NSX-R is all in the perfect balance between power/suspension/weight. Probably adding a supercharger would not improve the result a lot IMO.
I also think that the BMI drivers are more used to the NSX than to the Lambo, Porsche GT500 or F50. Any way a GRAT result for our loved car!
I also think that the BMI drivers are more used to the NSX than to the Lambo, Porsche GT500 or F50. Any way a GRAT result for our loved car!
Well, if the lambo ONLY beat the NSX at the end on the straight, then the extra power in the NSX would have got us a 3rd.
Will there be an ENGLISH version of this BMI coming out? Anyone know?
I think forced induction would have helped significantly.
I also think that BIGGER and BETTER brakes would have also helped.
-Jim
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1992 NSX Red/Blk 5 spd #0330
1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
1976 Honda Accord 5 spd, 3 door Blue/Blue
1977 Honda Accord - Custom - Under Construction
1986 Chevy Suburban
http://homepage.mac.com/jimanders/PhotoAlbum1.html
I also think that BIGGER and BETTER brakes would have also helped.
-Jim
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1992 NSX Red/Blk 5 spd #0330
1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
1976 Honda Accord 5 spd, 3 door Blue/Blue
1977 Honda Accord - Custom - Under Construction
1986 Chevy Suburban
http://homepage.mac.com/jimanders/PhotoAlbum1.html
The English versions of the Best Motoring videos come in the Best Motoring International (BMI) series. Six videos are currently available on the BMI website. Go there and you can also select option "6. Vote" to vote for your choice for future BMI videos. One of the choices is the NSX-R. Vote early and often.
As for the SC thing, I say we write to BM and have them do a re-match with the R engine tuned to ~400HP at this same course.
Since you haven't seen the race, this Sportland Sugo road circuit strongly favors cars with bigger HP and torque, as evident seen here: http://www.jgtc.net/index_en.htm (click on "round 3" on the left, then click on "info". You should be able to see the course layout at the center of the webpage. Pretty neat, huh?
As you can see, 2 very very long front and back stretches. Adding power WILL GREATLY IMPROVE NSX-R's lap time by ALOT. The course layout speaks for itself, plain and simple.
Maye a dumb question, but doesn anyone think the BM-drivers might be a little bit biased towards the Japanese car in these test?
My own very limited track-experience tells me that good driver in a slower and less powerful car can ofter beat an inexperienced driver in a good & fast car because of his lack of skill/experience/daring.
(Inexperienced as I am I have been overtaken on the track by 911's, E36 and E46 M3 and Impreza. That is, in the corners, not on the straights).
My own very limited track-experience tells me that good driver in a slower and less powerful car can ofter beat an inexperienced driver in a good & fast car because of his lack of skill/experience/daring.
(Inexperienced as I am I have been overtaken on the track by 911's, E36 and E46 M3 and Impreza. That is, in the corners, not on the straights).
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