Disrespect and bullying that's encouraged, promoted and Spread on NSXPrime.

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I thought this was the best car group, but with the implicit bias that I see on here, I'm stating to rethink that.

Yesterday one of our members said on a tread on this site after another member said he was looking at a 95: "I would look for a 91-94 or a 97+". The new member said is there a reason to avoid the 95-96" "They are heavier than the 91-94 due to the targa and they don't have the 3.2 motor to help offset the difference. The 95+ cars also do not have tunable ECUs like 91-94 (which won't bother most people), and have more emissions equipment, at least for the US models."

If on the off chance you want to tune your stock ECU, just buy an AEM of ProEFI, why don't you kill off the 97* for a non-tunable ECU

Same emissions equipment across for NSX first gens US models.

I read on here many times that the 95-96 is the worst NSX.

Is the 91-94 worse than the 97-2005 NSX ? Is 91-94 worse than the NC1? Shall I pick at your cars and make a case?

Now, were orphans according to this statement. "1995 and 1996 are a bit of orphan years"

After the attack, some say "there all good NSX's". Gas lighting at it's best.

If you have a 1995 - 1996 model you might as well not join this site, it's for exclusively for 91-94 and 97-05 model years, you will get crapped on every chance they get.

Even the Admins who should be unbiased, repeat and allow this behavior.

If you have a 1995 or 1996 NSX on NSXprime your a second class member. They'll say your car is crap over and over again and everyone will applaud and 2nd this behavior.

The 95-96 cars are only an extra 100lbs more than 91-94 and 20hp less than 97-05

If weight is such an issue We could just remove the battery, spare tire, engine cover, etc... but no, it's a terrible car an orphan.

The bias is because you are the majority, and have the loudest voice and dictate to us who has value and who doesn't, almost 6 thousand 91-94 vs 1200 95-96.

I bet anyone of you would trade your cars for a 2005 with the extra 100lbs, Targa with the little 20hp extra.

Maybe the 2002 2005 model years should have some bias over the 91-94 and call your cars crap or orphans.

The 2002-2005 are clearly better and sell for more. Note* they have the Targa and the 100lbs with 20hp more.

Seems like you need some group to dump on, it's repeated over and over most don't know why, they just say crap they heard form others who don't know jack, they'll say it's heavy. 100lbs, lol, these cars weight thousands of pounds.

If 20hp means that much to you get an NC1, Turbo or Super Charger.

The NSX is only 270 -290 horsepower, a Chrysler Pacifica comes with 287-hp. But your killing off 95 -96 for 20hp less than the 97+, A lot of other sports cars can kill us off for having 270 -290 hp we wouldn't like it.


Here's the truth.

The 1995 and 1996 NSX was upgraded and comes with:

Bigger and better rims than the previous yeas

Exhaust is lighter and the exhaust tips are much better.

Targa Top: This is a must have, very nice to ride with the top off. I'm not too lazy to take it off, if it's a sunny day I take it off, move two handles and it's off, Honda even made a special place to store it. if I want it back on take 1 min.

Power Steering: Must have, parking without it, is horrible.

Honda Changed gearing of 2nd gear in Manual Transmission: A little better than going up to 80 mph in 2nd.

Modified airflow to brakes to improve cooling

Throttle-By-Wire: standard on all modern cars.

OBD-II: It's very nice to put my reader on it and get codes instead of the morse code thing.

Limited Slip Differential Changes on manual transmission cars. Went from Torque Control Differential to a Torque Reactive Differential - when combined with Throttle-By-Wire, increases speeds out of a corner by 10%.

Bumper reinforcements were changed to extruded aluminum instead of the stamped steel

Approx. 100lbs heaver than 1991-1994 models due to reinforcements for Targa top,

How could a car, that looks better and comes with all this extra stuff be so bad because of 20 horsepower.

I'm ready for the attacks, to put me back in my 95 -96 place, they'll say, this site is not for you, sell your 95 -96 and buy a real NSX, or banned for not knowing my 95 -96 place in the world, etc... other 95-96 owners are scared and won't speak up, but I will, I know what I have and I don't take bullying.

I haven't mentioned the NC1's they are fast, beautiful cars, 0 to 60 in a little over 3 seconds, I wonder if they're worried about 100lbs and 20hp less.

Maybe they should look down on 91-94 cars, there clearly is a big difference in speed and comfort, etc..

I already know the take over the thread and change the subject to cover the truth up, trick, I'm expecting that too. I'll just re-post.
We need to address this issue, will you take the challenge and have a meaningful dialog regarding this wrong or will keep pretending a group is not getting bullied and marginalized.

Yours truly from the worst NSX ever created.
 
King Da Ka said:
I thought this was the best car group, but with the implicit bias that I see on here, I'm stating to rethink that.

Yesterday one of our members said on a tread on this site after another member said he was looking at a 95: "I would look for a 91-94 or a 97+". The new member said is there a reason to avoid the 95-96" "They are heavier than the 91-94 due to the targa and they don't have the 3.2 motor to help offset the difference. The 95+ cars also do not have tunable ECUs like 91-94 (which won't bother most people), and have more emissions equipment, at least for the US models."

If on the off chance you want to tune your stock ECU, just buy an AEM of ProEFI, why don't you kill off the 97* for a non-tunable ECU

Same emissions equipment across for NSX first gens US models.

I read on here many times that the 95-96 is the worst NSX.

Is the 91-94 worse than the 97-2005 NSX ? Is 91-94 worse than the NC1? Shall I pick at your cars and make a case?

Now, were orphans according to this statement. "1995 and 1996 are a bit of orphan years"

After the attack, some say "there all good NSX's". Gas lighting at it's best.

If you have a 1995 - 1996 model you might as well not join this site, it's for exclusively for 91-94 and 97-05 model years, you will get crapped on every chance they get.

Even the Admins who should be unbiased, repeat and allow this behavior.

If you have a 1995 or 1996 NSX on NSXprime your a second class member. They'll say your car is crap over and over again and everyone will applaud and 2nd this behavior.

The 95-96 cars are only an extra 100lbs more than 91-94 and 20hp less than 97-05

If weight is such an issue We could just remove the battery, spare tire, engine cover, etc... but no, it's a terrible car an orphan.

The bias is because you are the majority, and have the loudest voice and dictate to us who has value and who doesn't, almost 6 thousand 91-94 vs 1200 95-96.

I bet anyone of you would trade your cars for a 2005 with the extra 100lbs, Targa with the little 20hp extra.

Maybe the 2002 2005 model years should have some bias over the 91-94 and call your cars crap or orphans.

The 2002-2005 are clearly better and sell for more. Note* they have the Targa and the 100lbs with 20hp more.

Seems like you need some group to dump on, it's repeated over and over most don't know why, they just say crap they heard form others who don't know jack, they'll say it's heavy. 100lbs, lol, these cars weight thousands of pounds.

If 20hp means that much to you get an NC1, Turbo or Super Charger.

The NSX is only 270 -290 horsepower, a Chrysler Pacifica comes with 287-hp. But your killing off 95 -96 for 20hp less than the 97+, A lot of other sports cars can kill us off for having 270 -290 hp we wouldn't like it.


Here's the truth.

The 1995 and 1996 NSX was upgraded and comes with:

Bigger and better rims than the previous yeas

Exhaust is lighter and the exhaust tips are much better.

Targa Top: This is a must have, very nice to ride with the top off. I'm not too lazy to take it off, if it's a sunny day I take it off, move two handles and it's off, Honda even made a special place to store it. if I want it back on take 1 min.

Power Steering: Must have, parking without it, is horrible.

Honda Changed gearing of 2nd gear in Manual Transmission: A little better than going up to 80 mph in 2nd.

Modified airflow to brakes to improve cooling

Throttle-By-Wire: standard on all modern cars.

OBD-II: It's very nice to put my reader on it and get codes instead of the morse code thing.

Limited Slip Differential Changes on manual transmission cars. Went from Torque Control Differential to a Torque Reactive Differential - when combined with Throttle-By-Wire, increases speeds out of a corner by 10%.

Bumper reinforcements were changed to extruded aluminum instead of the stamped steel

Approx. 100lbs heaver than 1991-1994 models due to reinforcements for Targa top,

How could a car, that looks better and comes with all this extra stuff be so bad because of 20 horsepower.

I'm ready for the attacks, to put me back in my 95 -96 place, they'll say, this site is not for you, sell your 95 -96 and buy a real NSX, or banned for not knowing my 95 -96 place in the world, etc... other 95-96 owners are scared and won't speak up, but I will, I know what I have and I don't take bullying.

I haven't mentioned the NC1's they are fast, beautiful cars, 0 to 60 in a little over 3 seconds, I wonder if they're worried about 100lbs and 20hp less.

Maybe they should look down on 91-94 cars, there clearly is a big difference in speed and comfort, etc..

I already know the take over the thread and change the subject to cover the truth up, trick, I'm expecting that too. I'll just re-post.
We need to address this issue, will you take the challenge and have a meaningful dialog regarding this wrong or will keep pretending a group is not getting bullied and marginalized.

Yours truly from the worst NSX ever created.
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I hear you, and I’m sorry to see that you feel this way. I think it’s important to clarify that I don’t believe anyone here is trying to bully or marginalize ‘95-‘96 owners. Like any car community, people often share their opinions and preferences based on technical details or personal experiences, but I truly don’t think it’s meant to be personal or make anyone feel unwelcome.

The ’95-’96 NSX models have a lot of great features that you’ve rightly pointed out—Targa tops, updated gearing, power steering, and other enhancements that many owners appreciate. When people talk about differences between model years—like weight, ECU tunability, or performance—it’s usually just about helping potential buyers understand the trade-offs, not about putting down anyone’s car.

I hope you and other ’95-‘96 owners continue to share your knowledge and experiences—it’s good for everyone to hear all perspectives. At the end of the day, we’re all NSX enthusiasts, and every model has something special to offer.

Appreciate you bringing this up—always good to check ourselves and make sure everyone feels included.
 
This may be the best detail oriented and to the point highlight of the model year difference. I do agree with everything you said and would be just as happy with any year NSX; however, I did buy a 91 and yes, a big factor with my decision was lower purchase price (at the time) which I am not shy to admit. Like you said, if weight bothers you, there are many ways to offset that 100lbs without breaking the bank.

Don't leave us, you have a badass car nonetheless. Folks need to not have a negative bias toward 95'-96' model years and their owners.
 
While some members of the community have expressed a negative opinion of the 95-96 cars over the years, I haven't seen anything recently that would rise to the level of abuse that violates our Terms of Use.

NSX Prime is a car community and a web forum. Part of the nature of our forum is that members are free to express their opinions, though we typically ask that such opinions be limited to the NSX as a topic. Members are also free to disagree with those opinions. By and large, such discussions are usually conducted in a thoughtful and fact-based way. it's one of the things that makes our community great. Members here disagree all the time and that's fine. We recently had a long discussion regarding the NSX cooling system that, despite a strong disagreement between members, was handled in a grown-up way. That's what makes NSX Prime special.

We are not a social media app and there is no comments section here. We don't play the trolling game and don't care about who is more "offended" than whom. We don't care. All we care about is that there are thoughtful discussions occurring about the NSX, including disagreements and negative opinions. Indeed, we support a free exchange of opinions about the NSX. As long as it's done in a polite way, it is not only ok, but welcomed here. If someone violates our terms, we ban them. Period. It's why so many people are coming back to Prime after living in the hellscape of FB where everything devolves into a screaming match and everyone is offended by everything. This is a moderated private forum and members appreciate that.

To be clear, posting that the 1995 NSX is less desirable because it is heavier than the 1991-94 cars is not bullying and it certainly does not violate our terms of use. It is an opinion and it is welcome here. Similarly, posting that the prior poster is wrong and that the weight difference doesn't detract at all from the car is fine too. It is an opinion and it is welcome here. That's how NSX Prime has always been and that's how it will stay as long as I'm running things around here.
 
@King Da Ka Did you miss the part where I said "At the end of the day they are still good cars and the "drawbacks" are extremely minor."

Drawbacks is in quotes.

Implying that they aren't actually drawbacks and that it was just my preference.

I'm sorry my post offended you so much.
 
Lol... why don't you buy a 308/328/360 Ferrari ...go to one of their overnight regional car events and let us know how you felt sitting at the kids table in the "other" much smaller dining room..:ROFLMAO::cry:
 
RyanRA said:
I think it’s important to clarify that I don’t believe anyone here is trying to bully or marginalize ‘95-‘96 owners. Like any car community, people often share their opinions and preferences based on technical details or personal experiences, but I truly don’t think it’s meant to be personal or make anyone feel unwelcome.
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That's how I read it. it's just a matter of personal preference.
 
Think that was on my thread. Funny enough there's a similar analogue with R8 groups; namely that a lot of owners will say to avoid the rtronic transmission (robotised single clutch) like the plague (this is unfair especiallywhen you consider the best R8 made, the gen1 GT, is an rtronic car). I appreciated the input as to why to avoid the 95/96 as well as the defense of those models. It hasn't put me off those years, and if anything it's put me down a rabbit hole of investigating whether UKDM ECUs have the same limitations. End of the day it's all preferance and what matters is that you enjoy your car.
 
Ahhh so we are just bugs stuck in the grill...Now I understand...
 
Man…any NSX, even an auto NSX, is better than no NSX. I saw no bullying in the thread, but could see how it’s interpreted that way. But then again, I own a pop-up NA2 and joke about the fixed headlight people sometimes *shrug*. I now own a NC1, for which there was so much vociferous hate back at release that the NC1 forum was for a time, open only to proven NC1 owners. THAT was a rough time on the site, and there was actual bullying.

In any case, I’m sorry the OP here feels that way. Please don’t feel belittled. Thank you for the excellent explanation of the 95/96 specs.
 
I just learned a bunch about the differences in years of the NSX,
Always good to learn more

If you want to see endless discussion on a single topic, go to an S2000 group and learn about AP1 vs AP2, or why some colors are better than others. It is ridiculous, and somewhat normal in most car clubs.

Thanks.
 
I currently own 2 na1 Nsx’s and over the years have owned 2 additional na2’s and 1 additional na1. When these cars were new we could debate which year coupe was .02 second faster between all the na1s and na2s.
Now the reality is all of these cars are slow by modern standards and have low horsepower per modern standards. Yet they are all very fun to own and drive. My current daily driver has 835hp and does 0-60 in 3 seconds. When you consider this debating 95/96s versus other na1/na2 years is a joke.
 
Truly, there is no wrong answer with NSXs. Some of the early coupe guys wouldn't enjoy a 02-05 targa---too soft and don't have flip up lights. And maybe the the targa guys don't want to deal the lack of power steering and long geared 5 speed. There's no real perfect car for everyone, because each person is different.

The market has placed a higher dollar value on certain years, colors, and trims. But, in the end of the day, what does that really matter? To most other car enthusiasts, you've got a grail and are beyond blessed.
 
MotorMouth93 said:
@King Da Ka Did you miss the part where I said "At the end of the day they are still good cars and the "drawbacks" are extremely minor."

Drawbacks is in quotes.

Implying that they aren't actually drawbacks and that it was just my preference.

I'm sorry my post offended you so much.
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Some people are just easily offended. This is the same guy that made the last thread, "NSX Dirty Secret, No 91 thru 94 Owner Will Acknowledge" about the 95-96 model year. They just changed their name from Zero2.
K

Thread 'NSX Dirty Secret, No 91 thru 94 Owner Will Acknowledge'

I know I'll get flamed big time for this, but,.. I'll start with this, I have a 1996 Brooklands, for 5 years now. When I drove it I thought something was wrong, 2nd gear was supposed to go up to 80mph. All I hear and read is you have to get the JDM gears or it's not as fun and engaging, better yet get the 6th speed. So I though maybe my NSX has been upgraded before I purchased it. I started digging online and talking with NSX owners: everyone I spoke with and everything I read says JDM gears and 6th speed are the only gearboxes with short 2nd gear. I was also told the 1995 and 1996 NSX was...

In that thread I made this post:
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They got mad that I said gearing difference was only a few mph and said:

So in all your research you actually think Honda would shave 3 mph off 2nd gear and call it good, is the same company that made the legendary NSX,. Is that what you have us believe? I happen own a 96 NSX there's no way it can go to 78.2 mph in 2nd. Ask someone for a ride there's and find out for yourself.
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But like did they do any research? It was a only a 4.2% change.
 

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I'm sorry guys for laying all this on you , I'm sure most of you are really great people and NSX owners, but there somethings I have to address.

I'm fighting for the respect of the 95-96 NSX, I know it doesn't deserve being kicked aside as the worst NSX ever made.
I just wish NsxPrime could be a place where we respect each other and not crap on each other's car. Maybe jokingly.

When the negative commits and singling out of the 95-96 gets too bad or goes on for too long, I step away for awhile. I always hope someone will step up and shut it down, but no one ever does. Normally after they're finished trashing it, they say "all NSX are good", if that were true then they wouldn't have started with the crapping on the car to begin with.

When a lie or half truth is repeated over and over it becomes the truth, now it's the NsxPrime MANTRA.

For years as a 95-96 owner I was intimidated, I thought it's too big of a crowd to speak up. I have a 95-96 NSX, I don't have a voice because I have the worst of the worst.

But I realized If I keep quiet, it won't get better. We have to step up for ourselves. 95-96 owners you know how great your cars are, don't let anyone destroy your love or enjoyment of your NSX. Don't let other make you feel less about yourself or NSX. Fight back, speak up when the trashing begins, stop them and if the trashing continues trash they're cars back and just say it's your opinion like they do us and maybe one day we won't be orphans or the worst, we'll truly belong to the NSX commnity and be respected like the rest of the NSX groups.

Thank you all for your kind comments, it truly means a lot, and made me feel better about our community. I see now that there's hope.
 
Since I have owned a 96 for 29 years..If anyone else bullies you about the inferior 95-96 pos I will personally

 


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