Which is the best BBK upgrade if you plan to track your car?

[nsxnut]

Larry at Carbotec will re-pad your old backing plates with any of their compounds, just send them in...

Yep... That assumes you have old backing plates to start off with...:smile:

I ordered a new set from carbotech "the very last set" and than tossed an old set of pads "the golden plates" not knowing they were no longer available.

The Carbotech brake pads as well as a delivery from Pegasus Racing never made it to my address... "lost in the mail!"

Pegasus Racing sent me a new shipment over night no questions asked there dime. UPS eventually paid a claim to both but no more pads...
This is how it all started.

Oh... I now try and order stuff from Pegusus if I can!

 

[TurboLexus]

Looks like shop is in Russia... good luck.

The wall comes down and we get Titanium brakes.

 

[docjohn]

As I remember the advantage of the tarox kits that got us excited way back was how low profile the calliper was ,ie more wheel fitments,but the number of pistons:6-8 struck me as overkill.

 

[nsxnut]

The wall comes down and we get Titanium brakes.

Im reasonably sure the pistons in my tarox calipers are titanium.. The rotors are not...

 

[nsxnut]

As I remember the advantage of the tarox kits that got us excited way back was how low profile the calliper was ,ie more wheel fitments

I went for the tarox since it fit under my stock 16/17's.

number of pistons:6-8 struck me as overkill.

I agree. The pistons are smaller on the calipers that have more.
I think this may be more marketing than science?

Later,
Don

 

[TURBO2GO]

I went for the tarox since it fit under my stock 16/17's.


I agree. The pistons are smaller on the calipers that have more.
I think this may be more marketing than science?

Later,
Don

I asked this same question from Renntech about AMG's 8 piston calipers. From what I was told, the pressure on pads is more evenly distributed with more pistons. Apperently that makes a difference.

 

[NSXGMS]

Remember you Always get what you pay for and this is true with all NSX parts even more with brakes.

Steve

Is that why Stoptech and Brembo offer the exact same quality and performance but Stoptech is 1/3+ cheaper?

 

[nsxnut]

I asked this same question from Renntech about AMG's 8 piston calipers. From what I was told, the pressure on pads is more evenly distributed with more pistons. Apperently that makes a difference.

Yea I heard this as well... The rears calipers on my car are 6 piston, 3 each side.
The fronts are 10 piston. I believe they cover the same liner area though "pressure along the length of the pad".

The 10's have more piston area then the rears, this helps with the bias.
I believe 6 piston calipers with a larger bore should accomplish the same thing.

What ever you do make sure the bias is correct. If not your may not experence fade but your stoping distances will degraed.

Tire size and compound will also effect your bias.

Oh well.

 

[SMGNSX]

Is that why Stoptech and Brembo offer the exact same quality and performance but Stoptech is 1/3+ cheaper?

When every one says Brembo they are talking about the regular lotus style calipers, I am talking about the Brembo Indy Billet calipers and they are 1500.00 ea and they are hard to get, the Lotus style are like 3000.00 a set with rotors dime a dozen and you get what you pay for.

Steve

 

[SMGNSX]

You're an advertiser's/marketer's wet dream.

I guess the bottom line is you can't afford the Brembo Indy Billet calipers at 1500.00ea + the brackets and rotors thats why the comptech kit is 9900.00 and they are the ONLY place to get the indy stuff for the NSX.

Steve

 

[Understudy]

I guess the bottom line is you can't afford the Brembo Indy Billet calipers at 1500.00ea + the brackets and rotors thats why the comptech kit is 9900.00 and they are the ONLY place to get the indy stuff for the NSX.

Steve

It appears that ScienceofSpeed also offers the "Indy" caliper too, so Comptech isn't the ONLY place: http://www.scienceofspeed.com/products/braking_performance_parts/NSX/ScienceofSpeed/Brembo_Indy/

Although both are great vendors and I would have confidence buying from either. I didn't check the sets out completely as its too early in the morning for me to bother, but they appear to use the same major components. FWIW, I too have also heard from reliable sources that the Stoptech is pretty much an equal of the Brembo "Indy", but with even better balance.

 

[|Adeel]

I guess the bottom line is you can't afford the Brembo Indy Billet calipers at 1500.00ea + the brackets and rotors thats why the comptech kit is 9900.00 and they are the ONLY place to get the indy stuff for the NSX.

Steve

There was a groupbuy recently in which those brakes were offered for couple of thousand $ less than Comptech price (I wasn't allowed to discuss the price offered ont he, got a PM with by the GP starter, so I can't say what the exact price was). So there are more vendors than Comptech alone.

 

[nsxtasy]

This eliminated the fade problem with the stock setup and such

I've had absolutely no problems with fade with the stock calipers and various pads I've used over the years (stock, Cobalt Friction GT Sport, Carbotech Panther Plus, Hawk HP Plus, RM Racing, Endless CC-X, Porterfield R4S). Sure, most of the pads exhibit "green pad syndrome" and fade the first time they get hot on the track, but after a session or two, no fade whatsoever for the remaining life of the pad. And I'm not exactly easy on the equipment.

Based on over 11K actual track miles...

 

[nsxnut]

I've had absolutely no problems with fade with the stock calipers and various pads I've used over the years (stock, Cobalt Friction GT Sport, Carbotech Panther Plus, Hawk HP Plus, RM Racing, Endless CC-X, Porterfield R4S). Sure, most of the pads exhibit "green pad syndrome" and fade the first time they get hot on the track, but after a session or two, no fade whatsoever for the remaining life of the pad. And I'm not exactly easy on the equipment.

Obviously you need to go faster:smile:

Based on over 11K actual track miles...

Thats all...:tongue: You need to work on that.:smile:

 

[Hugh]

I've had absolutely no problems with fade with the stock calipers and various pads I've used over the years

Are you using any type of cooling "device"? I'm actually leaning towards your side of the argument since the major selling point for a BBK is that they won't fade. If you look at any review of a car with a BBK you'll see that stopping distances are not greatly improved over the stock brakes (on cars that have good brakes to begin with). It's usually within a foot or two at any given speed but might increase to a 3 or 4 foot advantage at high speeds and only when the stock setup is overheated.

The stock calipers with the right pads, fluid, stainless lines and cooling shouldn't really present a fading problem. Driver skill has a lot to do with it too. Better drivers use their brakes less and I suspect that's also a reason why you don't experience fade issues.

 

[nsxtasy]

Are you using any type of cooling "device"?

Yes, and I agree it makes a difference. I am using 2.5-inch cooling ducts directing air from the lower front air dam, above the core support alongside the lower corners of the radiator, to flanges that were welded along holes cut in the splash shields. You can get a 12-foot length of high-temperature ducting from Pegasus for $87. Add a couple of NACA inlet ducts for $36 and it's still a whole lot less money than any big brake kit.

Obviously you need to go faster

Better drivers use their brakes less and I suspect that's also a reason why you don't experience fade issues.

Obviously you need to brake less, Don.

 

[Litespeeds]

Yes, and I agree it makes a difference. I am using 2.5-inch cooling ducts directing air from the lower front air dam, above the core support alongside the lower corners of the radiator, to flanges that were welded along holes cut in the splash shields. You can get a 12-foot length of high-temperature ducting from Pegasus for $87. Add a couple of NACA inlet ducts for $36 and it's still a whole lot less money than any big brake kit.

I think I am going to go the route that you did with the brake cooling ducts and the Panther Plus pads. Do I still need the Dali brake deflectors if I am going to do the ducting?

 

[nsxnut]

Yes, and I agree it makes a difference. I am using 2.5-inch cooling ducts directing air from the lower front air dam, above the core support alongside the lower corners of the radiator, to flanges that were welded along holes cut in the splash shields. You can get a 12-foot length of high-temperature ducting from Pegasus for $87. Add a couple of NACA inlet ducts for $36 and it's still a whole lot less money than any big brake kit.

Obviously you need to brake less, Don.

It also depends on the track. Some are harder than others on breaks.
Funny you mentioned the ducting. I was working on that this morning on my car... And yes I bought the stuff from Pegasus!

Later,
Don

 

[docjohn]

Ken has his ducting going into the back of the heat shield.I use ducts ziptied to the dali deflectors.Ken uses stock calipers I had my heat shields removed as I have a bbk up front.The ducts blowing air onto the deflector therefore is not too selective as to what it is cooling but my rotors run about about 125deg hotter if I block the vents.

 

[nsxnut]

I havn't finished the job yet. I yanked the passenger side ac and was trying to figure where I fit the hose without the tire rubbing. I had to stop and go to work. I'm pritty sure I won't be using the air deflectors any more.
Heat sheilds... What heat sheilds... They have been gone for some time now.

I bought 3" hose..

Later,
Don

 

[Hrant]

Ken has his ducting going into the back of the heat shield.I use ducts ziptied to the dali deflectors.Ken uses stock calipers I had my heat shields removed as I have a bbk up front.The ducts blowing air onto the deflector therefore is not too selective as to what it is cooling but my rotors run about about 125deg hotter if I block the vents.

Any pics, pretty please :wink:

 

[docjohn]

I'll look into it,but beware I'm one of the picture resizing/posting challenged!

 

[ncdogdoc]

I'll look into it,but beware I'm one of the picture resizing/posting challenged!

Let your kid do it, he is probably more computer literate already

 

[ncdogdoc]

Floating hat rotors and good pads/fluid.

Buy a set of 97+ calipers and Dali floating rotors.

The aluminum hats make all the difference. Smaller rotor surface, larger openings for the cooling air. My floating hats with a stock 92 setup ran 100 to 200 degrees cooler than a solid rear, so I upgraded to floating rears.

Plus it is really cool to hear your rotors making all sorts of evil metal clanking noises as the cool down and the hats/rotors contract at different rates

BTW Stoptech has two piece front rotors and Science of Speed sells, or use to sell the Project Mu two piece front and rears.

 

[docjohn]

Let your kid do it, he is probably more computer literate already

Gary,,,your patients and my 19 mo are certainly far better at this than I!!!