What is BLACKBERRY planning?

[sahtt]

I think part of this Steve is of the market for expensive phones, what share does AAPL have? All their phones - without exception - are on the high end if not right at the top. Samsung, Nokia, etc. all make cheaper phones as well as high end ones. Of the high end share, the only one AAPL competes in even with the addition of the 5c, it's probably 33%+ of overall market share. I, like you, know of all my aquaintences at least half have iphones.

I actually wish AAPL only had a 13% market share where it competes because then there would be tremendous growth opportunity. Unless AAPL sells smartphones to compete against all the competitor's products it doesn't make a difference what their "overall" market share is (IMO). As I've f said before, I am no AAPL fanboy, I bought my first AAPL product ever about a year ago (if you don't count the stock :smile.

 

[jond]

I'm actually pretty sure these studies are conducted OS to OS rather than browser to browser. My original title was a slight misnomer. That being said, even if it was browser vs. browser and android took the entire "other" column, it'd still be roughly 35% vs. 65%.

It is interesting. I tend to side with IDC when it comes to trust of stats.
I'm curious what's behind the browser stats though.
It look like they're only looking at BlackFriday shopping by browser.
I know more women own iPhones and more men own Android, and women like to shop.....
Is it that simple?

I actually wish AAPL only had a 13% market share where it competes because then there would be tremendous growth opportunity.

The only problem is it's going the wrong direction.
IDC reports Apple had 16% market in 2012, 13% in 2013.
If they keep losing 3% a year, they're 3 years away from having the same market share as Blackberry...

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[sahtt]

Again I don't know if it's that simple (it might be). Did they loose market share in the segments they compete in or did the overall smartphone market grow faster than the high end market? I don't know but it is interesting to dig into. None of that even matters to me, however, from a shareholder's POV. AAPL needs to sell a lot of phones with good margins. If they do that, regardless of their marketshare, they will make money and the stock will increase over time. They just sold nearly 10 million of them and the revenue from those phones alone put the company in the S&P 500. The iphone line alone is worth more than all of MSFT. This company makes a lot of money; whether it still is 10 years from now is anyone's guess and I am not betting for or against them in that timeline.

 

[NSXrebel]

The launch was delayed because a leaked android version caused network problems, apparently enough that they had to ban that leak. Hopefully bbm will be out soon. There has already been a lot of demand. I think it will be successful. I love bbm. iMessage, not so much.

that just leads me to believe they weren't ready for the traffic. Relatively speaking, not many people would have gotten the leaked version. I think BBM would have had worse network problems had they had an actual release.

Again I don't know if it's that simple (it might be). Did they loose market share in the segments they compete in or did the overall smartphone market grow faster than the high end market? I don't know but it is interesting to dig into. None of that even matters to me, however, from a shareholder's POV. AAPL needs to sell a lot of phones with good margins. If they do that, regardless of their marketshare, they will make money and the stock will increase over time. They just sold nearly 10 million of them and the revenue from those phones alone put the company in the S&P 500. The iphone line alone is worth more than all of MSFT. This company makes a lot of money; whether it still is 10 years from now is anyone's guess and I am not betting for or against them in that timeline.

the overall market has grown. I mean, just look at the numbers. Apple keeps selling more iPhones every year than the previous. 9 million iPhones over the launch weekend vs 5 million last year.

 

[NetViper]

that just leads me to believe they weren't ready for the traffic. Relatively speaking, not many people would have gotten the leaked version. I think BBM would have had worse network problems had they had an actual release.


the overall market has grown. I mean, just look at the numbers. Apple keeps selling more iPhones every year than the previous. 9 million iPhones over the launch weekend vs 5 million last year.

You could be right, but we will never know.

Apple is selling more iphone, but android is selling WAY more phones. 95% of them might be total crap, but they count. IE. My son has an android. Samsung double take or something. It is a total POS. He can't even text on it because it says there is no space. Nobody at ATT could even fix it. So Android is killing Apple in marketshare, but the quality of the products are FAR FAR less. I woudl guess honestly at least 90% of android phones on the market will barely run a top tier game.

 

[phryxis]

the overall market has grown. I mean, just look at the numbers. Apple keeps selling more iPhones every year than the previous. 9 million iPhones over the launch weekend vs 5 million last year.

To be fair, they're including the 5s and 5c in the 9mil number, whereas last year's 5mil number was just the 5. Still crazy impressive.