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Unbelievable...tell us what you really think.

Imagine what Ferrari vendors say about Ferrari owners....:eek:
 
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WELL! Never in all my days!
 
Fire Ben?!??! man.... as a user already said... come back to reality zone...

that would be a very immature decision by Peter...

the power anyone have in life should be applied with justice, not arrogantly. So Peter should not use his power to fire Ben, but to clarify things with him...

we are all grown ups...no need to slap anyone in the face with a action like that
 
This whole thing is quite ridiculous, and I think we all know it.

No one is getting fired. :rolleyes:

Most of the people that continue to flame away and blow this way out of proportion have never purchased from Downforce, therefore have no prior experience with me or the company.

Those who have supported me with posts, PM's, emails, and phone calls, I just want to say thank you. However, I would just refrain from any more posts on this thread. Have more class and just let it go. We all have more important things to deal with today. At least I do.
 
Im pretty surprised about this thread myself, but as stated by ben he thoroughly and publicly apologized. Lets let bygones be bygones and move forward. I really hope this will not hinder any decisions made in purchasing our products.

Thank You Guys for all your business and support.




RayDF
 
clr1024 said:
Aren't you doing the same thing by your above comment, silverstone already posted why he looks, I do hte same as I think its an interesting subject, but you are attacking him saying he has no life.:rolleyes:

In any case it was said and I do find it interesting that a vendor representative would say what he did about all NSX owners. However based on what Peter wrote and the time line given, I now understand where he may of been coming from. The sad thing is he made a broad generalization and it doesn't apply to most people here...some I am sure it still does, but the same can be said about any group of car enthusiasts. As his time at DF has increased, I would like to think he now thinks differently about most owners. Hopefully its because he truley thinks that and not because he is thinking about his wallet. I am sure some people will still buy there and some won't, based on his comments. For me because of his apology and the time frame given by peter I would still consider them as a vendor.

I think its fair to say he had some bad run ins with some bad NSX owners, before he met some good ones and made a horrible generalization. Many people do this, the only thing that burned him was that it was written on a public forum. You live and you learn.

As for firing him, that seems a bit excessive. Based on other users responses he generally seems to care about doing his job well and supporting the customer.
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LOLZ I didnt know I was digging around and posting old threads from another forum about other people who have never done me wrong? Get a better grip on the situation at hand, don't make this about me. I was just simply stating my 2 cents on why this drama for ya mama even started.
 
Ski_Banker said:
Ok, here are my thoughts. I have edited my original post.

First, I apologize to Peter for posting this. Had I known that BenDF was simply a wreckless employee, and not the owner or GM, as I had assumed, I would not have posted this. I would, most definitely, have just PM'd Peter.

Second, this is entirely an issue between Ben and his boss. The boss has every right to know if one of its employees is publicly insulting that businesses entire NSX customer base. Is this an isolated incident of a bad temper and terrible judgment on Ben's part? Only Peter really knows. From the way those asinine comments were written, I personally don't think so. It's Peter's business and his call on how best to handle the situation with this employee.

Third, I do personally care what others in the industry say about the NSX, because it reflects on the tight-knit NSX community as a whole. So, for me, it is not simply a matter of "good product, good service but who cares if the guy flips the bird at NSX owners." Do you support Acura dealerships where service managers belittle your car?

So, again, Peter - I apologize for making public an issue that should have been handled privately. I hope NSX owners will realize that this is an employee-related issue, and not at all a reflection on your products or services.
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ski,

i understand what you're saying, but disagree: i think anytime a representative of a company openly flames their target market, the target market deserves to be made aware of that employee or company's position and do business with that employee or company as they see fit.
 
queenlives said:
i think anytime a representative of a company openly flames their target market, the target market deserves to be made aware of that employee or company's position and do business with that employee or company as they see fit.
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queenlives said:
ski,

i understand what you're saying, but disagree: i think anytime a representative of a company openly flames their target market, the target market deserves to be made aware of that employee or company's position and do business with that employee or company as they see fit.
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I hear you, but in this case, the employee wasn't insulting us (directly) and certainly wasn't speaking on behalf of the Company. Put yourself in Peter's shoes - should he suffer reduced business simply because *I* made this an issue? No, not really. He does have a responsibility for the actions of his employees, but I'm pretty sure he was unaware of these statements.

That being said, assuming Ben wasn't integral to the organization, I know what I would do if it were my business....
 
Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but names will never "HURT" me.

I think that those of you who are offended by Ben's actions need to losen your neck tie, as there is not enough oxygen getting to your brain.

Stop being so sensitive. Remember were Men, in a Mans World, so act like one. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Please Moderator close this thread already.
 
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MikeC_587 said:
Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but names will never "HURT" me.

I think that those of you who are offended by Ben's actions need to losen your neck tie, as there is not enough oxygen getting to your brain.

Stop being so sensitive. Remember were Men, in Mans World, so act like one. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Please Moderator close this thread already.
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+1
 
Now, if he had called us Nappy-Headed Hos, that would have been the end of him! Pricks etc., he can keep his job. :wink:
 
the sad reality IN LIFE is that cetain things cross the line, should never be said and if they are, they don't just dissapear when you apologize (even if you mean it).

These statements speak to a persons character and being in sales myself for the last 20 years I can't imagine every saying something like this about my customers. Where i work, If such a situation were to occur the person would surely be fired.

I hope Ben and downforce understand that rebuilding character takes time, and this is not something that just goes away in a couple days.

I for one would never spend my money on a company that has such a regard for its livelyhood. (it's customers), I would instead choose to support another vendor even if i have to spend more $.
 
socalx said:
the sad reality IN LIFE is that cetain things cross the line, should never be said and if they are, they don't just dissapear when you apologize (even if you mean it).

These statements speak to a persons character and being in sales myself for the last 20 years I can't imagine every saying something like this about my customers. Where i work, If such a situation were to occur the person would surely be fired.

I hope Ben and downforce understand that rebuilding character takes time, and this is not something that just goes away in a couple days.

I for one would never spend my money on a company that has such a regard for its livelyhood. (it's customers), I would instead choose to support another vendor even if i have to spend more $.
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+1 (except for the part about being in sales)

J
 
Ski_Banker said:
I hear you, but in this case, the employee wasn't insulting us (directly) and certainly wasn't speaking on behalf of the Company. Put yourself in Peter's shoes - should he suffer reduced business simply because *I* made this an issue? No, not really. He does have a responsibility for the actions of his employees, but I'm pretty sure he was unaware of these statements.

That being said, assuming Ben wasn't integral to the organization, I know what I would do if it were my business....
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understood.

since you asked, i think it's entirely normal for a business (and its owner) to be impacted + / - for the actions of its employees. based on feedback, it seems likely that some folks will continue buying from the employee / vendor as they have in the past while others will take their business elsewhere.
 
I wonder what the BMW guys now think about us?
Could someone post there (bmw forum) and get this straighten out :smile:
 
I'm not offended, i've known i'm a prick for a long time :rolleyes: .
As Ben alluded to, it's funny how some guys are all 'I was about to spend a ton w/ Downforce and now i'm not'.....whatever. Peter made me laugh w/ that comment about taking food from his kids mouths, that was cute, i'm sure you've got nothing to worry about.
 
Interesting, I havent been on Prime that much recently and only just stumbled upon this thread. The original poster edited his original post so I really dont know what was said but I got the general idea.

I have a DF NSX-R wing, CF plate surround for rear bumper, carbon door sills and some other stuff and they have always been a pleasure to deal with. They even sent stuff cross country to sponser NSX-STOCK at my dealership.

The only thing I gathered from this post is that he is human, said something he shouldn't have and apologized. Life goes on:wink: Ill still continue to order from them. For a dated supercar that is no-longer produced, we need all the vendor support we can get.
 

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