Thoughts on NASA in touch with Aliens for years?

[ChopsJazz]

The countdown is nearing an end! :wink:

 

[Bear]

Again, the reoccurring misconception of the skeptics like me is that I:

1) Definitively think aliens don’t exist. In face I think most of us have agreed that there is a high likely hood of alien life forms simply based on the sheer odds and percentages.
2) Definitively think there is no evidence of aliens on this planet. There might be there might not, but to say one way or another definitely is folly.

What I've been saying all along is:

1) In order to draw definitive conclusions and statements you must follow a consistent path of scientific analysis and critical thinking in order to draw these conclusions.
2) Using this consistent path of scientific analysis and critical thinking, there isn’t enough data to say definitively that there is proof that aliens have visited our planet. To say that they definitively have would be as foolish to say they definitively haven’t.
3) Because of a lack of this data and evidence, a proper scientific mind would not rush to conclusions regarding whether aliens have visited the planet or not, but rather reserve judgment on that issue until further evidence reveals itself.
4) However, in the meantime, use current scientific understanding to draw the most simplest conclusion, which at this time does not support the idea of aliens having visited the plant.
5) Because if one is to accept this leap of faith and base conclusions based on incomplete scientific analysis, then you open Pandora’s Box of any infinite number of explanations all with equally valid arguments.

Please view the following videos on Critical Thinking and Open Mindedness, which address any claim, whether they are about god(s), aliens, leprechauns etc.

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The bottom line is when you are convinced of something in your own belief structure, you actually become close minded, even if you are trying to convince other people that they are being close minded themselves. It is what overly religious people do, and what those who are convinced aliens have visited this planet already are doing. The only equalizer is to take a purely open scientific mind and use current understanding with the willingness to continue to adapt that belief as more data arrives. And currently there is no more data to suggest aliens have visited this planet as there is that leprechauns and dragons existed. As I mentioned before, if you don’t, then you open up the universe (pun intended) to any number of explanations and rationales to explain any unknown event, structure or device.

For example, not one person has addressed or refuted my idea that a magical elixir, developed by the ancient Egyptians, increased the strength and intelligence tenfold. However, little did they know, that it caused premature death and hence, they were able to build structures that seemed way beyond their capacity and yet they all mysteriously disappeared. Why is this theory not as valid as aliens? After all the evidence is still there in front of you, giant pyramids, advanced technology, the appearance of superhuman strength. Without proper critical thinking and scientific analysis, this also becomes a perfectly acceptable explanation.

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[Vega$ NSX]

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[enkrypt3d]

Again, the reoccurring misconception of the skeptics like me is that I:

1) Definitively think aliens don’t exist. In face I think most of us have agreed that there is a high likely hood of alien life forms simply based on the sheer odds and percentages.
2) Definitively think there is no evidence of aliens on this planet. There might be there might not, but to say one way or another definitely is folly.

What I've been saying all along is:

1) In order to draw definitive conclusions and statements you must follow a consistent path of scientific analysis and critical thinking in order to draw these conclusions.
2) Using this consistent path of scientific analysis and critical thinking, there isn’t enough data to say definitively that there is proof that aliens have visited our planet. To say that they definitively have would be as foolish to say they definitively haven’t.
3) Because of a lack of this data and evidence, a proper scientific mind would not rush to conclusions regarding whether aliens have visited the planet or not, but rather reserve judgment on that issue until further evidence reveals itself.
4) However, in the meantime, use current scientific understanding to draw the most simplest conclusion, which at this time does not support the idea of aliens having visited the plant.
5) Because if one is to accept this leap of faith and base conclusions based on incomplete scientific analysis, then you open Pandora’s Box of any infinite number of explanations all with equally valid arguments.

Please view the following videos on Critical Thinking and Open Mindedness, which address any claim, whether they are about god(s), aliens, leprechauns etc.

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The bottom line is when you are convinced of something in your own belief structure, you actually become close minded, even if you are trying to convince other people that they are being close minded themselves. It is what overly religious people do, and what those who are convinced aliens have visited this planet already are doing. The only equalizer is to take a purely open scientific mind and use current understanding with the willingness to continue to adapt that belief as more data arrives. And currently there is no more data to suggest aliens have visited this planet as there is that leprechauns and dragons existed. As I mentioned before, if you don’t, then you open up the universe (pun intended) to any number of explanations and rationales to explain any unknown event, structure or device.

For example, not one person has addressed or refuted my idea that a magical elixir, developed by the ancient Egyptians, increased the strength and intelligence tenfold. However, little did they know, that it caused premature death and hence, they were able to build structures that seemed way beyond their capacity and yet they all mysteriously disappeared. Why is this theory not as valid as aliens? After all the evidence is still there in front of you, giant pyramids, advanced technology, the appearance of superhuman strength. Without proper critical thinking and scientific analysis, this also becomes a perfectly acceptable explanation.

Thanks for the education lesson....... :wink:

This is to infer that I am not thinking critically (I certainly am) I'm an engineer and its a requirement of my job to find the best solution first and I have to live with my decisions in business and life... I can not speak for anyone else in this thread though only myself.

I know you can compare the belief in aliens to leprechauns because it seems so outrageous..... to think that the probability for intelligent life outside of our own earth is more likely the case than the entire Universe being empty... save for gas and dust and the like.

http://wn.com/REMOVAL_OF_AN_ALIEN_IMPLANT

Check this video out (The first video in the playlist) - this defies any medical explanation... where did these implants come from? I'm only posing the questions I do not pretend to know where these come from but if they do come from aliens, then this is all the proof we need... of course I'm sure everyone here will be quick to dismiss it in someway or another as always as if it never existed in the first place... denial is much easier than acceptance right?

 

[Vega$ NSX]

Thanks for the education lesson....... :wink:

This is to infer that I am not thinking critically (I certainly am) I'm an engineer and its a requirement of my job to find the best solution first and I have to live with my decisions in business and life... I can not speak for anyone else in this thread though only myself.

I know you can compare the belief in aliens to leprechauns because it seems so outrageous..... to think that the probability for intelligent life outside of our own earth is more likely the case than the entire Universe being empty... save for gas and dust and the like.

http://wn.com/REMOVAL_OF_AN_ALIEN_IMPLANT

Check this video out (The first video in the playlist) - this defies any medical explanation... where did these implants come from? I'm only posing the questions I do not pretend to know where these come from but if they do come from aliens, then this is all the proof we need... of course I'm sure everyone here will be quick to dismiss it in someway or another as always as if it never existed in the first place... denial is much easier than acceptance right?

Well again, I'm not doubting that there is a possibility that there is intelligent life out there. Nor am I doubting that there are unexplainable things. But that's just that: they are unexplainable. If you go assigning leaps of faith and assumptions to these unexplainable things then any number of explanations are equally viable.

Before we understood what gravity was, we couldn't explain what caused apples to fall from trees. Now, it could have been a magical force of an apple spirit god or it could have been the magical force of gravity. Both at the time were equally valid explanations, however, if I were living at that time I wouldn't have definitively said it was an apple spirit god, nor a force called gravity. I would have said "I don't know" and waited until something proved one theory over the other. The point being, based on the knowledge base available at the time, scientific thinking would have said there is not enough understanding to know what caused the apple to fall.

The problem with alien believers is that you take only one possible theory of the unexplained and use it as definitive proof that something exists, when it is clear that there is not information to make that definitive statement. Could it be all of these explained events be from aliens. Sure! Could they also have perfectly scientifically explainable reasons that have nothing to do with aliens. Sure! As one being accused of being narrow minded, I find it strange (and ironic) that I leave open the possibility of both scenarios, yet the alien believers only believe what they want to believe and accuse everyone else who don't agree of being narrow minded.

And just because you are an engineer doesn't mean you think critically. One has nothing to do with another.

 

[Bear]

I'm sick of pompous morons in the media, and that includes newsgroups and government. Don't need lessons on how to think, thank you very much.

 

[enkrypt3d]

http://www.history.com/shows/ancien...ull-episodes#ancient-aliens-underwater-worlds

Very interesting stuff! What was going on 14K-32K years ago??

 

[Vega$ NSX]

The countdown is nearing an end! :wink:

Could it be? At the 11th hour?!?!

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143329

:biggrin::wink::tongue:

 

[Dhalsim]

Could it be? At the 11th hour?!?!

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143329

:biggrin::wink::tongue:

hmmmmmmm.......verrrry interesting

 

[flaminio]

Could it be? At the 11th hour?!?!

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143329

:biggrin::wink::tongue:

I've already started working on my apology to SkiBanker.

And I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords!

 

[Vega$ NSX]

I've already started working on my apology to SkiBanker.

And I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords!

If this pans out and it really is some sort of alien revelation, I need to go back and re-read everything he wrote. That would be way too much of a sheer coincidence for him to just say that so definitively.

However, something tells me to put my underwhelmed hat back on. :tongue:

 

[enkrypt3d]

If this pans out and it really is some sort of alien revelation, I need to go back and re-read everything he wrote. That would be way too much of a sheer coincidence for him to just say that so definitively.

However, something tells me to put my underwhelmed hat back on. :tongue:

See I knew it! The Annunaki are coming back to take us home! :biggrin::tongue:

 

[Vega$ NSX]

Glad I had my underwhelmed hat on.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/compost/2010/12/the_big_announcement_nasa_find.html

 

[DrVolkl]

Glad I had my underwhelmed hat on.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/compost/2010/12/the_big_announcement_nasa_find.html

WikiLeaks to release future files with UFO talk:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40491489/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/

 

[flaminio]

UFO shot down over Israeli nuclear plant!

THEY'RE HERE!!!!

 

[BATMANs]

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http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/tag/sts-88/

 

[Vega$ NSX]

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http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/tag/sts-88/

That's not an UFO, that's proof that Transformers exist! That's clearly Buzzsaw.

 

[flaminio]

This is not at all suspicious:

 

[Vega$ NSX]

This is not at all suspicious:

Wait a minute. Not so fast my friend. :biggrin:

 

[BATMANs]

Wait a minute. Not so fast my friend. :biggrin:

 

[enkrypt3d]

http://www.history.com/shows/ancien...ull-episodes#ancient-aliens-alien-devastation

This latest Ancient Aliens is very interesting.... along with this development:

http://www.disinfo.com/2010/12/wikileaks-set-to-reveal-u-s-ufo-war/

 

[Vega$ NSX]

Here is absolute proof that UFO's do not exist. So called experts claim that there is a visible UFO in this picture, but for the life of me, I don't see it anywhere. They even claimed they circled it with a red circle, yet I still don't see it. Proof UFO's don't exist.

 

[flaminio]

The countdown is nearing an end! :wink:

Ski_Banker: "2010 is the year that aliens will become broadly known to the world."

Oh, well. I was actually hoping he'd be right.

 

[Vega$ NSX]

Ski_Banker: "2010 is the year that aliens will become broadly known to the world."

Oh, well. I was actually hoping he'd be right.

Perhaps he was referring to himself? Which is why he just disappeared? :wink::tongue:

 

[BATMANs]

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