The (2nd) Official 2016 F1 thread

Myself, and several others that follow F1 were surprise by the results Hass have had in the first two races. No one including Honda and Toyota were this successful . Having said, that the first fly away rounds always have a few surprises. Let see what they do when the circus get back to the European races.

Bram
 
Just got back from Australia; the Melbourne race was extremely exciting. My very first F1 event, and we were just on the other side of the bend from the massive Alonso/Guttierez crash ~ McLaren/Honda and Haas being the two teams I am following closely this season too.

Not sure if it was Melbourne specifically or just F1 in general but I was blown away by the scale and caliber of the event. I've been to several ALMS/USCC races (Road Atlanta/Laguna Seca/Baltimore) and several D1 GP events, but I was really surprised by how much nicer the Australian GP was. Many more vendors, many more different types of vendors, places to buy food (and not mediocre boardwalk offerings), lots of merchandise and a ton of things to do/see, even for non-car enthusiasts. Our original plan was to get there early and look around, then leave for lunch to return only for the main event. We ended up getting in and staying all day ~ there was just so much to see and do.

On top of that, I immediately noticed how good F1 is at segregating the audience. At an ALMS/USCC event, I felt that general admission was usually good enough to see and experience much of what was going on but at F1, there is really a lot of interaction that I was missing out on because I had not paid for paddock access or a seat in the stands. Lesson learned. While Albert Park provided a good view via the track-side screens and little hills packed with crowds, I will definitely get a more premium seat next time. I'm really excited about this season and look forward to attending more F1 races in the future.
 
whats the deal with the nbc guys calling the old renault engine a Tag hauer did they buy the naming rights...they make watches ,why would they do that rather than just have regular sponsorship?
 
TAG (Techniques D'avant Guarde) is also an engineering firm i had dealt with in the 90's. It was engaged in some R&D from the very onset. It is owned by the Ojjeh family and incorporated in Switzerland I beleive. They had bought the old swiss watchmaker Heuer as an investment and gradually devloped the brand to become known as just Tag watches. It has since been sold. They still own a good chunk of McLaren and had helped develop the old Porsche V6 turbo engine that McLaren used in F1. If I remember correctly, that F1 car was always described as being powered by a "Tag engine". So they are not new to the motorsport engine world.
 
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whats the deal with the nbc guys calling the old renault engine a Tag hauer did they buy the naming rights...they make watches ,why would they do that rather than just have regular sponsorship?

Also, after all the shit talking Red Bull did about the Renault engine, their relationship with Renault soured, and Renault didn't really want to supply them anymore. For a moment, it looked as Red Bull would not have an engine. Mercedes would not supply them, Ferrari wasn't too excited to supply them either. I think Uncle Ron at McLaren had some say in Honda not supplying them either. So some agreement was brokered by Bernie I think, and Renault supplies them with engines but they are rebranded as TAG and they don't use the Renault name, or something like that.
 
^^ this is exactly the way I understand it too. They're Renault engines but Red Bull is really unhappy with the arrangement and is using them with the TAG brand.
 
ahh so old guard rich family with roots in F1...egotistical rich guys renaming to make them feel better....:rolleyes:
 
I knew there was the issue with Red Bull and Reneault, but not sure why Tag Heuer got the name. With Infiniti being (or used to) a sponsor of Red Bull and a technical partner with Reneault, that, to me is the logical branding.
Perhaps none of the parties wanted that solution.
I think I have some SWAG from the McLaren Tag days.
 
red bull publically dissed renault for supplying, what they considered 'crap' engines, renault got a bit miffed to say the least. all the time RB and renault were winning world championships it was 'red bull' winning... as soon as they are not on the top of the podium it's a 'renault ' problem.

so the tensions/spats between the 2 went all the way through 2015. eventually RB drawing up legal papers to cancel the renault supply contract 1 year early... but crucially not actually issueing it.

RB went shopping for a new engine, but didn't want a customer engine, they wanted the same spec as the suppliers. Merc said no, why supply someone with equal kit to beat the factory team. Ferrari did the same. RB did discuss with Honda, even tho the engine was proving to be a dog in 2015, but Ron Dennis put the kybosh on that, claiming an exclusivity clause.

so red bull HAD to go back to Renault, (and crucially still had the contract so renault couldn't get out of it) especially after Bernies attempt to get an independant supplier hit a stone wall... (watch this space tho for 2017, red bull won't have current renault contract then and once again be without an engine, so cue Dietrich Mateschitz threatening to pull RB and torro rosso out of the sport again!!)

but renault, thoroughly p'd off with RB, and brokered by bernie, agreed to have the renault engine supplied to the RB factory, then tweaked by Ilmore, and rebadged 'tag' just to distance it from its origins.... TAG also stopped being a Mclaren main sponsor this season (after sponsoring them for what seems like forever), perhaps they wanted to keep their name in F1 somehow...

this also timed with renault setting up it's works team, so the RB infinity (ie renault) sponsorship went out the window

now RB have Aston martin badges on the nose.... and no engine contract for 2017...... now if they were to introduced a meaty NA engine as part of bernies independent engine supplier plan......

that doesn't sound like the planning and execution of a Max Mosely scheme would it? max making up the strategies and bernie carrying them out???


as for Haas doing so well for a brand new team, they are, they have certainly hit the ground running....

....but having over a year to prepare with no limits on testing (as they weren't a F1 racing team at the time so didn't have the test restrictions) with ferrari parts, ferrari engine, ferrari wind tunnel, tech and so on..... and can we really believe that ferrari didn't learn anything being Haas partners as they do seem to have moved forward quite a bit over the winter......



On top of that, I immediately noticed how good F1 is at segregating the audience. At an ALMS/USCC event, I felt that general admission was usually good enough to see and experience much of what was going on but at F1, there is really a lot of interaction that I was missing out on because I had not paid for paddock access or a seat in the stands. Lesson learned. While Albert Park provided a good view via the track-side screens and little hills packed with crowds, I will definitely get a more premium seat next time. I'm really excited about this season and look forward to attending more F1 races in the future.

or how good the tracks have had to get squeezing every last penny out of the audience to cover the millions in 'hosting' fees that bernie demands from the circuits. sadly most circuits run F1 race weekends at a loss
 
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HA, no way lewham wins today! Go Nico!
 
Amazing race, a lot of fun to watch. Apparently this was just the sixth time ever that a race had no retirements. Probably one of the few times that a safety car was out and there was no retirements as well.
 
On top of that, I immediately noticed how good F1 is at segregating the audience. At an ALMS/USCC event, I felt that general admission was usually good enough to see and experience much of what was going on but at F1, there is really a lot of interaction that I was missing out on because I had not paid for paddock access or a seat in the stands. Lesson learned. While Albert Park provided a good view via the track-side screens and little hills packed with crowds, I will definitely get a more premium seat next time. I'm really excited about this season and look forward to attending more F1 races in the future.

I've been fortunate to attend three Albert Park races. (and the last one in Adelaide).
I bought grandstand seats each time.
Expensive but as you've seen well worth the money.
I agree an F1 race is quite an experience!
 
China was a fun race,because the cars seemed to run similar times and were thus competing for the same real estate more often and the tire strategies were very different...but Hamo with 5 stops:rolleyes:.....
 
Love him or loath him poor ole Hamilton can't take a trick at the moment. The real problem for him now is to not overdrive in the coming events in an effort to close down the gap. But I think he may need some of his luck to rub off on his teammate to allow him to bridge the gap. Certainly if he wins from here, he'll go down as one of the very best.
 
In an effort to "catch up" I hope he doesn't "bounce" too hard.
 
Well it looks like Lewis is going to have another tuff weekend, starting from 10th on the grid, with a Turbo problem. Ironically it's the same issue that he had in China, not sure if Merc did fix the problem last time or if it is something entirely new.
Rosberg, is having all the good fortune within that team ATM.

Bram
 
Well it looks like Lewis is going to have another tuff weekend, starting from 10th on the grid, with a Turbo problem. Ironically it's the same issue that he had in China, not sure if Merc did fix the problem last time or if it is something entirely new.
Rosberg, is having all the good fortune within that team ATM.

Bram

They switched sides on mechanics in the garage.
 
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