Street Racing

also in regards to street racing.
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whats the point of having a fast car? :confused:

i wish everyone would pull out a dyno sheet at the meets and agree that YES... 500HP beats 450HP.... but thats not the way the world works.

a) We have a fast car becase we want to go quick...

b) the competitive nature in us will always push us to see who is better.

combine the two and we get street racing.

i race at the track... but they just closed the track. :mad:

even if we do race at the tracking, there will be times when we just want to get in it on the streets.

ITS ILLEGAL! dont do it. :smile:

Drunk and driving costs more lives than street racing every year.. but you dont see drunk driver's cars getting crushed. :rolleyes: all they get is a slap on the wrist the first time. Street racers get their cars crushed.

double standards.

happy safe motoring.

Rob
 
LOL. That's pretty damn funny.



I think the "machine guns in a public place" is a little over the top. But beyond that... nobody is condoning or encouraging anything. We're just sick of the flamers. That's it. There alot of people that drive their cars fast. Whether or not it's considered "street racing" is in the eye of the beholder. I know I've driven alot faster by myself than I ever have driving with another car beside me. I've had my car up to 155. That's the fastest I've had it. On a HUUUUGE straight on a 4 lane divided highway close to Bloomington, IN. No traffic, a dry, sunny sunday afternoon in September. It was fun as hell. I'll probably do it again sometime if the conditions are as perfect as that day was. If they aren't then I won't. The problem is when everyone has to "pile on" and act holier than thou and lecture fellow owners about what is right and what is wrong. Like I said in my previous post, I don't know what you consider "street racing", but pulling up next to a dude on the highway, getting on it when there is room to do so and letting off is just guys being guys. If somebody posts a video of them weaving in and out of traffic and acting like an ass, that's different. Just stop lumping everyone that drives over the speed limit into this rediculous category of "idiot street racer" that is hell bent on death and destruction. It's just over the top and silly.


Anyway, about that clutch and flywheel I'm about to do.... those of you that have made the lighter flywheel mod, what do you think of it?

I hear your rant and I understand your pain and fustration with the percieved lecturing,,,, but we are not talking about simple exhuberent bursts of speed on public roads.The op is talking about ways to compete in a head to head drag race somewhere....but not at a dragway or track built with just that in mind.So I would simply point you to Hulk Hogans' son thread as a pretty vivid example of why our public roads suck as race venues.:rolleyes: I wish more car enthusiasts would pursue thier passion on the playgrounds meant for such.:confused:
 
I would suggest that the flames in this thread should have been expected simply because of the thread title. If it said something like "driving on the highway at 90mph" I doubt that anyone would have said boo (most people probably would not even have opened the thread to see what it was about).

The concept of "street racing" is frowned upon by the public and for good reason. That is why cars are now confiscated in parts of New York for doing just that. Yes, there is a difference between "speeding" and "street racing" and I think people will still continue to criticize the latter way more often than the former.

From the NY Times:

November 18, 2007
Slow Down? Never. Well, Maybe.
By PHILLIP LUTZ
WEST BABYLON, N.Y.

ON what figured to be one of the last mild Saturdays of the year, an ethnically diverse and eclectically clad mix of auto enthusiasts engaged in a burnout contest here in an industrial area on Bell Street. The contest is an enduring ritual in which competing cars’ rear ends are held aloft while their drivers spin the front wheels against the pavement to generate as much sound and smoke as possible before speeding off one at a time.

But just as the contest was shifting into high gear — fueled by free-flowing beer, burgers and a huge sound system that pumped rap music — four Suffolk County police cars arrived, alerted by a 911 call. “We want to nip it in the bud,” Officer Robert Cardona said. “We’re trying to make sure they don’t kill themselves or others.”

Nip it in the bud they did. Before the competition could escalate into actual drag racing, the police gave out tickets for nonmoving offenses like parking violations and warned the participants to clear the street and not race. The burnout contest resumed after the police left. But the atmosphere had cooled, and the crowd, which had come from as far away as Vermont and North Carolina, drifted away.

The urge to build and race powerful cars is a constant, said Robert Ponzo, the assistant chief of patrol in the Suffolk County Police Department. Even two off-duty Mount Vernon, N.Y., police officers were accused of drag racing in their town last year on North Macquesten Parkway; one officer lost control of his car, injuring his passenger.

The consequences can be even more dire. Two 19-year-olds and a 20-year-old were killed in an evening drag race along Route 33 in Neptune Township, N.J., in March. That same month, a Newark police sergeant involved in a crackdown on drag racing on Doremus Avenue, a frequent site of illegal late-night races, was killed when his squad car flipped while chasing a suspect. And on Long Island, four people died in 2005 because of drag racing, including a woman in Elmont whose car was hit by one that the police said was racing.

But drag racing persists on public roads — especially industrial areas, like the one in West Babylon and on Doremus Avenue in Newark — in both impromptu and organized competitions.

Aided by computers and cellphones (participants in the burnout contest were organizing up to the last minute on a live Internet feed), hot rodders regularly congregate across the New York metropolitan area.

But for many of them, the risks of illegal racing are beginning to outweigh the thrills as the police step up enforcement and racing etiquette breaks down.

David Moy is a case in point. Leaning against his shiny red Honda Civic at the competition here, Mr. Moy, 28, of Ridge, N.Y., said he had sworn off street racing because he feared the police would seize his car, a 1997 model on which he said he had spent $25,000 for improvements.

Reacting to the drag-racing deaths on Long Island in 2005, the Suffolk County Legislature approved a bill last year authorizing police to seize racers’ cars. Since then, more than 20 have been seized and nearly 30 arrests made, the police said.

“They’re cracking down so much,” Mr. Moy said, “it’s not even worth it.”

For Nissin Trujillo, of Ocean Township, N.J., the risks are more personal. Mr. Trujillo, who is in his 20s and works with engines for a living, said a friend of his died a few years ago in a race along Main Street in Asbury Park, N.J. He said the death prompted him to stop racing on the street, though street racers’ diminishing sense of how to behave had already led him in that direction.

“People don’t know how to act anymore,” he said.

CHRIS MILLER, 26, of North Babylon, N.Y., said the risks were a career issue for him. Driving a black 1995 Honda Civic, he races only at tracks, most recently last month at the National Hot Rod Association’s sport-compact fall nationals, at Old Bridge Township Raceway Park in Englishtown, N.J. He said street racing could jeopardize thousands of dollars in prize money and corporate backing he is seeking.

Mr. Miller’s move up the ladder parallels a general upgrading in drag racing. The National Hot Rod Association has 80,000 members, 140 affiliated tracks, multimillion-dollar cable-TV deals and a raft of star drivers who, like the crowd at the burnout contest, are a diverse mix. All of which gives young drivers something to shoot for beyond the cheap thrills and small cash available racing on the street.

Not that cheap thrills don’t retain their allure. Efan Krcic, 21, who lives in Flushing, Queens, and works as a doorman in Manhattan, said he races his Lexus SE 300 on highways in the metropolitan area when he is “egged on.” Mr. Krcic, who was among those who showed up in West Babylon, said he enjoyed the “bragging rights” that come from minor victories.

A spontaneous race apparently led to the three deaths in Neptune Township, N.J., in March. Capt. Andrew Ludder of the Neptune police said the accident did not indicate a wider pattern of drag racing, but Adrian Villamil, 26, of Little Ferry, N.J., who works at Z10 Motorsports in Neptune, said that impulsive racing takes place on nearby Route 18 and Route 9, as well as on Route 33.

Still, he said, most drivers backed off when the police took aggressive action against speeders, which Captain Ludder stressed was department policy. His department also focuses on known racing hot spots.

Mr. Villamil said that he and other racers chose to test their cars at Raceway Park, not far from Route 18. Alex Knapp, the track’s co-owner, said drivers from all over the metropolitan area regularly take part in open-track nights on Wednesdays and Fridays. He said that more had come from Nassau and Suffolk Counties since Long Island Motorsports Park in Westhampton closed after half a century in 2004.

Plans for a new track in Yaphank, in Suffolk, have languished amid opposition from the community and environmentalists, as well as developers with other interests.

Hot rodders said they would use a new track.

“There wouldn’t be all that jumping lines, burnout burnout stuff,” said Lauren Morales, 24, of Richmond Hill, Queens, the girlfriend of Mr. Moy, the former street racer.

But Chief Ponzo was skeptical, saying that much street racing would continue.


DEAR LORD! Will it ever end? Yeah, thanks for the "street racer story of peril".
I'm going to go drive how I want now. Thanks. :rolleyes:
 
I hear your rant and I understand your pain and fustration with the percieved lecturing,,,, but we are not talking about simple exhuberent bursts of speed on public roads.The op is talking about ways to compete in a head to head drag race somewhere....but not at a dragway or track built with just that in mind.So I would simply point you to Hulk Hogans' son thread as a pretty vivid example of why our public roads suck as race venues.:rolleyes: I wish more car enthusiasts would pursue thier passion on the playgrounds meant for such.:confused:

Ok, but why don't you just help the guy with his question and assume that he's got some common sense? It's NOT YOUR JOB to tell the guy how, where & when to drive his car. Just answer his question, and pray everyone is doing things with their own safety and the safety of others in mind. That's it. And Doc I'm not mad at anyone in particular here, including you. I'm just sick of the mind set that people here need to try to "teach people a lesson". I mean geez, read my original post... and then what happens? Somebody posts a story about people getting killed street racing. I mean I predicted it. It's laughable. I read to the second paragraph and just started cracking up. "But just as the contest was shifting into high gear — fueled by free-flowing beer, burgers and a huge sound system that pumped rap music ". Lol. Really guys? Do you think that really represents a good portion of the people on this forum that like to drive fast? I don't.

Now go drive down the street typing on your Blackberry or talking on the phone. Meet for happy hour, or take the lady to dinner. Crack open a few beers or have a glass or 2 of wine with your wife. It's Friday after all. Now I'd love to sit here and lecture you all on drinking in moderation and give you the statistics on drunk driving fatalities in the past ten years... but instead I think I'll just assume we are all mature adults, in control of ourselves for the most part... and I'll wish you a happy and safe evening.
 
Ok Ok you have a valid point,,I'll help the op out ,,,,, my advice ..turn your boost up to 30 psi:wink:
 
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DEAR LORD! Will it ever end? Yeah, thanks for the "street racer story of peril".
I'm going to go drive how I want now. Thanks. :rolleyes:

That certainly is your prerogative. Hell, I was once young and stupid so you certainly are entitled to the same consideration. I will come down off of my soapbox now with the parting observation that in the event your driving style results in you wrapping your car around a pole, I will ask your forgiveness in advance for my inability to shed a tear.
 
Hang on - who said having a beer while working on your own car is not OK?

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That certainly is your prerogative. Hell, I was once young and stupid so you certainly are entitled to the same consideration. I will come down off of my soapbox now with the parting observation that in the event your driving style results in you wrapping your car around a pole, I will ask your forgiveness in advance for my inability to shed a tear.

I'm not young, nor am I stupid. And thank you.
 
but wouldn't that just be encouraging him to race?

No it wouldn't. See, that's where you have to stop demeaning people. If you ask me where you can buy a gun, I'm going to tell you. I'm not going to give you some drawn out talk on gun safety and assume you're going to go shoot up a town. It's called treating people like adults. And yeah, why stop there. Go shove a rocket booster from the space shuttle in your car. I don't care. It's your car.
 
I don't care.

There's the difference. Some of us do care.

And, as a gun owner, if someone asked me about purchasing a gun I would ask some basic questions to make sure that I gave them sound advice suited to their needs and experience which would include a concern for their safety.
 
Let me start by saying we are all friends here.
Sometimes pride can mean more than $$
The bragging rights of your friend calling you on the phone
and rubbing it in day in and day out. Hell, we have bet loser washes
each others car in the past.
If I lose, I lose. If I win, the glory goes to my tunner and all the people
who helped me build this car. There are not too many turbo NSX in the southeast Area in GA. Its really hard to find people who can work on your car and really put effort into it and not price gouge you.
I am by far not a millionare just a average blue collar worker.

Back to the clutch issue. My Car is on the rack. Early tommorow morning
Jess is going install it. then drive it around dont know E.T. exactly of the event. But, will keep it posted.
 
There's the difference. Some of us do care.

And, as a gun owner, if someone asked me about purchasing a gun I would ask some basic questions to make sure that I gave them sound advice suited to their needs and experience which would include a concern for their safety.

No no no.... you're not going to turn this into a "we care" situation when you flame people. Go back and look over most of the posts when somebody mentions racing. Jerk, stupid, idiot, are some frequently used words that come to mind. I'm glad you care. I care too. I mean obviously we don't wish harm. I just give adults the benefit of the doubt, insted of coming off like "I know what is right, and if you don't follow my lead, your a dumbass" So really, go stick a jet engine in your car. Don't get hurt.

Yes, we are and yes it can.

Yes we can. I love this place & I like the guys on it. We just need to shift away from flaming people because it's just sooooo tired and played out. That's all.
 
DEAR LORD! Will it ever end? Yeah, thanks for the "street racer story of peril".
I'm going to go drive how I want now. Thanks. :rolleyes:

Fight the good fight BRO..............Good luck, I just don't post in these threads on this forum :biggrin:

And to think most car Forums have a "KILLS" section just for grudge matches like this :tongue:

One of the funniest stories posted by one of my Mods. I sure hope the NSX driver is NOT on the forum.......shame on you :redface: : http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?p=848680#post848680
 
And to think most car Forums have a "KILLS" section just for grudge matches like this :tongue:

I THINK that a time or two in the past we have had people bring up the subject of that. However,it got shot down very quickly.
I would say that the higher ups with this site DON'T want it to become like all the other sites out there that have those forums and encourage that activity, whether it is good or bad.
I personally like to think that we do in fact have a more mature community than most of the other sites that, dare I say, 'condon' that type of behavior.
 
Being the author of the linked F430 thread I can say I see nothing wrong with a little highway competition from time to time. What all the "street racing is evil" guys forget is that believe it or not people are capable of using good judgement. Going 150 mph through a school zone while dodging cars and looking out your passenger window is retarded and not to be compared to two guys on an open highway doing a little pull. I think 99.99% of us would agree and the majority of the "street racing" deaths are a result of the former and not the latter. Also, I think that "street racing' is the evil topic dejour. Have people been killed on the street? Yes, no doubt. But so have people playing the game of golf and I don't hear a public outcry saying "golf is evil". Street racing is being blown way out of proportion.

To those who say "take it to a track" or "speed kills" I usually respond "what if there isn't a track near you?" or "have you never taken your car above the speed limit or passed another car on an open highway? Because if you have you are being a hypocrit". Why have a car that can go 3 times the legal speed limit if not to try it out from time to time?

The "competition" aspect also makes me laugh. In my meet with the F430 I think it lasted all of 15 seconds. Once he started pulling and was clearly getting ahead there isn't much point in continuing is there? Same is true when I pulled the M3. I was behind him and when he punched it I let him get ahead and then I punched it to see if I could reel him in. Sure enough I could so again there is no sense in continuing. I don't see the "red mist" really having any believable bearing here. It's not like we're trying to pass on a blind corner or anything.

To recap, what I am basically saying to the safety Nazi's is that the majority of us are capable of using good judgement on where and when to play with our cars. So give us a break why don't you and stop the "street racing is evil" judgemental rant of the week and consider that maybe we aren't all just a bunch of idiots that you seem to imply.
 
Fight the good fight BRO..............Good luck, I just don't post in these threads on this forum :biggrin:

And to think most car Forums have a "KILLS" section just for grudge matches like this :tongue:

One of the funniest stories posted by one of my Mods. I sure hope the NSX driver is NOT on the forum.......shame on you :redface: : http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?p=848680#post848680

I just read that whole thread, ouch to the nsx owner. I guess there are a lot of slow NSX owners on rx7club because even a CL-S is apparently as fast as his na2. Everyone seems to look at comparable year cars, na1 vs FD but not NA2 vs FD because than the power and speed difference really starts to show stock for stock.


edit: just looked at their dragstrip thread and a lot of bolt on FD's 1/4 mile trap speed is right where a strong a running na1 with bolt ons trap at ( the 104-109 mph ) range so even bolt on for bolt on its not like we're comparing a supra TT to a NSX. Very very interesting.
 
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Just a lil gift from me to you
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I THINK that a time or two in the past we have had people bring up the subject of that. However,it got shot down very quickly.
I would say that the higher ups with this site DON'T want it to become like all the other sites out there that have those forums and encourage that activity, whether it is good or bad.
I personally like to think that we do in fact have a more mature community than most of the other sites that, dare I say, 'condon' that type of behavior.

I agree that we have a more mature site. I like it very much. If you take a look at some other car forums, look at how they speak to each other... it's really rediculous. I think we can have a mature forum, full of helpful people and information... that ALSO doesn't crap on someone everytime they go above the speed limit in their car.

Going 150 mph through a school zone while dodging cars and looking out your passenger window is retarded and not to be compared to two guys on an open highway doing a little pull. I think 99.99% of us would agree and the majority of the "street racing" deaths are a result of the former and not the latter. Street racing is being blown way out of proportion.

To recap, what I am basically saying to the safety Nazi's is that the majority of us are capable of using good judgement on where and when to play with our cars. So give us a break why don't you and stop the "street racing is evil" judgemental rant of the week and consider that maybe we aren't all just a bunch of idiots that you seem to imply.

That is EXACTLY right. I think maybe we need to differentiate a "highway pull" from a "street race". Maybe we need to start using that phrase more often so we don't get lumped in with the former, because they are drastically different.
 
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That is exactly what I'm talking about. Huge straight away, didn't pass ONE person. NOTHING wrong with that whatsoever.

P.S. Was that the bumpiest piece of highway or what? thump thump thump thump thump thump thump.
 
That is exactly what I'm talking about. Huge straight away, didn't pass ONE person. NOTHING wrong with that whatsoever.

P.S. Was that the bumpiest piece of highway or what? thump thump thump thump thump thump thump.

It was crazy bumpy. It was the sections of the roadway where they meet.
We had a concrete barrier in the center, not shoulder to worry about broke down cars, and zero traffic ahead, we stradled the center line.
Was taken on the way to the Dyno shop yesterday.
 
I am glad other members are stepping up to my side on this issue.
I do understand the other side of this concern.
but, again. We do go to a secluded area. This is not the first time for us.
anyhow, we didnt get to put the clutch in saturday. Jess had to babby sit his new born and I had to work. Well its not the end of the world.
Were not going anywhere. We both have been native Georgian's for well over 30 years. We are postponing til this up comming saturday. This way, once installed we can atleast put some breakin miles on the clutch and I will have no excuses my rival says.
 
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