Somewhat scary experience today...

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Had a rather unsettling close-call today, not sure what to do with the information, but figured I'd share it on here since you all have been quite helpful with advice thus far.

Drove down to the USA with a friend to view a black car listed currently here on Prime. Not sure if I should list the VIN or car info here or not, do not want to start anything ugly. Seller had been very communicative, outlined the few flaws with the car, seemed completely legit. Did my due diligence asking for photos of the right elements and the car seemed good for a final PPI and test drive. Upon arrival the car drove beautifully, no issues, squeaks, leaks, weeps, sweats, worn bushings, shimmys - the flaws previously outlined were nothing major, nothing to complain about on the mechanical or on the surface... or was there?

Literally, with the keys in my hand - other hand on the door handle, RIGHT as we were about to head to the bank to initiate the wire transfer I noticed some substantial orange peel on the driver side rear bumper that I had missed before. Upon closer examination the entire rear had been painted! Upon even closer critical examination the ENTIRE CAR had been and it had been done rather poorly and I was shocked at myself for not noticing it immediately since I nosed around the panel gaps and seams before all of this. I must have been blinded by the desire I have for this car, embarrassing but all I can figure! I had the car taken straight to a local Acura dealer and their NSX tech confirmed the car had been painted and misc panels had poor body work done to them that was only apparent now that the sun was out in full force. Did not delve further into trying to establish if the car was bent, however upon doing some more digging on the car via google (rather than searching on Prime) I found some unsettling history with this car that really put the fear into me.

I was pretty stunned. The owner seemed legitimately stunned and disappointed that his car had been painted, but I'm still very unsure of the whole situation. A few comments seemed suspect in the final analysis of the entire situation as we dissected it on the drive home - but it's also easy to read into situations so I'm still reserving final judgement.

Suffice it to say I verrrry nearly lost many tens of thousands of dollars today on what I consider to be a bad purchase. I may also have ruined the seller's day if they genuinely had no idea their entire car had been previously painted for some unknown reason(s). Ultimately though it throws the car's entire history into doubt as far as I'm concerned regardless of what the seller did or did not know.

Very glad I had the willpower and a friend with me to chincheck me.

Caveat emptor indeed. :-/ The hunt continues...
 
Glad that you were able to spot these issues, before handing over the cheque.
Buying a car in the US is easy enough...however, I can't stress enough the importance of getting a proper inspection, because once it's import into Canada, you have very little recourse if there are issues.

Keep looking....

Bram
 
Hey

good work in spotting the problems with this nsx..im surprised the owner didnt even realize his own car had been repainted...or maybe he was playing it off..

either way good luck in your search for that prestine nsx...
 
Bram is right on the money. When I bought mine in AZ in November /09 I actually flew my Acura tech (who is a good friend and I trust 110%) down to Phoenix with me to do the PPI. He spent a good 3 hours going over the car top to bottom and among other things looked behind the dash and into the engine with a bore scope. Geez, I think he's even more compulsive than I am! This cost me a pretty penny but it was worth it to know that someone I have the utmost confidence in went over the car with a fine tooth comb and approved same. I simply built this cost into my acquisition budget. Things turned out great in that with the exception of one spark plug that went bad, I have had zero mechanical issues with the car. And the best part was that I had company on the drive back to Michigan!

Glad you caught this before the deal was done and didn't get burned.

Best,
Jeff
 
man if only i had the money ...id totally buy your car biobanker lol

anybody with an nsx ever up in the vaughan area? drop by my restaurant to say hello :smile:
 
^^^ Before I even had a chance to put it up forsale officially, someone stepped forward saying that they wanted it. It is now sitting in my garage under cover waiting. Safety was done yesterday. I have been packing up all the stock stuff for the new owner to fill his basement with, too.

It looks like the new owner will take it next weekend. That'll be the start of something great for him and the end of something great for me!

Also, Sean and I are getting close to finalizing the details for the Club's new name. We will then requisition a meeting and vote all you guys into oblivion!
 
lol now thats quick....is your nsx staying in the Toronto area biobanker?

the question here is will you ever own another nsx someday?
 
Im sure that you guys will find out who is getting it and where it is going shortly after it happens.

Im going to leave it up to the new owner to come forward.
 
A re-painted NSX isn't a bad NSX. A poorly painted NSX...well, that's another story. Good thing you found out before closing the deal.
 
^^^WOW

That up there is bullshit, but Im not going to get into a pissing match on the internet.

But just so you know, you can blow a clutch out in 10km, let alone the 2500km you put on the car since you bought it. Every time you're smelling burning clutch, and you've told me that you have smelt burning clutch a lot, that is YOU wrecking it.

Burning clutch is a sign of misuse, pure and simple. Case closed. End of story.

Your technician is wrong. If indeed that clutch is done, you did that. Its an RPS clutch, not a stock S2000 clutch. Put the stock clutch that I sent you today back in. It will work better for you and it will tolerate misuse much better than the RPS, or any other high performance clutch, will.

I learned a lesson here too.
 
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sucks to hear your having problems with your nsx ....hope you get it sorted out...

kinda had a feeling it was something related to wear and tear items..

Hey biobanker can the stock clutch handle the power of the ctsc thats in the nsx?
 
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sucks to hear your having problems with your nsx ....hope you get it sorted out...

kinda had a feeling it was something related to wear and tear items..

Hey biobanker can the stock clutch handle the power of the ctsc thats in the nsx?

Yup. My CTSC'd car is a stock clutch car and many more out there are. Depends on the driver and how you are engaging/dis-engaging it or whether or not you are dumping it all of the time.

I've met alot of people who claim they can drive a manual car but watching their footing and timings indicated they can't.

That was pretty big of Bio to send a stock clutch to the new owner.
 
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Wow um ya. Sucks your clutch burnt out but there's two possibilities here:

1. An obviously well respected prime member with a very solid reputation from a number of independent sources sold you a car with a shot clutch. Further, you failed to notice said previously destroyed clutch on what I hope was your test drive (you did test drive it, right?).

2. You drove a highly modified and unfamiliar-to-you car across the country on your first time out, repeatedly smelled burning clutch indicating something was wrong either with your driving technique (having driven numerous s2000s and seen how wildly the clutch engagement point can vary this gets my vote) or even if there WAS something else wrong you chose to continue driving your expensive investment across the country inspire of it telling you odorously to "put me on a flatbed for now pls".

Which of these sounds more plausible?

I guess what I'm trying to say is: don't derail my thread with your agenda.
 
Oh, and further, the point of this thread was that DESPITE the owner of the car I went to look at having had a proper PPI done by an Acura shop, THEY didn't even notice that the entire car had been repainted, or they chose NOT to tell the owner the entire car had been repainted. So PPI or no PPI, caveat emptor.
 
Yup. My CTSC'd car is a stock clutch car and many more out there are. Depends on the driver and how you are engaging/dis-engaging it or whether or not you are dumping it all of the time.

I've met alot of people who claim they can drive a manual car but watching their footing and timings indicated they can't.

That was pretty big of Bio to send a stock clutch to the new owner.

neat so i guess the nsx stock clutch itself is already good to handle the power put out by the ctsc ..

but yeah i think both of the people involved probably have worked something out and the original poster out of fustration decided to just post up here his problem with his newly bought car...hope they get it all sorted out ..
 
Wow...we have a lots of opinions from some folks that have never Own or even driven an NSX. A clutch on an NSX is different from other cars, even between the Dual disks (91-96) Vs single disk (97-05) there are differences.

As others have suggested, a clutch can last 10 KM or 100,000 KM it all depends on how you drive it!

The fact is, if you buy any car (New or Used) and you burn the clutch out in less than 2500 KM the manufacture will not replaced it under warranty for free....Most, if any at all, you'll get is a break on the price of the parts from the Manufacture.


I think that its very responsible of Dave to send a complete OEM clutch to the purchaser.


I"m sorry that you have to started your NSX ownership under a cloud.


Bram
 
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having a ppi done what other than having an experienced mechanic drive the car(or buyer) would tell if the clutch is on the way out...or is good until it;s not
 
Can somebody PM me the posts that are obviously deleted...so confused. :confused:
 
You didn't check prime for a day and missed all the drama? Better that we missed it.

We are still trying to get evil man (slightly) a car. How's the search going? Did you test drive the one at Sherway?
 
Meh, buying a used car is buying a used car. You do all your homework and in the end you are still buying a used car. If you want a warranty, buy a new car!
 
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