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[Olyar15]

The NSX is irrelevant to Acura in terms of number of cars sold. It might have a halo effect and is great for marketing, but it really won't draw customers to Acura dealerships. What is far more important to Acura/Honda is the next gen MDX. That is their bread and butter, especially the way SUVs/crossovers are selling these days.

 

[N Spec]

seems no one is caring much for the Acura brand these days...

I could care less for any other brand either. I'm just not really a loyalist you could say. I view them each as an independent evaluation, with brand only setting initial expectations or perception.

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With that said tho, I could see myself pushing my mother to upgrade her current Acura TL to the newer TLX in due time If the ILX comes with a turbo eventually, maybe even that car...

 

[fastaussie]

I do hope the Honda F1 drivetrain starts to show significant improvement this year.
I don't think we should sell Honda short on engines/drivetrains.

those results have spoken for them self, unfortunately loud and clear...

 

[Valkyrie Pilot]

those results have spoken for them self, unfortunately loud and clear...

Hardly FAussie. Its just the beginning. Remember that when Honda re-entered CART in 1994 or so Bobby Rahal said Honda's engine was lacking power and completely underwhelming. But Honda did not give up and kept improving and by the late '90s Honda was back to winning with Alex Zanardi. This company is relentless because the culture of its founder lives on. Its just been hidden by the accountants for a while.

 

[prym8]

The most interesting thing I have heard about the 2.0 NSX is the Pikes Peak car that they are letting sneak out -- built RWD and stripped down.

What kind of potential is there for low weight and huge boost? Could there be a bonkers GT2RS type of car (quick for a pro driver but easy to wrap around a tree for most of us) that a maniac could build on this platform?

 

[N Spec]

I don't see how there is a direct correlation between winning F1 races and building great road cars. Aside from Ferrari, Renault and Mercedes have not and still do not build the best road cars that are even worth mentioning for the most part. Sure it makes for great publicity and pride, but F1 cars and road cars have very little in common unlike other racing departments.

Nonetheless, I hope Honda/McLaren can get their synergy together and dominate again...

 

[docjohn]

.but even you can't deny the heritage and driving desire that created Honda F1 and simultaneously the road cars in the early days of Sochiro Honda ...It was like a Japanese version of Ferrari.

 

[nsx#fan]

I don't see how there is a direct correlation between winning F1 races and building great road cars. Aside from Ferrari, Renault and Mercedes have not and still do not build the best road cars that are even worth mentioning for the most part. Sure it makes for great publicity and pride, but F1 cars and road cars have very little in common unlike other racing departments.

Nonetheless, I hope Honda/McLaren can get their synergy together and dominate again...

It has nothing to to with BUILDING (great) road cars. It's about SELLING road cars.

 

[fastaussie]

Hardly FAussie. Its just the beginning. Remember that when Honda re-entered CART in 1994 or so Bobby Rahal said Honda's engine was lacking power and completely underwhelming. But Honda did not give up and kept improving and by the late '90s Honda was back to winning with Alex Zanardi. This company is relentless because the culture of its founder lives on. Its just been hidden by the accountants for a while.

where you watching the same F1 series as me last year? that was a complete embarrassment of monumental proportions. but let's not get off subject
with that. i don't think you were one of the Primers adamantly stating Honda would be winning races by mid-season or sooner?

I don't see how there is a direct correlation between winning F1 races and building great road cars.

two words, technology implementation...

 

[N Spec]

It has nothing to to with BUILDING (great) road cars. It's about SELLING road cars.

I don't think many if anyone is saying well I bought this Mercedes because they won F1 races.

two words, technology implementation...

Again, the tech between the Turbo F1 V6 KERS are not the same as the twin turbo V6 4WD hybrid used in the NSX or twin turbo V8 used in the Ferrari. Even the engineering team for Honda are not the same as the F1 team.

I don't deny that back in the old days there were more common with road cars and F1 cars, but that was yesteryear.... Even back in the 80s-90s when Ferrari was always prevalent with F1, they could not build a very reliable and effective road car for the masses (collector's cars - sure!). Also, Honda's F1 reign in the 90s certainly did not help NSX sales in the failing sports cars market of the 90s....

 

[fastaussie]

Again, the tech between the Turbo F1 V6 KERS are not the same as the twin turbo V6 4WD hybrid used in the NSX or twin turbo V8 used in the Ferrari. Even the engineering team for Honda are not the same as the F1 team.

I don't deny that back in the old days there were more common with road cars and F1 cars, but that was yesteryear.... Even back in the 80s-90s when Ferrari was always prevalent with F1, they could not build a very reliable and effective road car for the masses (collector's cars - sure!). Also, Honda's F1 reign in the 90s certainly did not help NSX sales in the failing sports cars market of the 90s....

everything you've stated is all quite obvious. but don't kid yourself, it's all trickle down homie...

p.s. if you want a one word example of a direct correlation between F1 prestige/success and building/selling street cars? Ferrari

 

[N Spec]

everything you've stated is all quite obvious. but don't kid yourself, it's all trickle down homie...

p.s. if you want a one word example of a direct correlation between F1 prestige/success and building/selling street cars? Ferrari

Haha, like I said, aside from Ferrari. Mercedes and Renault have yet to make anything worth mentioning in the supercar territory.

 

[Zoom]

Mercedes made the classic SL which is IMHO one of them.
As for Renault at some point they bought Alpine, which had a very interesting little car (that is more in line with today's Alfa 4C than a supercar though) and then proceeded to do nothing valuable with it.

 

[N Spec]

I like the SL lineup as much as the next guy, but there are so many long nosed front engine sports cars these days, it's just not appealing to me when it comes to the ultimate car or supercar status.

 

[Zoom]

I was just referring to the original SL with the gullwing doors and tubular chassis, classic race Mercs from the James Dean era were cult icons. Indeed recent cars while nice are not as exotic..

 

[Midnight_Raven]

This is an interesting video showing Ted explaining in an 1st gen NSX the connections between the old and the new.

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[blue_myriddn]

This is an interesting video showing Ted explaining in an 1st gen NSX the connections between the old and the new.

Nice video - thanks for the link. Ted has some good things to say, but I got the impression that the guy doing the video wasn't really paying much attention or understanding what Ted was saying.

 

[Yinzer]

This is an interesting video showing Ted explaining in an 1st gen NSX the connections between the old and the new.

2015? 1991?

Thanks for posting, this was fun over lunch.

 

[fastaussie]

I like the SL lineup as much as the next guy, but there are so many long nosed front engine sports cars these days, it's just not appealing to me when it comes to the ultimate car or supercar status.

there are a million mid-engined supercars as well. while we all know the NSX is the only appealing car to you, plenty of people are loving and (more importantly) buying SLS's and AMG GT's. as many as Merc can crank out.

Mercedes knows how to build F1 cars and bad arse street cars...

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I was just referring to the original SL with the gullwing doors and tubular chassis, classic race Mercs from the James Dean era were cult icons. Indeed recent cars while nice are not as exotic..

i'd have to say the SLS is pretty exotic...

 

[N Spec]

there are a million mid-engined supercars as well. while we all know the NSX is the only appealing car to you, plenty of people are loving and (more importantly) buying SLS's and AMG GT's. as many as Merc can crank out.

Mercedes knows how to build F1 cars and bad arse street cars...

Please do the tally on FR cars vs MR cars. I can list all of the current MR cars in one line virtually. A Million? More like a handful. It would take several pages to list all of the front engine sports cars right now.

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I was just referring to the original SL with the gullwing doors and tubular chassis, classic race Mercs from the James Dean era were cult icons. Indeed recent cars while nice are not as exotic..

That is indeed a classic icon. The new SLS and SLR McLaren were very nice too, but not my cup of tea.

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That was a nice video. Ted really understands the first gen NSX and touched on all of the things that made it special. I have faith he carried over the spirit well in the 2nd gen.

 

[fastaussie]

Haha, like I said, aside from Ferrari. Mercedes and Renault have yet to make anything worth mentioning in the supercar territory.

Please do the tally on FR cars vs MR cars. I can list all of the current MR cars in one line virtually. A Million? More like a handful. It would take several pages to list all of the front engine sports cars right now.

you're going to have to stop believing that your way and the NSX way is the only way to build a Supercar, or sportscar, or whatever you're talking about now.

there are plenty of front engine and rear engine vehicles that are serious performers and legit Supercars, and sportscars. while many may not like a particular model or brand, they don't dismiss everything non-NSX as unworthy. maybe you haven't noticed, but the 2017 NSX reviews aren't particularly blowing anyone over with unbridled enthusiasm and excitement?

fortunately for you Honda didn't build that V10 front-engined NSX they were considering...

 

[N Spec]

you're going to have to stop believing that your way and the NSX way is the only way to build a Supercar, or sportscar, or whatever you're talking about now.

there are plenty of front engine and rear engine vehicles that are serious performers and legit Supercars, and sportscars. while many may not like a particular model or brand, they don't dismiss everything non-NSX as unworthy. maybe you haven't noticed, but the 2017 NSX reviews aren't particularly blowing anyone over with unbridled enthusiasm and excitement?

fortunately for you Honda didn't build that V10 front-engined NSX they were considering...

I never said it was my way or the only way. The NSX is mid engine supercar. The R8 is a mid engine supercar. The 458/488 are mid engine supercars. I'm comparing apples to apples not apples to oranges. Current F1 race cars are mid engine cars. Mercedes and Renault have never made mid engine super cars. That's my point. Just because a company does well in F1 does not mean it's going to translate into an exciting supercar. It should be the logical trend, but clearly is not.

For whatever reasons you don't like the new NSX, that's your freedom of opinion and I've never bagged on you closed minded outviews with Euro bias. So I'm not sure why you're still trying to rain on everyone's parade for the many people that actually do like the new NSX here. Many prospective owners have came out to discuss it and are trying to secure spots for a fair MSRP pricing but seem to have difficulties doing so because there are enough excited people who seem to not mind paying a premium. Meanwhile you're still in denial that the new NSX is not exciting...

And I am glad they did not make the LFA's rival. It would have sounded super sweet with that V10, but that's definately not an NSX unless it was going to be mid-engine...

 

[NSX9]

Brilliant video, thanks for posting. Ted sure knows the product....old and new.

 

[Hothonda]

3/17/16 Short NSX factory video from "Wired"

http://www.wired.com/2016/03/go-inside-factory-acura-builds-nsx-supercar/

more info:

http://www.wired.com/2016/03/step-inside-factory-acura-crafts-nsx-supercar/

 

[fastaussie]

I never said it was my way or the only way. The NSX is mid engine supercar. The R8 is a mid engine supercar. The 458/488 are mid engine supercars. I'm comparing apples to apples not apples to oranges. Current F1 race cars are mid engine cars. Mercedes and Renault have never made mid engine super cars. That's my point. Just because a company does well in F1 does not mean it's going to translate into an exciting supercar. It should be the logical trend, but clearly is not.

For whatever reasons you don't like the new NSX, that's your freedom of opinion and I've never bagged on you closed minded outviews with Euro bias. So I'm not sure why you're still trying to rain on everyone's parade for the many people that actually do like the new NSX here. Many prospective owners have came out to discuss it and are trying to secure spots for a fair MSRP pricing but seem to have difficulties doing so because there are enough excited people who seem to not mind paying a premium. Meanwhile you're still in denial that the new NSX is not exciting...

And I am glad they did not make the LFA's rival. It would have sounded super sweet with that V10, but that's definately not an NSX unless it was going to be mid-engine...

not sure if you've been reading the same reviews as everyone else, but 90% of them are lukewarm at best. some reviewers don't think it's exciting, some question whether it's even a Supercar at all. don't be mad at me, i'm not raining on any parades, i haven't written any of the reviews.

you're assertion that a Supercar must be mid-engined is silly, and that Merc has never made one is also a bit absurd. perhaps doing a little research?