ChrisK said:Th...I have little understanding on the subject uyou guys are talkling about but just wanted to mention that
That's OK, I'm still trying to figure out how a common pan gasket relates to the harmonic balancer myself.
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That's OK, I'm still trying to figure out how a common pan gasket relates to the harmonic balancer myself.
sjs said:
Well, I just remember a lot of conversation about this before and in the other threads there was a mention about it. That's all
Does it justify that we need to keep our stock pulley ...no Does it help with making a choice in what is what with certain kits...then yes.I didn't realize that I was going to start a big controversy with my simple observation. I just thought it was a bit of information that might be useful to any potential BBSC buyers. Since nobody brought it to my attention and it isn't mentioned anywhere on the website. Some may care and some may not, but remember knowledge is power and the more we have the better we all are. I guess the designers didn't feel it necessary to go into great detail about the kit with respect to the things that would be changed or modified from OEM.
KGP said:
Wow, is that 8 ribs? Of course we can't tell from that pic if it is also a harmonic balancer, but that's very unlikely for a limited production custom pulley.
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I guess the designers didn't feel it necessary to go into great detail about the kit with respect to the things that would be changed or modified from OEM.
On a scale of one to ten, if something as radical as forced induction to increase HP by over 50% is a "ten", then a minor detail such as splines vs a keyway is a "one", "two" at most.
On a scale of one to ten, if something as radical as forced induction to increase HP by over 50% is a "ten", then a minor detail such as splines vs a keyway is a "one", "two" at most.
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That's OK, I'm still trying to figure out how a common pan gasket relates to the harmonic balancer myself.
Just an idea.....if the oil pan gasket is the same, then the bottom of the block is the same. If the bottom of the block is the same, then the crank journals may be the same. If the crank journals are the same, then the crankshaft may be the same. If the crank is the same, then the HB may be the same or related.
Just an idea.....if the oil pan gasket is the same, then the bottom of the block is the same. If the bottom of the block is the same, then the crank journals may be the same. If the crank journals are the same, then the crankshaft may be the same. If the crank is the same, then the HB may be the same or related.
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I feel like Adam when Eve took a rib. Look closely at the picture on the left ..... No ribs
I feel like Adam when Eve took a rib. Look closely at the picture on the left ..... No ribs
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How can you say that? Are you referring to the mounting splines or the ribs on the large circumference of the pulley. The ribs are clearly shown in the top picture.chudson1549 said:
Just trying to help people know what to expect out of the BBSC when they are looking to buy it. Nothing more, nothing less.
I really don't believe that. Andy called it dead on. You made an assumption and took the opportunity to make a "statement."
92NSX said:Just trying to help people know what to expect out of the BBSC when they are looking to buy it. Nothing more, nothing less.
I think you just have a major hard on for the BBSC and are picking it apart any chance you get. Do you look at the Comptech or Group M SC through the same magnifying glass?
KGP said:
The splines guys, the splines geez
I am usually not one to get in the middle of these discussions but there are no splines on the end of the NSX crankshaft or any other Honda crankshaft that I have seen and I have worked on them for 22 years. The keyway milled into the crank is what holds the balancer or pulley in place. The reason there are ribs on the inside of the stock pulley is so when you take the bolt off the balancer will come off easier. If you have ever taken one off you would notice that it pulls right off most of the time when the bolt is removed. Occasionally they get stuck but you can tap on them with a mallet and work them off. Wether a pulley from a FI kit has those ribs is no big deal if it has the right inside diameter.
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What the hell are you talking about?? I had mine before you had yours!!! That is a pretty childish little statement to make though. I guess because I have expressed concerns about certain parts and problems with the system then I am such a bad guy.MiamieNeSeX said:
For your sake I hope nothing goes wrong with yours, but if it does then maybe you will get a taste of what I went thru. Until that point in time, you need to lay off me.
Just for the record, I don't care about the CT or GM because I didn't purchase one of them and have it destroy my car!! If I had then yes, I would be doing the same thing. You just don't like it because I'm questioning certain aspects of the kit which you think is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
BTW, I'm not the only one who has had a engine rebuild, just he only one who has spoken about it.
Now you see, if someone would've come in at the very beginning of this and stated something nice, polite explained it like that, this whole little argument wouldn't have happened.PettittsAuto said:
Thank you Bruce, I appreciate that.
Amen to that. Might be the right time to knock on some wood, Armando.92NSX said:
Bruce, good point!!! I completely missed that despite having taken them off more than once. 
Too caught up in the harmonic balancer part of the discussion I guess.
Meanwhile, people should lay off 92NSX. As far as I'm concerned he has been more than reserved in his comments to-date given his personal experience. If there's a little edge to his "voice" when it comes to the BBSC it's for plenty good reason, so deal with it. The slight negative bias in his posts couldn't begin to offset the overbearingly and often blind positive bias that many people display about their favorite mods, so who's doing the community a service here and who is really doing a disservice? Bet you can guess what I think.
Too caught up in the harmonic balancer part of the discussion I guess. Meanwhile, people should lay off 92NSX. As far as I'm concerned he has been more than reserved in his comments to-date given his personal experience. If there's a little edge to his "voice" when it comes to the BBSC it's for plenty good reason, so deal with it. The slight negative bias in his posts couldn't begin to offset the overbearingly and often blind positive bias that many people display about their favorite mods, so who's doing the community a service here and who is really doing a disservice? Bet you can guess what I think.
Why should we have to deal with a constant "edge" to one's posts...even after the situation was resolved?
Even in 92NSX's signature we have to now be reminded that he has a "N/A" car.
Frankly, it just gets tiring and makes this forum a less pleasant place to visit.
Even in 92NSX's signature we have to now be reminded that he has a "N/A" car.
Frankly, it just gets tiring and makes this forum a less pleasant place to visit.
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You mean besides the bit about free speech? I didn't say you have to enjoy it, or even read his posts (which is entirely in your control), I just said back off the harassment. I'm sure we can all think of things and/or people that if eliminated would make this a more pleasant place to visit. So what? And the reference to his signature line is just plain silly.
C'mon guys, I respect you and your opinions on car stuff, but the best you can hope to accomplish with this is to further stir the pot. So just leave it alone until you spoil my visit. 
92NSX said:
Your right but you are the one that keeps binging it up
Pushing these motors to their limits is basically pushing the envelope. Knowing that , when something catastrophic happens we all need to bite the bullet, But I beleive that MB has stood behind is product. So why cry over spilt milk specially if you didnt have to pay to clean it up?.
As far as knocking on wood KGP if my motor blows up for whatever reason you can beleive I wont be finding a ton of excuses to point fingers. I f i wanted turn key with no problems Ill drive my wifes 03 N/A Accord Coupe lol
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That's certainly your prerogative, and I do appreciate your position. Might even score some brownie points with some folks.MiamieNeSeX said:
However, your position makes it neither right nor wrong. In my eyes an “excuse” does not equate to a known or exposed flaw within a product that has caused catastrophic damage. I believe that people are also perfectly within their right to take into consideration not only what a vendor states by warranty, but also things that a supplier/vendor has claimed, whether it’s a statement that they are 100% confident in a product, that they stand behind it 100%, or that they will make something right because their name is associated with it should it go wrong. I'm not saying a blanket warranty is justified in any and every situation, but when a product is released and it turns out to be flawed then yes, that company can be held accountable should the consumer choose, which in your case – you would give a pass. In the case of 92nsx, the vendor party did step up and make things right, and that’s a hell of a lot more than many suppliers/vendors would do. Mucho applause! However, making it right doesn't necessarily replace lost time with the car or reduce the agony that they went through, whatever that may have been. Further, “agony” is subjective and will vary from person to person, and to argue against only opens the door for speculation and conjecture in yours, mine and others eyes. In the case of 92nsx he chooses to do what he has done on the forum, and has the right to do so as long as he plays by the forum rules. Doesn’t mean you or anyone else has to like it, and each and every person can draw their own conclusions as to his motive. Does it mean that the vendor owes him more? Certainly not. Rather, it’s an unfortunate situation that must be lived with, by each party.
Since I’ve already pretty much opened the proverbial can, and because I think we all know what we are talking about, I feel it necessary to go on record with some of my feelings; I believe MB is huge asset to our community. He goes out of his way to offer help to those in need, taking phone calls from and providing a helping hand to people who have never spent a dime with him. He has offered to have me in his home, and that was before he personally met me. On the other hand, some people have had problems with their BBSC, and because MB can’t be in every place at one time, responses and/or a resolution has been a challenge for some. MB is well liked – I think we all know that, and because of that he (IMO) has gotten off a bit easy in terms of public comment. Gotten off easy in terms of his additional workload created, or the pain and agony that he personally feels? Hell no.
No name calling here and I’m not judging anyone. Just some honest dialog and I welcome the responses. I even hope to hear from Andy!
Armando, better cut out the "N/A" part. Gonna get Jimbo worked up again.MiamieNeSeX said:
KGP said:That's certainly your prerogative, and I do appreciate your position. Might even score some brownie points with some folks.
I'm not saying a blanket warranty is justified in any and every situation, but when a product is released and it turns out to be flawed then yes, that company can be held accountable should the consumer choose, which in your case – you would give a pass. In the case of 92nsx, the vendor party did step up and make things right, and that’s a hell of a lot more than many suppliers/vendors would do. Mucho applause! However, making it right doesn't necessarily replace lost time with the car or reduce the agony that they went through, whatever that may have been. Further, “agony” is subjective and will vary from person to person, and to argue against only opens the door for speculation and conjecture in yours, mine and others eyes. In the case of 92nsx he chooses to do what he has done on the forum, and has the right to do so as long as he plays by the forum rules. Doesn’t mean you or anyone else has to like it, and each and every person can draw their own conclusions as to his motive. Does it mean that the vendor owes him more? Certainly not. Rather, it’s an unfortunate situation that must be lived with, by each party.
Since I’ve already pretty much opened the proverbial can, and because I think we all know what we are talking about, I feel it necessary to go on record with some of my feelings; I believe MB is huge asset to our community. He goes out of his way to offer help to those in need, taking phone calls from and providing a helping hand to people who have never spent a dime with him. He has offered to have me in his home, and that was before he personally met me. On the other hand, some people have had problems with their BBSC, and because MB can’t be in every place at one time, responses and/or a resolution has been a challenge for some. MB is well liked – I think we all know that, and because of that he (IMO) has gotten off a bit easy in terms of public comment. Gotten off easy in terms of his additional workload created, or the pain and agony that he personally feels? Hell no.
No name calling here and I’m not judging anyone. Just some honest dialog and I welcome the responses. I even hope to hear from Andy!
Armando, better cut out the "N/A" part. Gonna get Jimbo worked up again.
I agree and I guess enough said . Ill think about dropping the N/A off the Accord..............
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