Not to be political but +1:biggrin:
Seems like most people here just want Honda to keep making what they did in the 80's and 90's. Anything "new" is crap.
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Not to be political but +1:biggrin:
Seems like most people here just want Honda to keep making what they did in the 80's and 90's. Anything "new" is crap.
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Exactly. It's a design exercise. Honda designing mid-engined cars is something we should be jumping for joy about. If they continue to refine it and slant the nose a bit, add some intakes for the engine to the rear, an integrated spoiler, and we're off to the races.
I also have to agree that some of us, are hoping that Honda would return to the days of CRXs, Preludes and the NSX. The company has to move forward, and I like this car as a Honda concept. A touch of heritage is good though, so keep some design cues from the original NSX and I'm a happy camper.
Truthfully, with the amount of wasted talent combined with the passion for the NSX on this forum alone, Honda/Acura should have just held a competiton for the car design, made it in to a reality show and the winner's design for the NSX replacement gets built.
LOL Quote from an 80's movie:wink:
The "new kids" that grew-up with Playstation (and learned to drive playing x-box games)... dreamed of a car that looks like the "square box" console they played their games on
Funny, how back in the 80's and 90's we demanded some "art" in our dream cars :biggrin:
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The "new kids" that grew-up with Playstation (and learned to drive playing x-box games)... dreamed of a car that looks like the "square box" console they played their games on
Funny, how back in the 80's and 90's we demanded some "art" in our dream cars :biggrin:
See that's the problem though Bats the new Ferraris don't look as good as the old ones either. The more aerodynamic things become the less curvy they are. But things must change well except the 911:biggrin: J/K
I can't believe they get away with it.
True, they do get away with it. But that is only becuase 99% of the people who buy any 911 variant drive it like it was a Toyota Camry for commuting them to and from work. Ignorance is truly bliss in this instance.
And that is good because no matter what Porsche has done in the past 30 odd years to "improve" the handling of the car, the fact remains that the engine hanging behind the rear axle is just waiting to flip the car around at the hands of the uninitiated.
I cannot understand why Porsche insists on keeping those two ridiculous so called rear two seats when they should just make use of the space and move the engine just ahead of the rear axle. It will retain its current shape that is so dear to so many and yet will have the superb handling of the Boxster/Caymen.
I find the discussion of the 911 very interesting now that I own one.
Porsche's evolution of the 911 is exactly what we want Honda/Acura to do with the NSX. I grant you that Clarkson is right when he says that Porsche has the laziest design studio in cardom, but they also have the most profitable car company in the world.
PS. Modern 911's handle brilliantly. Completly different than a NSX in feel, but brilliant.
Porsche's evolution of the 911 is exactly what we want Honda/Acura to do with the NSX. I grant you that Clarkson is right when he says that Porsche has the laziest design studio in cardom, but they also have the most profitable car company in the world.
PS. Modern 911's handle brilliantly. Completly different than a NSX in feel, but brilliant.
This is so true! Whenever I hear guys explaining how the NSX should have evolved over the years ( most still wish it had flip up headlights
) I instantly think of the 911.
While it is even possible to design a true rear midengine configuration combined with a real 2 + 2 cockpit. This is why I prefer the Ferrari Mondial ( in its later versions ).
And look how exciting this car could look when you do the right modifications:
( this gives you an idea of my new project; I recently bought a red/tan coupe ... )
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I agree.... it just seems that car design has shifted from "Italian art" to "Industrial design"
Damn design schools...what are they teaching these kids?
Honda Veyron?
I'd keep the seating position in the middle though. That's hot. Me in the middle, bitches on each side. McClaren style. :biggrin:
I'd keep the seating position in the middle though. That's hot. Me in the middle, bitches on each side. McClaren style. :biggrin:
No, I just think the engineering and finances have become too powerful and won't allow for a good looking design. I mean if all you care about is how fast and efficient a car can be for X amount of dollars, then there is no priority of making a car that connects with a human being, iow, design a drop dead gorgeous car. You would have to be a robot to appreciate a car such as this.
The ones that calls the shots are the ones handling the money and they obviously felt like the design work (a design that was skinned up after the engineers had their way) was good looking or acceptable. So blame the ones that are approving or giving the OK for these designs.
It boils down to whether you are a form over function or function over form type. Each of us has an innate preference in this regard.
But it gets a little more interesting when one considers whether this preference is for just admiring a car or whether actual purchase is involved.
For the same car, if we are looking at all its FUNCTIONAL qualities (including engineering, reliability, performance) and FORM (the way it looks), we may decide for or against depending on whether it was a decision that would lead to actual purchase or if we were just looking at the car as in impartial judge.
For me, in the past and now, FUNCTION has always been slightly more important than FORM. And for me, FUNCTION does not mean the 0-60 or quarter mile or the top speed alone, rather it also means how well the car was put together, the quality of materials, the attention to detail and reliability etc. The NSX was a car that spoke to me equally well for form and function. Few cars can boast of this rare quality.
The next HONDA halo car, for me at least, should be good looking BUT it need not necessarily be better looking or even be the equal of the gorgeous NSX (how many cars are?), but it MUST be a better car in every other measurable quality.
If Ferrari stopped the introduction of every other Ferrari since the GTO for instance or any other glorious looking F car of the past they would not have the spectacularly capable F430 of today. Few would argue that the F430 is better looking than any number of Ferraris of the past but almost no one would disagree that the current Ferraris are the best sports/GT cars that Ferrari has ever made.
We must apply that same reasoning with HONDA as it works on bringing us, the HONDA enthusiasts, another car with performance at its heart. A heart that beats with the superb engineering that HONDA is known for.:smile:
But it gets a little more interesting when one considers whether this preference is for just admiring a car or whether actual purchase is involved.
For the same car, if we are looking at all its FUNCTIONAL qualities (including engineering, reliability, performance) and FORM (the way it looks), we may decide for or against depending on whether it was a decision that would lead to actual purchase or if we were just looking at the car as in impartial judge.
For me, in the past and now, FUNCTION has always been slightly more important than FORM. And for me, FUNCTION does not mean the 0-60 or quarter mile or the top speed alone, rather it also means how well the car was put together, the quality of materials, the attention to detail and reliability etc. The NSX was a car that spoke to me equally well for form and function. Few cars can boast of this rare quality.
The next HONDA halo car, for me at least, should be good looking BUT it need not necessarily be better looking or even be the equal of the gorgeous NSX (how many cars are?), but it MUST be a better car in every other measurable quality.
If Ferrari stopped the introduction of every other Ferrari since the GTO for instance or any other glorious looking F car of the past they would not have the spectacularly capable F430 of today. Few would argue that the F430 is better looking than any number of Ferraris of the past but almost no one would disagree that the current Ferraris are the best sports/GT cars that Ferrari has ever made.
We must apply that same reasoning with HONDA as it works on bringing us, the HONDA enthusiasts, another car with performance at its heart. A heart that beats with the superb engineering that HONDA is known for.:smile:
I agree.... it just seems that car design has shifted from "Italian art" to "Industrial design"
Damn design schools...what are they teaching these kids?
Ever think that maybe the vacuum cleaner guys are inspired by the cars and trying to inject a little spark in their product:biggrin:
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Like I said it an eariler post, stop living in 1988. The 911 is a great car and Porsche shouldn't change it. That's why they made the Cayman. And those "usless" rear seats really come in handy. You can fit a baby seat back there or a small child. I just had a 6 year old in the back of mine last week and he fit perfectly.
If you look at the numbers that the GT2 puts up then you can appreciate what the 911 platform is capable of doing. Not to mention Ruff variants. The 911 platform can be modded to handle just as well as any car out there on the market.
The truth is that us people who drive on the street period will not need our sports car to do what they were truly intended to do, so in the grand scheme of things, the 911 handles just fine for me.
The second you step foot into the race world, everything changes. People mod their car, strip out seats, take out AC and radios, etc. Then it's no longer a normal car. So whats your point about people driving the cars like Camrys? Either you are a street driver or a race car driver. I'm not fronting, I'm no race car driver. I drive on a street with a speed limit and emission standards. There is no time attack between my house and the airport. What about yourself?
Hmmm...you know I think I would actually vacuum more if I had one of these
<img src="http://www.vf2ss.com/transfer/coolvacuum.jpg" border="0"/>
Hmmm...you know I think I would actually vacuum more if I had one of these
<img src="http://www.vf2ss.com/transfer/coolvacuum.jpg" border="0"/>
Damn that baby would look for stuff to vacuum.
I'm always trying to find the balance trackable and street driving. It's like exhausts on the NSX. Some people always want a lighter weight really loud exhaust ,but then you have to drive 12 hours sometimes to a track event you r ready to throw that sh*t off the side of the road after awhile
It's a tough balance and for all the guys who say I can mod my car to out perform this or that street car remember that the street car was designed to be easy to live with as a DD.
So we know the ASCC was a reach at best to the NSX lover. This is also a reach, but the NSX was a reach when it first hit showrooms in '91 where I live. I think the refinement of the exterior of the prototype-to production model, to make it a bit more practical, will get a lot of buy in, from those of us who are really fans of the NSX. The specs could be what puts this car over the top. I don't know what Honda is planning, but it's conceivable this car could be a ZR1/Gallardo competitor with a ZR1-ish price. I don't think the market is ready for the 3 seat option, so the marketing people will probably shoot it down, and get it back to two seats before it hits showrooms. This car definitely has potential. It will be interesting to see where Honda goes with this...
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I think that this car is just a design exercise for Honda. I'm not too worried about it.
I still think that Honda has lost their way. And as much as I respect Nissan for bringing back the 4DSC, R35, G37, and 370Z, I still don't like them the way that I USED to like Honda.
Honda used to really be kick ass. I hope that they get back on track in the near future. This round has gone to Nissan.
I still think that Honda has lost their way. And as much as I respect Nissan for bringing back the 4DSC, R35, G37, and 370Z, I still don't like them the way that I USED to like Honda.
Honda used to really be kick ass. I hope that they get back on track in the near future. This round has gone to Nissan.
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