Nuremburg Ring and NSX times
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You mean the Nurbergring? I know an NA2-R model with revised coilovers did it in 7'56", there is a video of an NA1-R doing it in 8'03"...
Nevermind I found it thanks,
Carl
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40797&highlight=N%FCrburgring
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I've heard that the 7.56 sec. for NA2 NSX-R is not completely right, because they don't drive the whole track. I read that one should add some extra seconds.
If Corvette Z06 can go around that track in 7.45's, I really hope next gen. NSX is aiming below 7.45 min. The new 911 GT3 (997) is also around the 7.45 min. time.
The funny thing is that for just a few years ago, sub-8 minute times were hypercar territory.
We must remember that The Ring favours cars with much power too. It's not just corners.
Even if the NSX-R NA2 did a 8 minute time, that is very impressive. Just think of Caymann S and Evo 9 (IX). Both have 8.11 times and have approx the same weight and power.
If Corvette Z06 can go around that track in 7.45's, I really hope next gen. NSX is aiming below 7.45 min. The new 911 GT3 (997) is also around the 7.45 min. time.
The funny thing is that for just a few years ago, sub-8 minute times were hypercar territory.
We must remember that The Ring favours cars with much power too. It's not just corners.
Even if the NSX-R NA2 did a 8 minute time, that is very impressive. Just think of Caymann S and Evo 9 (IX). Both have 8.11 times and have approx the same weight and power.
The German magazine Sport Auto tests cars monthly at the Nürburgring using the same driver so that the lap times of the cars can be validly compared to each other. The driver has held the lap record for production cars on occasion, so he's pretty good. Not as good as top-notch professional race car drivers, but still good.
Attached are the lap times for everything they have tested to date. Hockenheim is the Formula 1 circuit at Hockenheim, Nordschleife is the Nürburgring, and Ausgabe is the magazine issue in which the car was tested.
So, a 2002 NSX-R is about as fast around the circuit as a 1999 360 Modena. A stock 1997 NSX is as fast as... Well, let's just say stock is too slow.
Attached are the lap times for everything they have tested to date. Hockenheim is the Formula 1 circuit at Hockenheim, Nordschleife is the Nürburgring, and Ausgabe is the magazine issue in which the car was tested.
So, a 2002 NSX-R is about as fast around the circuit as a 1999 360 Modena. A stock 1997 NSX is as fast as... Well, let's just say stock is too slow.
Gotta love Sabine Schmidt tearing up the Ring in a Ford Transit Van.
http://www.topgear.com/content/timetoburn/sections/videos/18/chooseconnection.html
http://www.topgear.com/content/timetoburn/sections/videos/18/chooseconnection.html
clr1024 said:They have the nissan 350Z running at 8.26 and the NSX at 8.38 is that right, seems like it should be the other way around to me. NSX has better power to weight ratio and better suspension.
The old time of 8:38 with the NSX is from a long time ago. I remember that Best Motoring was already running times like 8:17 on the Ring back in 1991 and that was with the old 15" and 16" wheels. I also remember one driver doing 8:03 on the Ring with the first NSX Type-R which was, at that time, 5 seconds FASTER than Porsches best test-driver was doing in the Porsche 911 Turbo.
MvM said:
So you are saying that this driver that they used to bench mark cars, clocked an 8:38 in 97 in a 97 NSX while back in a 91 in a 91 NSX someone ran an 8:16, thats a HUGE difference. So the question is how accurate are these times in relation to one another?
clr1024 said:
AFAIK, the times from Sportauto Magazine all mostly from one and the same driver. Also, these times are from various periods which means at the Ring they were driven on different types of road surface and probably also at different times of the year.
And apart from that, one can and/or should also consider the familiarity one has with different types of cars. So you have one driver who has clocked countless laps in all kinds of Porsches and BMW's and then finds himself in a right-hand drive mid-engined NSX-R and does a 8:09 on the ring. Would it not be possible that his times might be just that little bit slower than possible because of sitting on the 'wrong' side of the car??
Personally, I have always been just a little surprised of German car magazines when testing the NSX (not counting a few exceptions). One test of a 97+ NSX for example showed a 0-160 kph (100 mph) of 13.5 seconds while I have run considerably faster in my own '94 (with the smaller 3.0 engine).
It's spelled Nürburgring, and it's named after the small nearby town of Nurburg. This is not to be confused with Nuremberg, the German city where war crime trials were held following the end of World War II.Nihilation said:
These times are not very acurate. They just give an idea. As said, they have been realised at different times. I think there can easily be a 10s difference depending on temperature and other climatic variables on a 22 km track.
Hugh said:
haha, man I love that vid... as for lap times, The NSX is close to the Carrera. Not bad at all.
Cameron said:
Unfortunately, the NSX is more like the Boxster's (986 and 986S) time than it is to the 996. Not a very impressive showing, BUT you have to consider that the NSX is still a pretty old car compared to those from a chassis dynamics standpoint.
I'd like to see how the 1991 NSX fared against the 1991 Porsche Carrera (964's) which basically were introduced the same year (give or take a few months).
The Model T was a great car when it was introduced too. Would you want to drive one today?
NSX's are still good cars, stop trying to make them seem great by bringing up stats from 15 years ago! Ive chosen an NSX over a 996 100% of the time
NSX's are still good cars, stop trying to make them seem great by bringing up stats from 15 years ago! Ive chosen an NSX over a 996 100% of the time
BioBanker said:The Model T was a great car when it was introduced too. Would you want to drive one today?
NSX's are still good cars, stop trying to make them seem great by bringing up stats from 15 years ago! Ive chosen an NSX over a 996 100% of the time
I'm just trying to get an apples to apples comparison, based on the technology of the day.
I've owned a 986, a 996, a 996TT, and now the NSX (besides a bunch of other things in between). Of them all, the NSX is the least sophisticated of the group, naturally, but I like it for what it is. I have no preconceived notions that it'll ever be as fast as the 996TT, or the point and shoot of the 996 or 986 just due to the technology changing over 10 years. What it is to me is a supercar of it's day, and that's what I'd like to know more about.
Speaking of lap times...I am about to run Watkins Glen on the weekend of June 17-18th in the HSR vintage event..I am running a near stock 92 with Tein RA suspension 17/18 wheels with Pilot Sport Cup tires and only mild intake exhaust mods..any idea of NSX lap times there from some previous events? They have me in Group 9, class c14 which means I am running against 12 and 14" wide slicks shod, late model Porsche Carrera Cup cars with over 400 horsepower!
I'll see if I can dig the article out, but the 1997 time was done in my car 
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