What offerings? Honda/Acura has no high-end sedan or high-end sports car on the market today. Let me repeat from my previous email - I AGREE with you that Honda is well run. I opined that 99% of their product portfilio is spot-on but their handling of high-end vehicles is quite poor. If it wasn't, we'd be talking about how great the 3rd gen NSX is and looking forward to the 4th gen coming out next year.
I'm honestly not being a smart alec when I say all of their cars be they Honda or Acura are their offerings.
Why does Honda need High end vehicles when people only wish to pay so much for a Honda product not matter how well engineered or designed it is?
People like midlevel vehicles from Honda and they usually compete very well in their respective classes and by dollar value.
I'm not angry at Honda - if they don't want to make a high HP vehicle, that's fine with me. But they have been TALKING about taking on Ferrari and Aston Martin for years now with nothing to show for it.
Not true they did have a vehicle to show for it but due to economic climate have decided not put to market until things improve. True few people cared for it but even if Honda had made the R8 it would be spit on. Honda seemingly cannot win with people who bought their cars in the 90's.
I was at the very first NSXPO - the VP of Acura told us that a new NSX was coming out by 2000. Honda has talked and talked up a new NSX for 10 years with nothing to show. I think that is what makes the customers vocal and unruly. In the higher-end sports car segment, Honda has been a lousy competitor for the past 10-12 years - they basically stopped competing and gave up on the market all together.
No matter what they presented people weren't happy and they couldn't get out of the shadow of the original NSX. Plus to make a competitive car Honda would have to go over the $100k mark and really don't think they have much support their because most people will say "You paid how much for a Honda"
Best thing they could do was give up on that market.
What sense does it make to be vocal and unruly when you can just move on and show a business that your no longer supporting them. Which Honda has shown that they obviously don't mind.
I re-repeat. Honda Accord, Civic, Odyssey and Fit rule their markets - Honda is to be congratulated for making cars buyers want and sell well as a result. As you know, the sales of the NSX slowed to a handful of units per month during the peak of the performance car boom. The same is true for the new-gen RL - sales fell consistently month over month in 2006 and 2007 when competitor sales grew and grew during the same period. Same thing with the S2000 - it was in a sales nose-dive well before the 2008 automotive market crash.
Exactly. Not core products why continue to invest heavily in cars that are losing money. I've no idea why they continue with the RL and the MMC made no sense to me but I don't run a car company. S2K was/is an old platform and it's good that Honda is finally discontinuing it w/o replacement. Hopefully they'll do the same for the RL.
Poor sales should make companies change - so as sales got progressively worse for the NSX from 1996 thru 2005, Honda didn't change a thing. 10 HP, 1 gear and a couple of body panels not withstanding. NSX sales dropped basically to zero during the period when Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, Aston Martin and Corvette sales grew tremendously. That inaction is what makes most of us scream.
Sports cars aren't Hondas primary market they could sell everything else they make w/o ever having had the NSX.
Whats there to scream about it's a car you just find something else you like and Honda loses the business. Honestly how is that such a big deal. We're talking adults not children. Children are the ones who scream when they don't get what they want.
You and others are intelligent and successful people who continue with no dead horse left to beat. It's beneath you. Only crazy people do/say the same thing over and over and expect different results. You and the others aren't crazy.
Honda doesn't have anything you like and your through with them but why tell those of us that are still interested this over and over
BTW, one can be critical of Honda and a fan/supporter/enthuiast at the same time. I am certain that there are pleny of Honda engineers and managers were highly critical of the lack of investment given to the NSX program for its last 10 years on the market.
How can you not like anything a company does and still be a fan
.
How can you support someone you have no faith in that's fruitless
If they're not doing anything that appeals to you what are you enthusiastic about
Honestly so many of you guys have become anti fans but don't seem to realize it. It's become the thing to do to jump in and bash anything Honda does and this is on their fan sites ..LOL
Oh come on TC they're employees and employees are almost always critical:wink:
