NSX CA and Dali Racing sent emails to California X'ers. They ask for information like the..... VIN #? Legitimate or subscriber beware? Why is that needed?
Danny RED SR 71
REPEAL V.C. 22351
Danny RED SR 71
REPEAL V.C. 22351
Nsx Ca
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This is an infringment upon the NSXCA trademarks and is being used to interfere with the national club and will be dealt with accordingly in a legal setting. There is no relationship with the only recognized legal entity, specifically the NSXCA, Inc., and it is a misleading attempt to obtain personal information for use by only a few individuals. Provide personal information at your own risk.
dyee said:
Wow,
Lets see? This is a NSX of California List and you need to own an NSX to Join or be a part of the list. What would you do to prove ownership?
It looks like there is a red nsx is the picture is it yours Prove It. Would you send a copy of the registration or the pink slip? I think not so a VIN # would do just fine. JMO
Look at this registration form and how much they ask for.
http://www.nsxca.org/nsxca/join/nsxca_registration_form.pdf
This is a legitmate list for California Only Nsx Owners to keep in touch with what is happening in Ca.
RSO 34 said:
You need to check out this link also. With the California list you are giving this.
http://nsx-ca.org/member/join
less information than this.
http://www.nsxca.org/nsxca/join/nsxca_registration_form.pdf
Also you live in NY and and this is a California Only List. We want to keep nsx owners in our state up to date and informed at all times. Also the NSXCA has shut down the lists as you know. So other than NSX Prime there will be silence and in California where there is more NSX's than any other state and that just won't due.
JMO
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Here's what I'll try, a partial VIN # the first 4 and the last 4. Let's see if that's acceptable. If I give that much info along w/ the year you should be able to figure out the rest. The NSX repair manual has the meaning of the VIN #. :smile:
Danny RED SR 71
REPEAL V.C. 22351
Danny RED SR 71
REPEAL V.C. 22351
RSO 34 said:
Seems like someone is taking their car club a little too far...
SMGNSX said:
I realize that there are some Californians are of the opinion that they are the center of the universe and do not need to recognize anyone outside their state. Quite frankly, I do not care what happens in California unless and until it infringes upon the trademarks and rights of the only legal entity in the United States authorized to use the name "NSXCA". (Except of course if there is another successful NSXPO bid where this time I get to track the NSX at Laguna Seca to add to my great memories of Infineon).
The lists had to be shut down because of multiple posting violations by one of the very persons now subject to legal action because of the improper and illegal use of the NSXCA name. You can blame your own California "representatives" for that gift to their membership.
Personally, I have never understood the mentality of many of the left coasters and their apparent need to isolate themselves from the rest of the national organization. Not only do only a few members support national events such as NSXPO, but they failed to turn out in any real support when it was held in California in 2003.
There had been talk on Prime about an "NSXPO West" this year ( http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76306) and even a suggestion that a small group might be able to somehow lure Mr. Uehara from his attendance at NSXPO in Florida. It is readily apparent that there are a few who would rather live in this isolated existence and you are free to do whatever you like and join/not join any group you like as well. However, in doing so you are not permitted to infringe upon the legal rights of the national organization which is the only one licensed to use certain names, terms and logos.
Consider also that one of the main backers of this effort is Dali Racing/Mark Johnson who is probably the biggest offender historically for ripping off NSX owners outside of California in addition to overseas. It is probably no coincidence that he has been unable to attend any NSXCA national events such as NSXPO because of his unwillingness to reimburse the many members who are owed money. You are welcome to keep him in California but that does not mean that he will be permitted to infringe upon the rights of the NSXCA.
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scorp965 said:Seems like someone is taking their car club a little too far...
This "car club" is a non-profit corporation subject to all of the applicable laws of any other United States corporation. The NSXCA holds licenses to use certain terms and logos as permitted by American Honda and has rights and obligations as any other corporate entity to protect its identity and marks.
RSO 34 said:
Underwear a little to tight today?
Dude... Step back and take a deep breath.
I was at nsxpo 03 and there were quite a few form Ca. Yes it was nice to
see others from around the country. Good event.
I almost went to Arazona but couldn't get the time off from work.
Flordia was to far away. Yes I think this should moved around the country to give everyone a chance to attend.
Looking forward to Portland.
Later,
Don
nsxnut said:
I agree there were quite a few "locals" at NSXPO 2003 but overall when you look at the numbers of owners in California I was surprised there was not a larger turnout. I realize that California is a large state but it appeared that Southern California was under-represented considering the large population of owners.
I also agree it was a great event but I expected more Californians would take advantage of the location. I also feel the same way about the number of Texans in 2002 and Floridians in 2006.
And I, too, am looking forward to Portland in 2008 after first having another great event in Ohio in 2007.
RSO 34 said:
Californa is a pritty long state. For someone in San Diago to attend would 500+ miles each way...maybe much. Those who are local to San Jose, San Francisco, Sacramento... The distance thing doesn't hold water. Yea I agree more should have attended.
I am an avid track nut... I trailer my car to the track with my big rv/trailer and big ass truck.
I would like to go to mid ohio... but can't due to the distance.
Probably take a week each way and a week for nsxpo.
Portland... well I want to go. I hear portland is a great track!
A long day each way.... Ok.
Good to hear you will go as well. We need to get more to show up.
One of the strengths of the NSXCA - NSX Club of America - is that it's a national organization. This should unite us, rather than dividing us. The annual NSXPO event, in particular, is a joy to attend every year. Locals should attend, not only to enjoy the fun, but also to show their local pride. And at NSXPO, everyone can look forward to seeing old friends (from all over the country) as well as making new ones. Each year, I look forward to seeing folks from California like Claus and Shirley and Gil and Donna and Tom and Siew-Pheng and Steve and Sandi and Greg (who drove my car at NSXPO 2006) and many, many others. The same is true with the folks from Florida and the Southeast, and New York and the Northeast, and my homies here in Chicago and the Midwest, and on and on.
Now, I gotta go work on all the new sign-ups for the January 13 dinner cruise in Long Beach (SoCal), because John is eagerly waiting for the updated list...
Now, I gotta go work on all the new sign-ups for the January 13 dinner cruise in Long Beach (SoCal), because John is eagerly waiting for the updated list...
I attended in 03. Californians could be working more to pay for the great year round weather, high gasoline and elec bills and the earthquakes :biggrin: Track days are during the week, so I'm definitely sure that that had an impact. BTW, I was only able to attend on the weekend.
ANYTIME said:
Aside from the earthquakes (and some Hollywood blockbusters that are a waste of celluloid and two hours of my life that I will never get back), I have always enjoyed Cali over the years and am envious of the climate. Here in the Northeast, my NSX gets garaged from November-ish through early April on an average year. We have such a short track season around here that we track rats are used to driving 500 miles roundtrip just to get in a couple of days here and there.
RSO 34 said:
No dought... I have lived here all my life. For thankgiving hauled the trailer, dogs etc... down to palm springs and visited my dad and sister. Have another Sister in Fulsom Just east of Sac.
New Jersey Turnpike LOL.... My wife is from PA. We went back to visit a while ago... We were stuck for hours...
Later,
Don
:biggrin:
Cha ching!!!!
nsxtasy said:One of the strengths of the NSXCA - NSX Club of America - is that it's a national organization. This should unite us, rather than dividing us. The annual NSXPO event, in particular, is a joy to attend every year. Locals should attend, not only to enjoy the fun, but also to show their local pride. And at NSXPO, everyone can look forward to seeing old friends (from all over the country) as well as making new ones. Each year, I look forward to seeing folks from California like Claus and Shirley and Gil and Donna and Tom and Siew-Pheng and Steve and Sandi and Greg (who drove my car at NSXPO 2006) and many, many others. The same is true with the folks from Florida and the Southeast, and New York and the Northeast, and my homies here in Chicago and the Midwest, and on and on.
Now, I gotta go work on all the new sign-ups for the January 13 dinner cruise in Long Beach (SoCal), because John is eagerly waiting for the updated list...
Cha ching!!!!
RSO 34 said:
Sorry to hear it...
We are fortunate to be able to attend track events year round.
Later,
Don
RSO 34 said:
This is just an observation.RSO 34 said:
First you say, "This is an infringement upon the NSXCA trademarks and... will be dealt with accordingly in a legal setting."
Then you say, "Dali Racing/Mark Johnson who is probably the biggest offender historically for ripping off NSX owners outside of California in addition to overseas.
Besides "infringement", terms like "defamation of character" and "liable" come to mind.
nsx1 said:
Truth is an absolute defense. Do a search to find the number of Prime members who have been ripped off in case you have any doubts. Here are but a few of the reported instances:
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26211&highlight=dali+rip
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=25108
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33519&highlight=dali+problem
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23272
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24032&highlight=dali+rip
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19914
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23281&highlight=dali+problem
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35868&highlight=dali+problem
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11720&highlight=dali+problem
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43106&highlight=dali+rip
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20947
And perhaps the most glaring example of Mark's temerity in not keeping his word is his treatment of a Prime member after that member died: http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32166&highlight=dali+problem
This would also include myself who, early in my participation in the NSXCA and on Prime (as well as with Paypal), mistakenly paid for my order and had great contact with Mark until the Paypal dispute period expired at which time Mark, like with many other members, stopped corresponding. It was only because of my long history with the linked credit card company that 5 months later I was able to reverse the approximately $1000 in charges and get my money back that Mark had refused to refund when he failed to ship the order.
Now do a search to determine how many members have complained about being ripped off by the TRUE NSXCA. And that brings me back to my original point about the misleading attempt to use the NSXCA mark to identify this project by Mark with a promise that it is free to its membership. Just remember, you get what you pay for...........unless you have paid Mark before getting the product.
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We have bigger fish to fry here boys: Ken used the word "homies" in an email...
DaveG
DaveG
I never rec'd the email in question so I honestly don't know what all the hubbub is about but I'd like to offer a thought.RSO 34 said:
I live in CA and I've been a member of the NSX club of America since I bought my NSX. Money well spent, IMO. But unless I'm really reading something wrong here, what's the deal with the perpetual axe to grind with CA owners?
My Dad and I made it to NSXPO 2005 in Phoenix and had a blast. I wish I could have stayed and enjoyed the track portion but insurance... yada yada. I've posted in several areas of Prime how I thought it was a great event and how my dues to NSXCA is money well spent.
I couldn't make Florida. Honestly, it's just too much money, time, etc. and frankly too big a commitment for someone like me (ie a car enthusiast but one with other priorities). Does that warrant hostility? I don't think so.
I have the pleasure of visiting NYC at least twice a year to visit my wife's family. And I have good and bad things to say about the tri-state area but I don't think it's appropriate to go on and on bashing one state over another for what I fail to see as being a good reason.
Maybe there's more to this story. Maybe there's other forces at play. But I'm just saying that as a loyal, due paying member of the NSX Club of America I'm getting a little worn out about reading about how shitty the NSX owners in CA are.
I filled out the application, and put down my vin#. I don't know how this info could be misused. I guess it's too late anyway.
eddiensx said:I filled out the application, and put down my vin#. I don't know how this info could be misused. I guess it's too late anyway.
What's interesting is the concern over VIN for nsx-ca, but the application for nsxca also asks for the VIN, as well as a great deal of additional information, as posted above.
RSO 34 said:
Sorry to ask this question, have you personally been ripped off by MJ?
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