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Re: Spy Shots: First images of 2011 Acura NSX
Hallo
What do you think about this rear end ??
I like it
greatings ronny
Hallo
What do you think about this rear end ??
I like it
greatings ronny
Re: Spy Shots: First images of 2011 Acura NSX
I'm not! The guys here pretty much diss anything that Honda puts out.
I'm not! The guys here pretty much diss anything that Honda puts out.
Re: Spy Shots: First images of 2011 Acura NSX
Hah the facts are if they want to beat GT-R with not much bigger price they had to put SH-AWD in there and if they already did it engine had to be in front and then let it be 2+2 (which automatically disqualifies it as a supercar) and...MR car would be much more expensive because it couldnt transfer all that power so good so it should need even more power to get some seconds on straights...reality, ppl, reality. Instead of buying this put $50K in your X and you will have faster Ring car, with all driving joy and SOUL it has
Hah the facts are if they want to beat GT-R with not much bigger price they had to put SH-AWD in there and if they already did it engine had to be in front and then let it be 2+2 (which automatically disqualifies it as a supercar) and...MR car would be much more expensive because it couldnt transfer all that power so good so it should need even more power to get some seconds on straights...reality, ppl, reality. Instead of buying this put $50K in your X and you will have faster Ring car, with all driving joy and SOUL it has
Re: Spy Shots: First images of 2011 Acura NSX
Well even before the GT-R was released and before it posted such great numbers on the ring Honda said they'd be going FR with SHAWD.
I don't see why people here still have the disconnect that they we're ever going to do anything else. The NSX at this point will be Hondas only mid engine car. This car is not the next NSX it's Hondas new flagship sportscar.
If people here would put them in two different categories they wouldn't be so hard on this car.
What's so odd is that when the NSX first came out it's styling was hailed by and large as derivative by auto journalists. Yet people here act like it broke all the styling molds when it came out and it didn't. Just being honest.
Well even before the GT-R was released and before it posted such great numbers on the ring Honda said they'd be going FR with SHAWD.
I don't see why people here still have the disconnect that they we're ever going to do anything else. The NSX at this point will be Hondas only mid engine car. This car is not the next NSX it's Hondas new flagship sportscar.
If people here would put them in two different categories they wouldn't be so hard on this car.
What's so odd is that when the NSX first came out it's styling was hailed by and large as derivative by auto journalists. Yet people here act like it broke all the styling molds when it came out and it didn't. Just being honest.
Re: Come on folks, it is not the next NSX but the CRX
Simple, ALL Formula 1 cars are mid-engined :smile:
Simple, ALL Formula 1 cars are mid-engined :smile:
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I believe that the big question is how much will it cost? The new Maserati GT costs $117,000 and it's beautiful... and it's a Maserati. The 2005 NSX's were going for the upper 80's back in 2005.
I don't see this strategy working for "my" belief that people who buy exotic GT's don't care about numbers and stats like people who shop for true sports cars. The GT-R, even though it is technically a GT isn't fighting in the GT market. It is directly aimed at the sports car market.
If Honda makes a car that's more expensive than the GT-R with less performance then they are going FAIL horribly.
This car needs to be closer to $60k if they think they are going to sell any units. Making a $90k GT with "average" performace is going to be a negative.
The NSX sold because it was the GT-R of it's day. It out performed cars twice it's price, it was reliable, and it was beautiful.
This car will be able to keep up with cars twice it's price, it will be less reliable than a Porsche, and it will probably have above average looks.
I'm starting not to be excited anymore.
They should have never discontinued the NSX. Why didn't Honda just continue to improve on the car that was already there?
Re: Spy Shots: First images of 2011 Acura NSX
Im just thankful we finally have a real prototype. Videos will follow soon and im pretty sure this car is going to be a great performer and looker.
Honda guys never seem to be happy with a new design until it hits the showrooms and they actually see it in person. I work for honda and even the employees werent too keen on the new TSX, Accord, and upcoming TL based on just spy shots until the cars actually arrived.
I say we give it a fair shot.....(not like we have a choice!)
Im just thankful we finally have a real prototype. Videos will follow soon and im pretty sure this car is going to be a great performer and looker.
Honda guys never seem to be happy with a new design until it hits the showrooms and they actually see it in person. I work for honda and even the employees werent too keen on the new TSX, Accord, and upcoming TL based on just spy shots until the cars actually arrived.
I say we give it a fair shot.....(not like we have a choice!)
No longer an NSX imo...
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An interesting sidenote to the whole discussion, since the GT-R has been mentioned more than a few times.
On at least 3 separate occasions, with three separate car enthusiasts from Japan that did not know one another, when I told them I always wanted a Skyline and now the GT-R, they all said the exact same thing with regards to GT-R vs. NSX. (In a Japanese accent) "Why? You have NSX. Skyline (GT-R) is not so good. Like Mustang. NSX is true sportscar".
I thought it was interesting the perception of the Skyline (GT-R) in Japan. I guess it just doesn't have the mystique that being the forbidden fruit (until now) gives it here, since they are all over the road in Japan like Mustangs are here.
Don't get me wrong, I think the new GT-R is an amazing achievement, and I still want one. :tongue:
On at least 3 separate occasions, with three separate car enthusiasts from Japan that did not know one another, when I told them I always wanted a Skyline and now the GT-R, they all said the exact same thing with regards to GT-R vs. NSX. (In a Japanese accent) "Why? You have NSX. Skyline (GT-R) is not so good. Like Mustang. NSX is true sportscar".
I thought it was interesting the perception of the Skyline (GT-R) in Japan. I guess it just doesn't have the mystique that being the forbidden fruit (until now) gives it here, since they are all over the road in Japan like Mustangs are here.
Don't get me wrong, I think the new GT-R is an amazing achievement, and I still want one. :tongue:
Re: Come on folks, it is not the next NSX but the CRX
it seems like no one has yet answered this question.
from a performance perspective... weight distribution is absolutely critical. most people believe that a 50/50 distribution is ideal... but that is not true. 50/50 is ideal in only one situation... and that is mid-corner. at every other point it is sub optimal. a REAR-ward weight bias is advantageous for a couple of reasons:
1. it brings the center of mass closer to the center of rotation... which greatly reduces the polar moment of inertia. this makes the car more nimble.
2. i am sure you are aware that during braking, a lot of weight shift to the front wheels... which results in the rear wheels not adding much to your braking force. a rear weight bias helps to keep significant weight on the rear wheels which results in better braking performance.
3. accelerating out of a corner... once again... the additional weight over the rear wheels give better traction, allowing better power delivery.
yes, there are cars that are NOT mid-engined that can outperform mid-engine cars... but that is because they use other things (drivetrain, HP, etc) to compensate for their inferior (from a performance perspective) platform. the fact of the matter is that if everything else is roughly equal (HP, overall weight, etc) a mid-engine car will handle better than other platforms.
so does this mean that the next honda supercar MUST be mid-engined?
not necessarily. regardless of whether we think they should or not... i dont think honda is trying to built the BEST performing car in the world. we have to recognize that the NSX, as highly acclaimed as it was, ultimately did not make honda a lot of money. sure... honda is not trying to make civic/accord level sales with their flagship car... but it would be nice (from the company's perspective) to have a car that is able to sell better.
so perhaps from that perspective, their design changes make sense. there are practical drawbacks to a MR layout... reduced cabin and trunk/storage space. it certainly appears that honda is taking this car the GT route (ala 599/612/etc) but it is very likely still going to be a serious performer because it will (hopefully) make up for the sub-optimal platform with... something!
will the lifelong NSX brethren/fans be happy about it? some will some wont.
will the car pick up new fans/buyers? i sure as hell hope so
it seems like no one has yet answered this question.
from a performance perspective... weight distribution is absolutely critical. most people believe that a 50/50 distribution is ideal... but that is not true. 50/50 is ideal in only one situation... and that is mid-corner. at every other point it is sub optimal. a REAR-ward weight bias is advantageous for a couple of reasons:
1. it brings the center of mass closer to the center of rotation... which greatly reduces the polar moment of inertia. this makes the car more nimble.
2. i am sure you are aware that during braking, a lot of weight shift to the front wheels... which results in the rear wheels not adding much to your braking force. a rear weight bias helps to keep significant weight on the rear wheels which results in better braking performance.
3. accelerating out of a corner... once again... the additional weight over the rear wheels give better traction, allowing better power delivery.
yes, there are cars that are NOT mid-engined that can outperform mid-engine cars... but that is because they use other things (drivetrain, HP, etc) to compensate for their inferior (from a performance perspective) platform. the fact of the matter is that if everything else is roughly equal (HP, overall weight, etc) a mid-engine car will handle better than other platforms.
so does this mean that the next honda supercar MUST be mid-engined?
not necessarily. regardless of whether we think they should or not... i dont think honda is trying to built the BEST performing car in the world. we have to recognize that the NSX, as highly acclaimed as it was, ultimately did not make honda a lot of money. sure... honda is not trying to make civic/accord level sales with their flagship car... but it would be nice (from the company's perspective) to have a car that is able to sell better.
so perhaps from that perspective, their design changes make sense. there are practical drawbacks to a MR layout... reduced cabin and trunk/storage space. it certainly appears that honda is taking this car the GT route (ala 599/612/etc) but it is very likely still going to be a serious performer because it will (hopefully) make up for the sub-optimal platform with... something!
will the lifelong NSX brethren/fans be happy about it? some will some wont.
will the car pick up new fans/buyers? i sure as hell hope so
Agreed. This mule looks more like a TL humped a G35 coupe and this is their bastard offspring. Certainly NOT an NSX but it might find its niche if it can even come close to the GT-R's numbers and be priced in the $60k range. So in other words, this is a car has no hope because it will be priced above $60k and put up lesser numbers (by far im sure) than the GT-R. Its a stop gap that will probably compete with the Lexus IS-F and should NOT even be mentioned in the same breath as an NSX.
The NSX was exciting because it was a far cry from what Honda and the rest of Japan were producing and calling sports cars in the early 90's. This thing looks EXACTLY like what japan has already been producing for almost a decade now and regardless of what engine they stick under the hood it will never come close to what the NSX did in 1991 because this new ASCC or whatever they want to call it is too safe and predictable to appeal to the same audience the NSX did.
Re: Spy Shots: First images of 2011 Acura NSX
+1
I'm in the market for a Lotus Exige S now. I will miss the refinement (and quality) of my NSX, but what else is out there right now that is MR, doesn't weigh 4000lbs (the Lotus is only 2000lbs - woo hoo!), is affordable, and is simply awesome on the track? Oh, and it gets 30 MPG on the highway!!
No thanks on this one... I'm a MR devotee since buying my NSX...
Liking the Exige S-240 (having driven one 3 months ago OMG!), waiting for the Eagle (2009) and the return of the Esprit (2011) from Lotus for the next purchase.
+1
I'm in the market for a Lotus Exige S now. I will miss the refinement (and quality) of my NSX, but what else is out there right now that is MR, doesn't weigh 4000lbs (the Lotus is only 2000lbs - woo hoo!), is affordable, and is simply awesome on the track? Oh, and it gets 30 MPG on the highway!!
Re: Come on folks, it is not the next NSX but the CRX
The major point....is that there are already 99.9% of the cars out there with engines in front.
A big part of the fun in the Exotic market during the 80's and 90's was to be different, unique, stand-out and have some fun. Its JUST SAD to see everyone playing it safe and building front engine cars (even Ferrari). What happened to driving something different than the other 99.9% of cars we see every fricken day.
These new cars might run as fast or faster...but have become very boring to look at. They just blend in with traffic
NSX design is going from the sleek profile of a jet fighter to the profile of a clown shoe (the old Viper joke)
I remember when Ferrari use to be Italian Road Art....very unique and aggressive like the 1st two cars....the 3rd car might be as fast, but looks like a Lexus, Vette, or Viper if you didn't see the Ferrari badge on the back. MR is just way more sexy...too bad, no one is making it anymore. (thanks Lamborghini for hanging in there) Honda has picked the easy way out
The major point....is that there are already 99.9% of the cars out there with engines in front.
A big part of the fun in the Exotic market during the 80's and 90's was to be different, unique, stand-out and have some fun. Its JUST SAD to see everyone playing it safe and building front engine cars (even Ferrari). What happened to driving something different than the other 99.9% of cars we see every fricken day.
These new cars might run as fast or faster...but have become very boring to look at. They just blend in with traffic
NSX design is going from the sleek profile of a jet fighter to the profile of a clown shoe (the old Viper joke)I remember when Ferrari use to be Italian Road Art....very unique and aggressive like the 1st two cars....the 3rd car might be as fast, but looks like a Lexus, Vette, or Viper if you didn't see the Ferrari badge on the back. MR is just way more sexy...too bad, no one is making it anymore. (thanks Lamborghini for hanging in there) Honda has picked the easy way out
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Re: Come on folks, it is not the next NSX but the CRX
Thanks for the reply. Makes perfect sense. So why not make a MR 550 hp car?
What are the cons? There must be if Honda and Nissan didn't do it.
it seems like no one has yet answered this question.
from a performance perspective... weight distribution is absolutely critical. most people believe that a 50/50 distribution is ideal... but that is not true. 50/50 is ideal in only one situation... and that is mid-corner. at every other point it is sub optimal. a REAR-ward weight bias is advantageous for a couple of reasons:
1. it brings the center of mass closer to the center of rotation... which greatly reduces the polar moment of inertia. this makes the car more nimble.
2. i am sure you are aware that during braking, a lot of weight shift to the front wheels... which results in the rear wheels not adding much to your braking force. a rear weight bias helps to keep significant weight on the rear wheels which results in better braking performance.
3. accelerating out of a corner... once again... the additional weight over the rear wheels give better traction, allowing better power delivery.
yes, there are cars that are NOT mid-engined that can outperform mid-engine cars... but that is because they use other things (drivetrain, HP, etc) to compensate for their inferior (from a performance perspective) platform. the fact of the matter is that if everything else is roughly equal (HP, overall weight, etc) a mid-engine car will handle better than other platforms.
so does this mean that the next honda supercar MUST be mid-engined?
not necessarily. regardless of whether we think they should or not... i dont think honda is trying to built the BEST performing car in the world. we have to recognize that the NSX, as highly acclaimed as it was, ultimately did not make honda a lot of money. sure... honda is not trying to make civic/accord level sales with their flagship car... but it would be nice (from the company's perspective) to have a car that is able to sell better.
so perhaps from that perspective, their design changes make sense. there are practical drawbacks to a MR layout... reduced cabin and trunk/storage space. it certainly appears that honda is taking this car the GT route (ala 599/612/etc) but it is very likely still going to be a serious performer because it will (hopefully) make up for the sub-optimal platform with... something!
will the lifelong NSX brethren/fans be happy about it? some will some wont.
will the car pick up new fans/buyers? i sure as hell hope so
Thanks for the reply. Makes perfect sense. So why not make a MR 550 hp car?
What are the cons? There must be if Honda and Nissan didn't do it.
Re: Come on folks, it is not the next NSX but the CRX
the cons are simple... while it makes for great performance... it makes the car more impractical. as a result there is a very limited market for it. 99.99% of the people out there are NOT looking for the greatest performing car. not enough people want a "perfect" sports car that has all the impracticalities that come with it. so design compromises have to made in order to expand the potential customer base.
the cons are simple... while it makes for great performance... it makes the car more impractical. as a result there is a very limited market for it. 99.99% of the people out there are NOT looking for the greatest performing car. not enough people want a "perfect" sports car that has all the impracticalities that come with it. so design compromises have to made in order to expand the potential customer base.
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Re: Spy Shots: First images of 2011 Acura NSX
The rear looks like Pamela Anderson's boosted lips and the 4 exhaust like her t...
I don't like it as I like it natural. :tongue:
I strongly hope for them to get an Italian designer to finish the car. We don't need another fugu like the GT-R
Hallo
What do you think about this rear end ??
I like it
greatings ronny
The rear looks like Pamela Anderson's boosted lips and the 4 exhaust like her t...
I don't like it as I like it natural. :tongue:
I strongly hope for them to get an Italian designer to finish the car. We don't need another fugu like the GT-R
I don't think I can get excited about this one. My true love is and always be mid engined, two seat, very personal sports cars. I don't like the tank look or the cave like interiors. I travelled 60 miles yesterday to get a good alignment on my R modified car (short gears, r&p, R suspension and braces, Comptech rear beam, NA2 Stoptech brakes, 16/17 TE37's w/AO48's, full underbody, headers, exhaust and so on) through country roads. One of my sons was along for the ride, he works for a Nissan dealer getting three GTR's, and the day was mid 70's and sunny. The ride back confirmed to me how I made the absolute right choice for me and that I wouldn't be happy with the current crop of sports coupes, and my son, who gets exposed to plenty of Z cars, stock and modded, was big grins just riding along. The NSX moved along effortlessly, sounded wonderful and went ever so easily exactly where I directed it to go, regardless of our speed (didn't go nuts,just stretched her legs where appropriate and safe to do so, and the road was curvy). The visibility and lightness of the car made my inputs and the cars response virtually the same, and this is what I want in my special car. I want to feel one with the machine and relish my responsibility in the relationship. I also have a 500 hp Escort Cosworth WRC car, 4wd, and although it's not as sophicated as the GTR, for example, in the driveline technology, it is incredibly fast and capable. However, as much of a kick as it is to drive, it doesn't allow me to meld with it at all like my NSX, even though the Cosworth's performance envelope is greater. Technology is great and is allowing even mediocre drivers to achieve amazing levels of performance and I understand that there is big incentive (and maybe even necessity) for auto makers to bring new levels to the masses, but what they are offering isn't necessarily what gives me the most pleasure.
Dissapointing
Re: Spy Shots: First images of 2011 Acura NSX
That is a ugly car. I want the Sallen Raptor now. That is the only car that comes close to a next gen NSX. That is to bad that Honda just lost money cause most of up will not get a "NEW" nsx.
That is a ugly car. I want the Sallen Raptor now. That is the only car that comes close to a next gen NSX. That is to bad that Honda just lost money cause most of up will not get a "NEW" nsx.
Re: Spy Shots: First images of 2011 Acura NSX
An nsx is low, wide, long, mid-engine RWD... I think, in order to keep the nsx's heritage, it must capture these features...if not, then retire it, and rebadge/create a whole new sports car. I strongly hope that Honda does not produce any of the images iv seen floating around, badged as an nsx.
An nsx is low, wide, long, mid-engine RWD... I think, in order to keep the nsx's heritage, it must capture these features...if not, then retire it, and rebadge/create a whole new sports car. I strongly hope that Honda does not produce any of the images iv seen floating around, badged as an nsx.
Re: Spy Shots: First images of 2011 Acura NSX
If these guys got all these moving shots....where are the videos of this thing???
If these guys got all these moving shots....where are the videos of this thing???
Re: Spy Shots: First images of 2011 Acura NSX
They will POP ... first they need to make some $$$ with pics .. then some $$ with videos!
i can't wait to hear the V10 .. for real!
i hope honda does a good job with the exhaust ...
Oscar
They will POP ... first they need to make some $$$ with pics .. then some $$ with videos!
i can't wait to hear the V10 .. for real!
i hope honda does a good job with the exhaust ...
Oscar
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