Was wondering if the little vertical pieces behind the bumper come painted from the factory, or are they just the regular plastic finish? Cause I just bought a Black NSX, and the vertical things seem to be painted body color, so I suspect that the car had been painted over. I bought the car sight unseen. Any info would be great! Thanks.
Need help from Paint / NSX Experts about repaint! JH4NA1153MT002363
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Re: Need help from Paint / NSX Experts about repaint!
I too have a '91 Berlina Blk and those verticle things are NOT painted. No expert.. I am. But them there are the facts !
I too have a '91 Berlina Blk and those verticle things are NOT painted. No expert.. I am. But them there are the facts !
Re: Need help from Paint / NSX Experts about repaint!
i guess i'm going to have to give the owner a call. It was this car for sale
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33600
just got it today, but noticed that part of the car was painted.....what gives?
comfirmed with a couple people that the car was immaculate, but the paint just looks toooooo good to be a 13 year old car. Didn't match the interior, or the mileage which was only around 17,000, leather looks a little dried out...
Any comments? Just want to make sure I didn't get a messed up car.
i guess i'm going to have to give the owner a call. It was this car for sale
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33600
just got it today, but noticed that part of the car was painted.....what gives?
comfirmed with a couple people that the car was immaculate, but the paint just looks toooooo good to be a 13 year old car. Didn't match the interior, or the mileage which was only around 17,000, leather looks a little dried out...
Any comments? Just want to make sure I didn't get a messed up car.
Re: Need help from Paint / NSX Experts about repaint!
have any more pictures to show evident of this.
have any more pictures to show evident of this.
Re: Need help from Paint / NSX Experts about repaint!
Always check the wear and tear on the clutch and brake pedals.
Always check the wear and tear on the clutch and brake pedals.
Re: Need help from Paint / NSX Experts about repaint!
From the picture it looks like you bought it from that "Motorsports" dealership up in New England. If its been driven for most of its 17k miles up in the North-East(Mass, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, etc.), then its a pretty sure bet the nose (at the least) was repainted. They sand the roads all winter long, so even in the middle of summer there are rocks flying everywhere when you drive. Its not a big deal, and as long is the paint matches good, then I wouldn't let it bother me that much. Its better than the sand-blasted look that most black car owners get upset about.
If on the other hand the car has any signs of odometer fraud, then that does need to be looked into.
From the picture it looks like you bought it from that "Motorsports" dealership up in New England. If its been driven for most of its 17k miles up in the North-East(Mass, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, etc.), then its a pretty sure bet the nose (at the least) was repainted. They sand the roads all winter long, so even in the middle of summer there are rocks flying everywhere when you drive. Its not a big deal, and as long is the paint matches good, then I wouldn't let it bother me that much. Its better than the sand-blasted look that most black car owners get upset about.
If on the other hand the car has any signs of odometer fraud, then that does need to be looked into.
Re: Need help from Paint / NSX Experts about repaint!
how would I know if there has been any odomoeter fraud? and, that pic was just used as an example, it's not the actual car. my car was from illinois
how would I know if there has been any odomoeter fraud? and, that pic was just used as an example, it's not the actual car. my car was from illinois
Re: Need help from Paint / NSX Experts about repaint!
carfax? records?
carfax? records?
Re: Need help from Paint / NSX Experts about repaint!
You bought the car from a restoration place, it would only make sense that they did everything possible to make to car look good. As long as there wasn't any major body damage, a repaint of the front end is no big deal.
Just for my curiosity, why didn't you take a look at the car before you purchased it. I always do my due dilligence before making a big purchase.
Edmo7 said:
You bought the car from a restoration place, it would only make sense that they did everything possible to make to car look good. As long as there wasn't any major body damage, a repaint of the front end is no big deal.
Just for my curiosity, why didn't you take a look at the car before you purchased it. I always do my due dilligence before making a big purchase.
Re: Need help from Paint / NSX Experts about repaint!
Mine is white and they are not painted. As for the paint, the NSX seems to have much better/thicker paint than the newer cars. Mine is a 92 and the white paint is better than some of the 1 or 2 years old car. The black top didn't fare as well due to some bird poops...
Edmo7 said:
Mine is white and they are not painted. As for the paint, the NSX seems to have much better/thicker paint than the newer cars. Mine is a 92 and the white paint is better than some of the 1 or 2 years old car. The black top didn't fare as well due to some bird poops...
Re: Need help from Paint / NSX Experts about repaint!
So that place is a restoration center? I figured that he personally owned the car, and a couple people told me they've seen the car in person and that it was pristine, so I took their word for it.
So that place is a restoration center? I figured that he personally owned the car, and a couple people told me they've seen the car in person and that it was pristine, so I took their word for it.
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Never a good idea, unless it was Jesus!
Never a good idea, unless it was Jesus!
Re: Need help from Paint / NSX Experts about repaint!
OK, I can't sit here and listen to this discussion like this about that car - this is crazy!
1. this car belonged to one of the most honest and upstanding people I know, many of you know him as well as this car. He is our Midwest NSX Rep.
Any of the 40 people at the Midwest NSX Spring Fling can attest to the car's condition.
2. *****yes****** it was his personal car. He does not own the shop, nor did this car have anything to do with his work.
3. that car was treated like his baby. Every car he owns is in that condition.
4. NO way would he ever do any of the accusations (mileage rollback, etc) that were mentioned in this thread.
5. the car is as pristene as they get!
You have an awesome car, that is arguably the nicest 1991 NSX left out there anywhere. Most poeple on this forum would kill to trade their pride and joy for one in the condition of your car. If you try to be a detective you can make yourself feel like there has been some type of problem, it's like reading the Yahoo horoscopes and talking yourself into thinking they actaully pertain to you. The only way you are getting a nicer car is if you go buy a new one, in my opinion. Enjoy you car for what it is, AWESOME!
A
Edmo7 said:
OK, I can't sit here and listen to this discussion like this about that car - this is crazy!
1. this car belonged to one of the most honest and upstanding people I know, many of you know him as well as this car. He is our Midwest NSX Rep.
Any of the 40 people at the Midwest NSX Spring Fling can attest to the car's condition.
2. *****yes****** it was his personal car. He does not own the shop, nor did this car have anything to do with his work.
3. that car was treated like his baby. Every car he owns is in that condition.
4. NO way would he ever do any of the accusations (mileage rollback, etc) that were mentioned in this thread.
5. the car is as pristene as they get!
You have an awesome car, that is arguably the nicest 1991 NSX left out there anywhere. Most poeple on this forum would kill to trade their pride and joy for one in the condition of your car. If you try to be a detective you can make yourself feel like there has been some type of problem, it's like reading the Yahoo horoscopes and talking yourself into thinking they actaully pertain to you. The only way you are getting a nicer car is if you go buy a new one, in my opinion. Enjoy you car for what it is, AWESOME!
A
Re: Need help from Paint / NSX Experts about repaint!
you may have an argument if he explicitly stated that there was no paint job anywhere.
however, if he was not the original owner, and if those vertical pieces are the only indication of a repaint, it is possible that he was unaware of the paintjob himself.
you may have an argument if he explicitly stated that there was no paint job anywhere.
however, if he was not the original owner, and if those vertical pieces are the only indication of a repaint, it is possible that he was unaware of the paintjob himself.
I am familiar with this car and its owner.
Everything AaronR says is true. The claims being made here are simply untrue (and some of them are outrageous).
Anyone who is familiar with the NSX (and I consider myself to be, although I'm not Jesus) knows that the NSX has a paint job from the factory that is almost impossible to duplicate in a repaint. This car has original factory paint. All 28 steps. Period.
You got one of the best early NSXs in existence. Too bad you don't believe that.
Everything AaronR says is true. The claims being made here are simply untrue (and some of them are outrageous).
Anyone who is familiar with the NSX (and I consider myself to be, although I'm not Jesus) knows that the NSX has a paint job from the factory that is almost impossible to duplicate in a repaint. This car has original factory paint. All 28 steps. Period.
That's because the owner is fanatical about his cars. Not only does he work (selling cars) at a shop which is a combination of a body shop, detailing shop, high-end used car dealer, and storage facility, but he formerly had his own detailing business.Edmo7 said:
You got one of the best early NSXs in existence. Too bad you don't believe that.
Re: Need help from Paint / NSX Experts about repaint!
Thanks for the response guys. I'm not trying to accuse Steve of selling me a restored car. I'm just voicing my suspicions, as I have owned 2 NSX's in the past, which were in prisitine condition inside and out.
One of the main reasons I'm saying these things is because the condition of the interior just does not look like a 17,000 mile car. If in fact the owner was so fanatical about this car, why did he neglect to take care of the interior as much as he did the exterior?
The second reason is that the paint in the door sills are more dull than the paint on the outside. I have 3 other cars, and the paint on the door sills are always shinier than the paint on the outside, as they do not get exposed to the sun as much.
A third reason is the seams on both doors don't sit flush with the Body, they're indented inwards a little bit.
When I asked Steve if the front bumper was repainted, he replied with "I supposed it could have been". How can a person that was that meticulous and takes such great care of the car not know if the front bumper has been repainted or not? I just don't get it.
Again, I'm not accusing or trying to bad mouth Steve here. I know that he's the 3rd owner and is unaware of what the previous owners had done to the car. It's just that I'm buying this car to keep forever, so it's EXTREMELY annoying to have all these doubts about the car. But I appreciate a few of you guys vouching for the cleanliness of Steve's car, it makes me feel a little better about it. But I still have my suspicions.
Anyways, I know that it's a 13 year old car, and used, so I shouldn't be that picky. But I was trying to find a keeper, and from what Steve told me about the car before my purchase, I thought it would be...
Man, I almost gave it to my friend yesterday for $32K, a $6,300 loss with shipping included, and went to buy a new 2004 model sitting at the dealership. That's how frustrated I am with this car.
Thanks for the response guys. I'm not trying to accuse Steve of selling me a restored car. I'm just voicing my suspicions, as I have owned 2 NSX's in the past, which were in prisitine condition inside and out.
One of the main reasons I'm saying these things is because the condition of the interior just does not look like a 17,000 mile car. If in fact the owner was so fanatical about this car, why did he neglect to take care of the interior as much as he did the exterior?
The second reason is that the paint in the door sills are more dull than the paint on the outside. I have 3 other cars, and the paint on the door sills are always shinier than the paint on the outside, as they do not get exposed to the sun as much.
A third reason is the seams on both doors don't sit flush with the Body, they're indented inwards a little bit.
When I asked Steve if the front bumper was repainted, he replied with "I supposed it could have been". How can a person that was that meticulous and takes such great care of the car not know if the front bumper has been repainted or not? I just don't get it.
Again, I'm not accusing or trying to bad mouth Steve here. I know that he's the 3rd owner and is unaware of what the previous owners had done to the car. It's just that I'm buying this car to keep forever, so it's EXTREMELY annoying to have all these doubts about the car. But I appreciate a few of you guys vouching for the cleanliness of Steve's car, it makes me feel a little better about it. But I still have my suspicions.
Anyways, I know that it's a 13 year old car, and used, so I shouldn't be that picky. But I was trying to find a keeper, and from what Steve told me about the car before my purchase, I thought it would be...
Man, I almost gave it to my friend yesterday for $32K, a $6,300 loss with shipping included, and went to buy a new 2004 model sitting at the dealership. That's how frustrated I am with this car.
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Here's the Carfax for you guys to look at. From 1991 to 2000, for some reason there is no mileage reported.
Here's the Carfax for you guys to look at. From 1991 to 2000, for some reason there is no mileage reported.
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Year/Make/Model: 1991 ACURA NSX
Body Style: COUPE
Engine: 3.0L V6 PFI DOHC 24V
Fuel: GASOLINE
Driveline: REAR WHEEL DRIVE
Safety Equipment:
4 wheel ABS, Driver front air bag/passenger side active (manual) belt
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Power Windows, Power Steering Optional, Air Conditioning, AM / FM Cassette, Power Brakes, Tilt Wheel, 6-digit Odometer
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*OK* Salvage Title *OK* Loss Due to Fire Title
*OK* Junk Title *OK* Flood Damage Title
*OK* Rebuilt/Reconstructed Title *OK* Hail Damage Title
*OK* Dismantled Title *OK* Canadian Total Loss
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Salvage Auction Record..............> NO Salvage Auction Record Reported
Fire Damage Record..................> NO Fire Damage Record Reported
Crash Test Vehicle Record...........> NO Crash Test Vehicle Record Reported
Airbag Deployment Record............> NO Airbag Deployment Record Reported
Damage Disclosure Record............> NO Damage Disclosure Record Reported
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Personal Use Registration............> NO Personal Use Registration Reported
Lease Registration..................> NO Lease Registration Reported
Rental Registration.................> NO Rental Registration Reported
Taxi Registration...................> NO Taxi Registration Reported
Fleet Registration..................> NO Fleet Registration Reported
Commercial Registration.............> NO Commercial Registration Reported
Non-Profit Registration.............> NO Non-Profit Registration Reported
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Date: 06/14/1991
Odometer Reading: 15
Information Source:
Missouri
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Chesterfield, MO
Title #AR731652
General Comments:
Title issued
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Date: 07/27/2000
Odometer Reading: 10,020
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Missouri
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Saint Louis, MO
Title #LE656629
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Date: 12/12/2000
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Illinois
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Northbrook, IL
Title #T0347285008
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Date: 12/12/2000
Odometer Reading: 10,450
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Illinois
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Northbrook, IL
Title #T0347285008
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Title issued
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Date: 04/24/2001
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Illinois
Inspection Station
Wheeling, IL
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Passed emissions inspection
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Date: 10/05/2001
Odometer Reading: 14,000
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Service Facility
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Vehicle serviced
Suspension system serviced
Lubed oil and filter changed
Brakes serviced
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Date: 09/08/2003
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Wheeling, IL
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The story of this 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1153MT002363)
according to our interpretation of the information reported to CARFAX:
* This coupe has had 1 owner in Missouri. The first title for this
coupe was reported to CARFAX by a Missouri DMV in 1991.
* It has had no minor or moderate accidents reported to CARFAX.
* It has had no DMV-reported total loss events, like a major
accident, fire or flood.
* It has a consistent mileage history with no indication of an
odometer rollback. The last odometer reading, reported on
10/05/2001, was 14,000 miles.
* It was not reported to a DMV as a Manufacturer Buyback (LEMON).
* Go to the Detailed Vehicle History for the complete history and
a glossary of terms.
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CARFAX VEHICLE HISTORY REPORT SUMMARY
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** Good News - Vehicle qualifies for the CARFAX Buyback Guarantee!
No severe problems (major accidents, fire, flood damage, major odometer
problems or lemon history) were ever reported by a Department of Motor
Vehicles (DMV) for this 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1153MT002363).
If you find that any of these severe problems were reported by a DMV
and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back.
You MUST REGISTER to activate this free guarantee!
http://www.carfax.com/cfm/Warranty_...ACURA&MODEL=NSX&YEAR=1991&[email protected]
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Sect.# Section Name Section Results
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1. ACCIDENT CHECK
Total Loss Check NO Severe Accident or Total Loss Event Reported to DMV - Buyback Guarantee!
Other Accident Indicators NO Accident Indicator Found
2. MILEAGE ACCURACY CHECK
Truth-In-Mileage Check NO Odometer Problems Reported to DMV - Buyback Guarantee!
Odometer Rollback Check No Potential Odometer Rollback Found
Mileage Consistency Check NO Inconsistent Odometer Reading Found
3. LEMON CHECK(R) NO Mfr. Buyback Reported to DMV - Buyback Guarantee!
4. OWNERSHIP CHECK
Number of owners 1 Estimated Owner(s)
Type of owners Checked 8 Types of Vehicle Registrations
5. RECALL CHECK ACURA does not report recalls to CARFAX
6. WARRANTY CHECK No Data Reported to CARFAX
DETAILED VEHICLE HISTORY 7 HISTORY RECORDS REPORTED
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VEHICLE DESCRIPTION
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Year/Make/Model: 1991 ACURA NSX
Body Style: COUPE
Engine: 3.0L V6 PFI DOHC 24V
Fuel: GASOLINE
Driveline: REAR WHEEL DRIVE
Safety Equipment:
4 wheel ABS, Driver front air bag/passenger side active (manual) belt
Standard Equipment:
Power Windows, Power Steering Optional, Air Conditioning, AM / FM Cassette, Power Brakes, Tilt Wheel, 6-digit Odometer
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SECTION 1 ACCIDENT CHECK
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TOTAL LOSS CHECK:
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* GOOD NEWS! No severe damage events were ever reported by a DMV for this
1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1153MT002363). If you find that
any of the following severe problems were reported by a DMV and not
included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back.
You must register to activate this free guarantee!
*OK* Salvage Title *OK* Loss Due to Fire Title
*OK* Junk Title *OK* Flood Damage Title
*OK* Rebuilt/Reconstructed Title *OK* Hail Damage Title
*OK* Dismantled Title *OK* Canadian Total Loss
OTHER ACCIDENT INDICATORS:
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This 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1153MT002363) had no accident
indicators reported to CARFAX from its sources. This section checks for
accidents and/or related damage reported from many public and private sources.
Not all accidents are reported to CARFAX. A vehicle inspection completed
by your dealer or professional mechanic is recommended.
Salvage Auction Record..............> NO Salvage Auction Record Reported
Fire Damage Record..................> NO Fire Damage Record Reported
Crash Test Vehicle Record...........> NO Crash Test Vehicle Record Reported
Airbag Deployment Record............> NO Airbag Deployment Record Reported
Damage Disclosure Record............> NO Damage Disclosure Record Reported
Police Accident Record..............> NO Police Accident Record Reported
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SECTION 2 MILEAGE ACCURACY CHECK
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TRUTH-IN-MILEAGE CHECK:
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* RESULT: GOOD NEWS!
No major odometer problems were ever reported by a DMV under the
Truth-In-Mileage Act for this 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1153MT002363).
If you find that any of the following odometer problems were
reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will
buy this vehicle back. You must register to activate this free guarantee!
*OK* Not Actual Mileage Title - issued by DMV when the owner discloses
mileage fraud or a broken odometer.
*OK* Exceeds Mechanical Limits Title - issued by DMV when the owner
discloses an odometer rollover.
ODOMETER ROLLBACK CHECK:
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* RESULT: GOOD NEWS!
CARFAX found no odometer rollbacks for this
1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1153MT002363).
Rollbacks reported in this section originate from readings
collected by a DMV or other verifiable source.
MILEAGE CONSISTENCY CHECK:
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* RESULT: GOOD NEWS!
CARFAX found no inconsistent odometer readings in the mileage history
of this 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1153MT002363).
Date: Mileage:
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06/14/1991 15
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07/27/2000 10,020
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12/12/2000 10,450
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10/05/2001 14,000
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SECTION 3 LEMON CHECK
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* GOOD NEWS!
No manufacturer buyback was ever reported by a DMV for this
1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1153MT002363). If you find that a
manufacturer buyback was reported by a DMV and not included in this
report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back.
You must register to activate this free guarantee!
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SECTION 4 OWNERSHIP CHECK
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Ownership History:
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CARFAX estimates that this 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1153MT002363)
had 1 owner(s). CARFAX analyzed this vehicle's title history and other
supporting events to identify potential ownership transfers. In compliance
with the U.S. privacy laws, CARFAX does not collect or report owner names
or addresses.
Estimated Owners: Date: Location:
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1st owner Not Reported
CARFAX Advisor(TM)
The cost of ownership varies by vehicle. Go to Edmunds.com to check the
recommended service schedule and estimated costs for this vehicle.
http://applications.edmunds.com/mai...a&model=Nsx&year=1991&mileage=14000&zip=91101
Types of Owners:
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This 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1153MT002363) was
checked for 8 types of registrations.
Personal Use Registration............> NO Personal Use Registration Reported
Lease Registration..................> NO Lease Registration Reported
Rental Registration.................> NO Rental Registration Reported
Taxi Registration...................> NO Taxi Registration Reported
Fleet Registration..................> NO Fleet Registration Reported
Commercial Registration.............> NO Commercial Registration Reported
Non-Profit Registration.............> NO Non-Profit Registration Reported
Built to Non U.S. Standards Record..> NO Built to Non U.S. Standards Record Reported
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SECTION 5 RECALL CHECK
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ACURA does not report recall information for specific vehicles to CARFAX.
Refer to the CARFAX SAFETY & RELIABILITY REPORT (tm) for recalls
issued by the National Highway Traffic Safety Association (NHTSA)
for the 1991 ACURA NSX.
You can also contact an authorized dealership or ACURA at 1-800-999-1009
or at www.acura.com to find out if this 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1153MT002363)
still has recalls that require repair.
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SECTION 6 WARRANTY CALCULATOR
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CARFAX cannot calculate the remaining coverage for this
1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1153MT002363) because no
original manufacturer warranty information was reported
to CARFAX from its source.
Estimated start date of warranty: 06/14/1991
Last reading reported on 10/05/2001: 14,000 miles
Today's Date: August 31, 2004
Basic Original Warranty:
No data reported to CARFAX
Drivetrain Original Warranty:
No data reported to CARFAX
Emissions Original Warranty:
No data reported to CARFAX
Corrosion Original Warranty:
No data reported to CARFAX
Transferable Original Warranty:
No data reported to CARFAX
Roadside Assistance Original Warranty:
No data reported to CARFAX
Safety Belt & Inflatable Restraint Original Warranty:
No data reported to CARFAX
Specific Components:
No data reported to CARFAX
CARFAX Warranty Check provides an estimate of this vehicle's
remaining warranty coverage. It does not take into account some
vehicle history events. For example, major accidents resulting
in Salvage or Junk titles that may void the original
manufacturer warranty or ownership transfers that may decrease
warranty coverage. Complete warranty coverage information is
available for this vehicle at the
ACURA web site.
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DETAILED VEHICLE HISTORY
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CARFAX searched more than 3 billion records from over 5,300 sources
and found 7 record(s) for this 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1153MT002363).
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Date: 06/14/1991
Odometer Reading: 15
Information Source:
Missouri
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Chesterfield, MO
Title #AR731652
General Comments:
Title issued
First owner reported
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Date: 07/27/2000
Odometer Reading: 10,020
Information Source:
Missouri
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Saint Louis, MO
Title #LE656629
General Comments:
Title issued
Loan or lien reported
Additional loan or lien reported
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Date: 12/12/2000
Information Source:
Illinois
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Northbrook, IL
Title #T0347285008
General Comments:
Title or registration issued
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Date: 12/12/2000
Odometer Reading: 10,450
Information Source:
Illinois
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Northbrook, IL
Title #T0347285008
General Comments:
Title issued
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Date: 04/24/2001
Information Source:
Illinois
Inspection Station
Wheeling, IL
General Comments:
Passed emissions inspection
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Date: 10/05/2001
Odometer Reading: 14,000
Information Source:
Service Facility
General Comments:
Vehicle serviced
Suspension system serviced
Lubed oil and filter changed
Brakes serviced
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Date: 09/08/2003
Information Source:
Illinois
Inspection Station
Wheeling, IL
General Comments:
Passed emissions inspection
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a hidden problem. However, CARFAX has not inspected this vehicle. There
could be other potential problems with this vehicle that have not been
reported to CARFAX. CARFAX recommends a vehicle inspection by a
professional mechanic.
NOTE: Not all titles issued represent a change in vehicle ownership. For
example, a title could be issued to reflect an address change or correction.
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Severe Damage: Odometer Problems:
* Salvage/Junk * Exceeds Mechanical Limits
* Rebuilt/Reconstructed * Not Actual Mileage
* Dismantled
* Fire/Flood/Hail
* Canadian Total Loss
Lemon History:
* Manufacturer Buyback
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Re: Need help from Paint / NSX Experts about repaint!
That's an honest answer. Steve is not the original owner of the car so if he said "no way" he would be speaking about something that "could" have happened without his knowledge before the car was his. However, Steve is also the first guy to take a paint guage to any car "I" want to buy so he can tell me if he thinks the paint is original or not. I know for a fact he does not buy any cars for himself that he thinks have had any paintwork.
My advice to you: It is not fair to keep an NSX in that shape and have anything less than 100% love for it. Do the community a favor and let someone else love that car if you won't. There are far too few examples in that condition to have someone own one and not appriciate what he or she has. **step off soapbox**
Sidenote: The opinions above are my own, not that of Steve or anyone else.
Edmo7 said:
That's an honest answer. Steve is not the original owner of the car so if he said "no way" he would be speaking about something that "could" have happened without his knowledge before the car was his. However, Steve is also the first guy to take a paint guage to any car "I" want to buy so he can tell me if he thinks the paint is original or not. I know for a fact he does not buy any cars for himself that he thinks have had any paintwork.
My advice to you: It is not fair to keep an NSX in that shape and have anything less than 100% love for it. Do the community a favor and let someone else love that car if you won't. There are far too few examples in that condition to have someone own one and not appriciate what he or she has. **step off soapbox**
Sidenote: The opinions above are my own, not that of Steve or anyone else.
Re: Need help from Paint / NSX Experts about repaint!
If it makes you that unhappy, then you SHOULD probably sell the car and buy brand new if that will make you feel better. I am sure there are many out there that would purchase the car AND not at a $6300 loss as you stated. It's not the end of the world because many know the history behind this car and would be happy to take it off your hands. It's up to you.
If it makes you that unhappy, then you SHOULD probably sell the car and buy brand new if that will make you feel better. I am sure there are many out there that would purchase the car AND not at a $6300 loss as you stated. It's not the end of the world because many know the history behind this car and would be happy to take it off your hands. It's up to you.
Re: Need help from Paint / NSX Experts about repaint!
There appears to be a perfectly reasonable explaination to this: It’s possible the exterior of the car has been so well maintained and detailed, the finish on the outside looks better than areas that may have not been detailed as often (even though they don’t see sun).Edmo7 said:
That happens when a car doesn't change hands (no title changes), isn't in any accidents (no title changes or police reports), the owner doesn't move or, if female, get married (no title changes for change of name or address), and is located in an area that does not require emissions inspections. Thus there are no transactions that would be reported to Carfax.Edmo7 said:
If you run a Carfax on my 1991 NSX (and I have), the only mileage reports since 1991 are for Illinois EPA emissions tests. As you can see on the Illinois EPA website, emissions tests are only conducted in all of three counties and parts of seven others, out of 102 counties in the state. If I had lived in one of the other 92 counties in Illinois, there would be no mileage entries since 1991 on my NSX.
Based on the Carfax, it appears that the car was based in the St. Louis area from 1991 through 2000. Why don't you call the two dealers there, and ask them to look up the service history on that car's VIN? I bet one of them has some service history and can verify the accuracy of the odometer readings at those times. But if you do that, please let us know what the results were. After all, it's only fair that you report whether your suspicions turn out to be unfounded, right? Besides, this will provide documentation to the lucky person you will be selling your car to.
It does to me. Perhaps you can post photos to show what you're referring to?Edmo7 said:
I just checked my NSX, and the paint on my door sills is duller than on the outside. I have owned it since new, and it has not been repainted in that area. It now has 55K miles on it. I can only guess that either (a) the factory doesn't pay as much attention to that area, and it doesn't get all 28 steps, as the exterior, or (b) as someone else suggested, the exterior gets more detailing than the interior (I can attest that I keep a nice coat of wax on the exterior at all times, and do not wax the door sills - in fact, I rarely even wash or wipe them.Edmo7 said:
).That's the way the '91-01 NSX is designed. The bottom of the doors don't sit flush with the rocker panel cover underneath or the panels to the side.Edmo7 said:
I think you should sell it to someone else who will appreciate what a great car this is. This car is worth more than that, and there are lots of guys looking for that perfect NSX. Let one of them enjoy it.Edmo7 said:
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