My early Xmas present .

[D'Ecosse]

Stephen- maybe you can take one more picture & measurement for us that will help to get to the bottom of this:
I've tried to indicate in the adaption of your pic below -
Place a straight edge across the face of the caliper and meaure the gap for the face of the hat (remove the spacer) - according to the drawing this should be 43.3mm (~ 1 3/4"). It would be great to see what this measures when actually installed.

 

[RP-Motorsports]

Steve has hub rings, but still if he would have had them in, it only slides the caliper back/forth, NOT towards/away from the spokes. It did not matter if we used the ring or not, it never touched the spokes on the antera's or SSR's no matter how we positioned the template within the large center hole where the hub ring (that sits flush on all rims) goes.

The best explanation so far would be the scale of the template. If too small, it would show that more clearance was avail. But I would think that 8+ mm would be a large scale difference?? The template itself says to add 2mm. According to MJ, the caliper measured larger than Stop tech's specs, but still 8mm??????? Hmmmm I am glad at least they clear his track rims with the spacer he had. If not, there probably would have been random craftsman wrenches flying out of his garage!!!!!!

 

[D'Ecosse]

Steve has hub rings, but still if he would have had them in, it only slides the caliper back/forth, NOT towards/away from the spokes....

True, but the spokes are not parallel to the hub, so it does make a difference where it's positioned - by the look of the SSR though, again it looks as if it would help because of the spoke shape, but definitely hurt on the Antera's.

An easy reference on the scale thing is to check the diameter of the wheel register - that is supposed to be exactly 70mm on the front wheel drawing. I agree however that even off by 10% would only account for ~4mm.

 

[whiteNSXs]

Are you guys aware that the print-out might not be in 100% scale?
I printed the drawing out and used a ruler to measure the dimensions and they are all smaller than the stated dimensions.
Steve

 

[D'Ecosse]

If drawing is wrong it has to be in this area shown in the blue circle. Mesuring the space between the outside of the caliper and the hat face will eliminate the wheel completely & any qustion of scaling the template etc; this will either validate or show up the error in the Stoptech drawing - should be 43.3mm. If your theory of the drawing being wrong by 8mm, then this will measure 51.2 on the actual assembly.

 

[D'Ecosse]

Are you guys aware that the print-out might not be in 100% scale?
I printed the drawing out and used a ruler to measure the dimensions and they are all smaller than the stated dimensions.
Steve

See my comment earlier in the thread Steve; also Stoptech does caution this & recommends to validate by matching dimensions in both length & width.

Originally posted by D'Ecosse
Here are fitment guides for anyone considering the stoptech kits - note that I found when I printed they were smaller than real-size - I remedied that by scaling up by 7% on a photo-copier.

7% would account for 3mm of the 8; allowing an additional 2 for clearance makes 5mm - now we're down to only 3mm difference which is ~1/8" - not much!

 

[RP-Motorsports]

Ok here we go...... I do NOT have a measurement in mm, but hopefully someone can make the conversion.

From the outside flat edge of the hat to the outside of the caliper is exactly 1 23/32" and steve is using a 7.5mm spacer to get the SSR's to clear (1 23/32" + 7.5mm), but a 5mm will probably just work (1 23/32" + 5mm). The 7.5mm spacer will NOT allow the Antera's to clear though.

Hopefully someone can figure this out soon, cause it is a great kit, and will probably be purchased by many owners next year.

 

[RP-Motorsports]

I did the conversion, and it equals 43.66mm from the hat to the outside edge of the caliper so with the 2mm gap, you would need about 45.66mm clearance from the hat to the spoke of the rim at the caliper area. The SSR's would show about 40.66 so a 5mm spacer is needed.

Can the scale be that far off?? It looks like the #'s are right on the template, 43.3 vs my eyeball 43.6

Too bad Stop-tech can't make their template to size 1:1 so you as a consumer don't have to attempt to get it close with a commercial copy machine and a micrometer!

 

[D'Ecosse]

I did the conversion, and it equals 43.66mm from the hat to the outside edge of the caliper

OK - that confirms that there is nothing wrong with the template dimensionally;

so with the 2mm gap, you would need about 45.66mm clearance from the hat to the spoke of the rim at the caliper area. The SSR's would show about 40.66 so a 5mm spacer is needed.

I think this also possibly supports where the problem is & that the template may have printed under-size: a 7% error would have made that print-out be ~ 40.3mm instead of 43.3 - if there is a 40.66 requirement for the SSR then that would indeed barely clear. (You could also have had more error than that - you really need to measure your own printed version to see how far off it is) Additionally any error in the positioning may have been enough to cause the problem - probably more so on the Antera's because of the spoke design. You figure its probaly not real hard to make a 0.5-1mm on cutting either.
The moral here is that when dealing with tolerances within a few mm, you probably can't take it to the bank that you'll be OK if you have marginal clearance.

 

[Lazarus]

D'Ecosse> You've got Pmail. And here are the photos that correlate to that Pmail.

Cheers.

 

[Lazarus]

...and the rears...

 

[D'Ecosse]

Thanks for the pics & info David - very nice!

 

[NSX 3.0]

Well I finally finished the Brake install today took it out for a short test drive and I must say WOW!!!I dont really want to jump on them yet but they do grab hard with just a touch of the pedal I love these suckers.


I must say the install was not that hard for being a rookie at this all I ever did to my old Brakes was change the Rotors and Pads.


I just took my time and follwed some of www.danoland.com advice and pictures per wheel stud install what a great site Dan!!!
and the rest was pretty straight forward. I guess the hardest part was getting the old Brake line off had a friend come over and do that for me...and then it was bleed the Brakes and go for a ride.


Here are a few shots of the finished product even with the front 7.5mm Spacer my SSR GT1 Track Rims are even with the Fenders. The tires are 235-40-17s and do not rub at full lock they DID when I had no Spacer with the old Kit on.



Now the hard part is finding a set of street Rims I like since they are only a ton of styles out there... and waiting untll next April to get it out on the Road and Track again O Well.




Steven 91 Blk/Ivory

 

[NSX 3.0]

Another.

 

[NSX 3.0]

And another.

 

[NSX 3.0]

Side shot.

 

[NSX 3.0]

Last one.

 

[RP-Motorsports]

Looking good Steve!!! I guess I will have to get the red calipers now

 

[whiteNSXs]

Steve,
the fronts look awesome! Why not just get a pair of 18" GT1 for the rear to match as street rims? If you will, get the 18x9 et 38mm. Now, I hate you too!
Steve

 

[D'Ecosse]

Now the hard part is finding a set of street Rims I like since they are only a ton of styles out there...

Looking very good, Steven! I'm sure it was worth all the headache over the sizing.

Hmm ..... don't suppose I could interest you in some nice Advan 7 Limited Editions, like those posted above by Lazarus ...........

(Happen to have some available)

 

[Ponyboy]

Looks great! How much of a difference can you tell so far?

I think you'll very pleased.

 

[Lazarus]

Steven> Nice to see another NSXer with big BLACK calipers! It looks meaner this way, methinks.

BTW, did you keep the rear brake set-up stock, or did you move the stock front calipers to the back? Can't really see too clearly in that photo.

One more question, is there a lot of brake dust from that new front set-up of yours? I get a LOT of brake dust from my Brembos.

 

[2slow2speed]

One more question, is there a lot of brake dust from that new front set-up of yours? I get a LOT of brake dust from my Brembos.

Hmm...

Brake dust is more a function of the brake pads, so if you
are not happy with the dusting you might consider getting
a different pad compound.

Ken

 

[Tantheman]

Looking great.

My early Xmas present to myself is this:

Detailing the car interior soon. A little cluttered in this pic.

A Rearview Mirror Monitor with the DVD player in glove box.

Also the Wilwood BBK front and rear.

Waiting on Headers, Vented Type R hood, Tein Suspension and I am definitely done due to funds.

Tan

 

[Tantheman]

I do not think you can relocate front OEM calipers to the rear due to the parking brake being incorporated in the rear calipers right?

Also Steve did you notice steering is more effortless due the lightness of the BBK? I noticed mine.

Tan