Maserati MC12 in the snow!!!
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apapada said:
My comment is not always a judgement. It is my comment and that is all. People can do whatever they want no matter how stupid or, how rich they are, or how risky. Just because one can, doesn't mean one should.
I still think he was stupid in that video no matter how rich he is. He probably light $100 bills for a smoke just because he can. Do I care? NOT AT ALL. We have all done stupid things before.
It seems there is a misunderstanding about what constitutes 'abuse' of a car and what is just an 'accident'. Assuming that he had not bruched against the wall with the car, would his actions still be 'abuse' of the MC12? If you said yes, ask yourself 'why'. Now...before throwing full beer cans at your screen, hear me out.
1.) Without hitting the wall his low speed actions would not cause any more abuse than driving to the grocery store. He broke in the car by driving it the full 6 hour trip to the track, and probably some other mileage as well. Not only that, but any of the dirt or paint chips could happen to anyone that actually drives their car.
2.) He did not set out to say, 'Lets see how much stuff I can break with this,' and then go about his merry way. Plus, seeing as how he is licensed racer, owns and DRIVES and F1 car, and finished the LeMans, I would say his driver skill level is probably above average.
3.) For those that have never tried driving a sports car in the snow, it is actually a relatively good way to learn the dynamics of your car without the risk of a high speed 'incident' like totalling your car by misjudging a turn at Road America.
4.) I think people here are letting their emotions get in the way. Pretty much none of us here (except carguy!) could afford to buy that car anyway, and that is clouding opinions. By this I mean that people are watching that video of a hyper-exotic car that is beyond the reach of pretty much everyone, and are saying, 'If I had that car I would never do that,' because it is like a Holy Grail that can never be obtained for most. Something prescious beyond the realm of actual use, and not an actual car meant for driving.
Just some thoughts.....but what do I know?
1.) Without hitting the wall his low speed actions would not cause any more abuse than driving to the grocery store. He broke in the car by driving it the full 6 hour trip to the track, and probably some other mileage as well. Not only that, but any of the dirt or paint chips could happen to anyone that actually drives their car.
2.) He did not set out to say, 'Lets see how much stuff I can break with this,' and then go about his merry way. Plus, seeing as how he is licensed racer, owns and DRIVES and F1 car, and finished the LeMans, I would say his driver skill level is probably above average.
3.) For those that have never tried driving a sports car in the snow, it is actually a relatively good way to learn the dynamics of your car without the risk of a high speed 'incident' like totalling your car by misjudging a turn at Road America.
4.) I think people here are letting their emotions get in the way. Pretty much none of us here (except carguy!) could afford to buy that car anyway, and that is clouding opinions. By this I mean that people are watching that video of a hyper-exotic car that is beyond the reach of pretty much everyone, and are saying, 'If I had that car I would never do that,' because it is like a Holy Grail that can never be obtained for most. Something prescious beyond the realm of actual use, and not an actual car meant for driving.
Just some thoughts.....but what do I know?
If he wanted to tune his skills by driving in snow, I'm sure he could have found a car that there were more than 50 of to do so with.
I highly doubt that the Ferrari team took Michael Schumacher out in the snow in an F1 car to "learn the dynamics of your car without the risk of a high speed 'incident'".
The collection of muddy water inside the body of the car was enough to show that the car was not being used properly or taken care of..
I highly doubt that the Ferrari team took Michael Schumacher out in the snow in an F1 car to "learn the dynamics of your car without the risk of a high speed 'incident'".
The collection of muddy water inside the body of the car was enough to show that the car was not being used properly or taken care of..
Meeyatch1 said:It seems there is a misunderstanding about what constitutes 'abuse' of a car and what is just an 'accident'. Assuming that he had not bruched against the wall with the car, would his actions still be 'abuse' of the MC12? If you said yes, ask yourself 'why'. Now...before throwing full beer cans at your screen, hear me out.
1.) Without hitting the wall his low speed actions would not cause any more abuse than driving to the grocery store. He broke in the car by driving it the full 6 hour trip to the track, and probably some other mileage as well. Not only that, but any of the dirt or paint chips could happen to anyone that actually drives their car.
2.) He did not set out to say, 'Lets see how much stuff I can break with this,' and then go about his merry way. Plus, seeing as how he is licensed racer, owns and DRIVES and F1 car, and finished the LeMans, I would say his driver skill level is probably above average.
3.) For those that have never tried driving a sports car in the snow, it is actually a relatively good way to learn the dynamics of your car without the risk of a high speed 'incident' like totalling your car by misjudging a turn at Road America.
4.) I think people here are letting their emotions get in the way. Pretty much none of us here (except carguy!) could afford to buy that car anyway, and that is clouding opinions. By this I mean that people are watching that video of a hyper-exotic car that is beyond the reach of pretty much everyone, and are saying, 'If I had that car I would never do that,' because it is like a Holy Grail that can never be obtained for most. Something prescious beyond the realm of actual use, and not an actual car meant for driving.
Just some thoughts.....but what do I know?
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we're gonna have to agree to disagree...
i can honestly say that this is something I'd toy around with. The HOly Grail of a car state of mind... it's there. Like I'm weary about getting an NSX in a couple years because of snow... but I have to sit back and ask myself... so a few extra rockchips REALLY bother me? Is it something that makes the car undesirable or unusable? Will I be able to live with myself if I "kill" my resale value by a few thousand (nsx). In the end, my answer is that I think I could drive it in the snow, and maybe take an extra rockchip. Everytime I listen to everyone else I wonder if NSX'ers woud hate me... cuz they hate this MC12 owner for the same stuff. I mean, snow on a track is safer than snow on the streets.
It just depends on your mentality.
i can honestly say that this is something I'd toy around with. The HOly Grail of a car state of mind... it's there. Like I'm weary about getting an NSX in a couple years because of snow... but I have to sit back and ask myself... so a few extra rockchips REALLY bother me? Is it something that makes the car undesirable or unusable? Will I be able to live with myself if I "kill" my resale value by a few thousand (nsx). In the end, my answer is that I think I could drive it in the snow, and maybe take an extra rockchip. Everytime I listen to everyone else I wonder if NSX'ers woud hate me... cuz they hate this MC12 owner for the same stuff. I mean, snow on a track is safer than snow on the streets.
It just depends on your mentality.
zahntech said:
So if there were 30,000 of these cars his actions would not be considered as heinous or abusive by you?
As far as the collection of muddy water being an end all be all that the car is abused, I hope you never drive your car in the rain then....there is dirty water out there.
Good thing he wasn't driving a true value like these...
Barrett Jackson Sales:
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His money, His car, it does not make him insane or anything else to drive it as he pleases.
He was probably anxious and raring to drive it.
I doubt he really felt like laughing off the accident damage, he responded as many of us have when we have been embarrassed. He saved face.
Though the fix will not be 5k, I can't see it costing him $250K even, if he did lose resale value, which is very doubtful.. You see total rebodies of cars from less than a 1/3 of the original parts commanding the same dollars as Originals that have been wibed with microfiber all of their precious lives.
If it were mine, wouldn't own it, I would drive the hell out of it by day, wipe it down by night.
Rain, Snow, whatever I happen to get caught in, If I am in the car, I will still continue to drive it...
That car may just be his beater.
JMHO
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His money, His car, it does not make him insane or anything else to drive it as he pleases.
He was probably anxious and raring to drive it.
I doubt he really felt like laughing off the accident damage, he responded as many of us have when we have been embarrassed. He saved face.
Though the fix will not be 5k, I can't see it costing him $250K even, if he did lose resale value, which is very doubtful.. You see total rebodies of cars from less than a 1/3 of the original parts commanding the same dollars as Originals that have been wibed with microfiber all of their precious lives.
If it were mine, wouldn't own it, I would drive the hell out of it by day, wipe it down by night.
Rain, Snow, whatever I happen to get caught in, If I am in the car, I will still continue to drive it...
That car may just be his beater.
JMHO
It's a Race Car ..it was never designed to be driven in the snow...what he did was unsafe and just plain stupid....and yes I do not drive my NSX in the rain if I can help it or any of the other sports cars I have owned because of one simple reason...there is no positives in doing it only negatives.
Cons
1 The cars paint takes a beating
2 The underside and wheel wells get nasty
3 The Interior floor gets wet
4 4th and most Important reason that driving a sports car in inclement weather is negative?......It's NO FUN!! what is the point of driving a super handling quick/fast car if you cant drive it that way?...I just don't see the point of doing it..
Pros?
Cons
1 The cars paint takes a beating
2 The underside and wheel wells get nasty
3 The Interior floor gets wet
4 4th and most Important reason that driving a sports car in inclement weather is negative?......It's NO FUN!! what is the point of driving a super handling quick/fast car if you cant drive it that way?...I just don't see the point of doing it..
Pros?
Cons
1 The cars paint takes a beating
2 The underside and wheel wells get nasty
3 The Interior floor gets wet
4 4th and most Important reason that driving a sports car in inclement weather is negative?......It's NO FUN!! what is the point of driving a super handling quick/fast car if you cant drive it that way?...I just don't see the point of doing it..
Pros?[/quote]
You really get a better understanding of how your car handles and vehicle dynamics. Some of the best DE events are in the rain. Learning to drive the car at speeds in those conditions.
Real good point: "what is the point of driving a super handling quick/fast car if you cant drive it that way?...I just don't see the point of doing it.."
That is why YOU shouldn't drive yours in the rain or any other slick conditions. You have limited yourself and your abilities to dry weather only...
Turn in your NSX Keys":wink:
1 The cars paint takes a beating
2 The underside and wheel wells get nasty
3 The Interior floor gets wet
4 4th and most Important reason that driving a sports car in inclement weather is negative?......It's NO FUN!! what is the point of driving a super handling quick/fast car if you cant drive it that way?...I just don't see the point of doing it..
Pros?[/quote]
You really get a better understanding of how your car handles and vehicle dynamics. Some of the best DE events are in the rain. Learning to drive the car at speeds in those conditions.
Real good point: "what is the point of driving a super handling quick/fast car if you cant drive it that way?...I just don't see the point of doing it.."
That is why YOU shouldn't drive yours in the rain or any other slick conditions. You have limited yourself and your abilities to dry weather only...
Turn in your NSX Keys":wink:
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The snow/ice track-session could've been dangerous in terms of one's well-being, that's all I really think.
Everyone has a different level of material-value. For the owner of the MC12, £500k would be an upsetting, but not traumatic loss. It'd be equivalent to myself losing my $30k NSX, on how I'd react. Disappointment, humor, anger, closure. The end. Ten years ago, I'd probably want to be parted out w/ the NSX if that happened, lol...
Instead of generalizing that the individual might be detached from reality or "have too much money" based on one observation, try to put yourself in his shoes for an instance...
Have you ever gotten so excited about a gift or purchase you made, that you simply are overwhelmed and may possibly make an illogical decision? Getting a brand-new skate-board or roller-skates for Christmas, running out in snow/ice just to try it once? Getting a Red Rider BB-gun and being impatient for the weather to clear-up; trying it outside when the weather is still poor, unsupervised? Getting a very nice and fashionable outfit meant for a different season, but still trying it on and going out in it? Being on vacation and knowing a potentially dangerous storm is forecasted, yet wanting to get a round of golf in by pressing your luck?
I'd say until there is another clip or word of the the affluent, exotic car afficianado doing another risky/questionable drive, it's unfair to assume that he's neglectful, abusive, or disrespectful of something valuable.
The snow/ice track-session could've been dangerous in terms of one's well-being, that's all I really think.
Everyone has a different level of material-value. For the owner of the MC12, £500k would be an upsetting, but not traumatic loss. It'd be equivalent to myself losing my $30k NSX, on how I'd react. Disappointment, humor, anger, closure. The end. Ten years ago, I'd probably want to be parted out w/ the NSX if that happened, lol...
Instead of generalizing that the individual might be detached from reality or "have too much money" based on one observation, try to put yourself in his shoes for an instance...
Have you ever gotten so excited about a gift or purchase you made, that you simply are overwhelmed and may possibly make an illogical decision? Getting a brand-new skate-board or roller-skates for Christmas, running out in snow/ice just to try it once? Getting a Red Rider BB-gun and being impatient for the weather to clear-up; trying it outside when the weather is still poor, unsupervised? Getting a very nice and fashionable outfit meant for a different season, but still trying it on and going out in it? Being on vacation and knowing a potentially dangerous storm is forecasted, yet wanting to get a round of golf in by pressing your luck?
I'd say until there is another clip or word of the the affluent, exotic car afficianado doing another risky/questionable drive, it's unfair to assume that he's neglectful, abusive, or disrespectful of something valuable.
Some people like to collect cars not because they want to drive them, but as investments.vtecNSX1 said:
way too rich guy... amazing what he did to that car
zahntech said:
Pro's......sure...one big, significant one: A huge smile on my face for driving one of the worlds best cars and not worrying about a little water or dirt.
zahntech said:
A little water and snow does car mean a car is going to shit.
zahntech said:
Nothing else matters? What about having a good time with the car you own?? I know that no matter what I say we are on opposite poles here, which is fine. I just hope you are not this uptight about everything in your life or your stress is going to kill you.
Meeyatch1 said:
Then we can get a good deal on a pristine auto at an estate auction and beat it hard.:biggrin:
All kidding aside that's what will eventually happen to every garage queen after the owner is gone. That is why I drive my cars like it is my last day here.
