T1 is not really a heavy braking corner.
T1 is not really a heavy braking corner.
The point still remains - Don't allow anyone other than you to drive your car. They are not liable for the damages, an my guess is it would even void track insurance if you were bright enough to purchase it.
I will agree on opinions/speculation but let's take this scenario which is partially what happened at a prior event but a novice student was driving:
Hose blows coming out of an off camber left hander. Coolant spews out onto rear tires (and track). Student spins and hits inside armco due to coolant. Hoses hadn't been checked in quite some time prior to event and student was novice so didn't really think of that as a potential for disaster. No warning before hose gave way and not many drivers could have caught it mid-spin in an off camber left hander.
What if the instructor was driving the student's car at "novice speeds" and hit same inside armco? Should the instructor pay for that damage?
The corner prior is the carousel, also not a heavy braking corner. The only major braking corners are the keyhole (T2) on the pro course, and the end of the main back straight (T5?).No, it is not. Only the corner prior.
I have never spun a students car or pushed the car to the point endangering either of our lives.
Its irresponsible as an instructor.
The corner prior is the carousel, also not a heavy braking corner. The only major braking corners are the keyhole (T2) on the pro course, and the end of the main back straight (T5?).
I have had one very generous member offer to start a fund, which I have yet to address with him, so let me do that now. I am a grown man and have never accepted a hand out in the form of charity. It is not that I am too proud for such a thing, but that there are others who certainly need it more. I would never allow someone to part with their money for such a silly cause as fixing some bloke's car. You have the need to give to charity? Than please, support your local animal shelter or children's medical center. Give to those who can't go and earn it themselves. I'll eventually recover from this. It is just happening much slower than I would like due to my personal responsibilities at the moment. I love being part of this group and will do so from afar for a time. Unless Bruce offers help - I will totally accept his offer to take some responsibility on this!
On a related note, I plan on parting out a lot of NSX stuff that I have. I guess it will be a charity 1 piece at a time in a backwards sort of way. I am moving into a small place in the city with only a 1 car garage. My NSX wouldn't even have a place to park had I had it running. So I plan on selling off pieces today so that I can rebuild it tomorrow. I guess the best I can ask is that someone buy my old parts!
I always make it a point to go over the students car with them checking everything before going on track the first time, regardless if it's been cleared by tech.
Tech will not be in the car with us if we crash.
Car prep can't be talked about enough, because its not the speed that kills you if you get it wrong, its the sudden stop :-;
No clue. So:
-Turbo nsx on street tires (what tires and size)?
-Bruce said and josh saw the brake pedal go to the floor braking for T1 @ Mid-Ohio?
-What lap?
-What brakes? (Bbk, pads, fluid)
-brakes worked flawlessly after wreck with pressure and no spongy pedal?
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No clue. So:
-Turbo nsx on street tires (what tires and size)?
-Bruce said and josh saw the brake pedal go to the floor braking for T1 @ Mid-Ohio?
-What lap?
-What brakes? (Bbk, pads, fluid)
-brakes worked flawlessly after wreck with pressure and no spongy pedal?
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But there always is an "exception".
I let my friend and very qualified instructor take my NSX around with me in the passenger seat at Mosport to show me the lines. Weather was horrible with rain both days. I had new unshaved R compounds on the car with the only mileage being highway from NY to Mosport. We spun between 5A and 5B at approximately 23 mph, to the surprise of both of us. Later on when the rain stopped but the track was still somewhat wet I spun at around 28 mph. We were not doing track speeds but recon laps (parade speed at best) and didn't even have our helmets on since this was purely slow speed to learn the track. Learning experience for sure but something neither of us really anticipated (and both of us have quite a bit of seat time in the wet at other tracks).
And that is a valid reason to actually drive the student's car for the first couple of laps in addition to showing the lines. A novice may have let a "buddy" tech the car but I am confident that if you drove a car for two laps at "reasonably fast" track type speeds you would be able to notice issues with brakes/steering/suspension/tires that a novice might not feel, at least not feel before it was too late.
Huh, why the heck did I think this was at mid-ohio?
LOL...now thats the attorney in you speaking...
I bet that was a surprise, I can just see you two sitting there looking at each other going WTF was that ?
Since it was on our first lap, surprise is an understatement. But I remained calm and simply stated that since we went onto the wet grass on the inside of the turn, if we couldn't get enough grip to drive out we would switch seats and I would get behind the wheel while the cause of the off roading would have to get out and push.
Yes, he should. And even for those who think otherwise, at a minimum, the instructor should be in touch with the student and be willing to try to come to a settlement that both could live with.I will agree on opinions/speculation but let's take this scenario which is partially what happened at a prior event but a novice student was driving:
Hose blows coming out of an off camber left hander. Coolant spews out onto rear tires (and track). Student spins and hits inside armco due to coolant. Hoses hadn't been checked in quite some time prior to event and student was novice so didn't really think of that as a potential for disaster. No warning before hose gave way and not many drivers could have caught it mid-spin in an off camber left hander.
What if the instructor was driving the student's car at "novice speeds" and hit same inside armco? Should the instructor pay for that damage?
Here is some footage I took while trying to learn Lightning. Unfortunately I didn't have an instructor available who knew the track so it was "learn as you go" trying to figure out the line. And Wei Shen refused to slow down to let me follow him (damn you Wei Shen - damn you to hell........!)
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...and thats another issue completely onto itself.
Honor and Integrity if he did in fact promise to help out..
For an instructor to promise he would help out, and then walk away? That's inexcusable and unconscionable. He should be embarrassed and ashamed.
Damm, was that Wei Shen I saw go buy you twice ?
That mans fast....
Nice driving Bob. Very smooth.
You made it look fun and safe.