the nsxnut said:Dude, come out from behind your smack-talking anonymity. You appear to be a trolling scumbag, with no understanding of who/what goes on on this board. What do you know about what an NSX is/isn't capable of on the track? Do you even own an NSX? How many track days experience do you have? How many competition licenses do you hold? How many laps have you done at Road Atlanta? Currently, You have absolutely ZERO cred on this board. If you want to establish any, you should come clean, and give some references. You have not EARNED the right to make critical commentary about anyone else here. Of course, the miracle of the internet and the freedom of Lud's NSXPrime makes it POSSIBLE for you to do so, but that doesn't make it right.
My name is Mark Hicks, and I approved this post.
Bah wish I would have cleared my client in time to post before many here are in bed (holy cow airports are screwed right now)... Alas I will look tomorrow after my flight lands as I suspect the slaying will get more interesting..
First of all let me say that after reading the continued slaying it would be awfully easy for me to run along but I believe that I should answer questions posted here out of respect for coming into this board anonymously. I also would appeal that I am not smack talking, quite the contrary as I posted factual comments, said when "it was my opinion" and posted actual laptimes and facts around cars at Road Atlanta.
I will answer these one at a time. Since this board is in complete denial about facts let me point out some more along the way. I will officially fall into troll mode and this will more than likely be my last post. Since no intelligence is possible in this thread (sans Brian) I will change my language to more troll-like mode as well. I would say though that while I somehow was mentioned as "above 12 years old" and being sworn at, I did not stoop to such a level. I would say I deserve it, however probably wasn't necessary.
Everyone here should go to mylaps.com enter Road Atlanta and then look at results for any closed wheel class that is applicable to this cars capability. While you are at it look 2/3/4/5 classes slower (GT-2, GT3, GT4, SPO, SPU, T-1, T2, hell even ITS) cars from 190RWHP to 650 (GT-1 is 650 average) and weights from 2200 pounds (SPU) to 3400 (T-2) that run times competitive....
Now on to more factoids:
1. I love the car. Love the look, think it is very well prepared and is obivously capable of being fast.
2. I am a NSX fan.
3. I had a NSX street car that I tracked a bit, nothing serious and back in autocross days. I was not very fast, but got me hooked (happens to all of us doesn't it) Eventually I built my first race car and started the real deal (1996)
4. This thread started as a "jump on my jock" thread about the car and turned into how much power, how fast can it go and what times will you run at Road Atlanta etc. A thread like this is to be expected and I have no shame to admit I have made multiple similar posts on nearly every car I have owned from a drag racer to autocross, to multiple street cars and now several race cars in different classes. I am not knocking that.
However, couple points made by the owner/driver of this car "overkill I know, but I wanted to put some whoop-ass to the local guys running unlimited GT-1 and Trans-Am cars". Sorry never going to happen unless it is a driver in a new car on a novice permit. The lap times show that. Can't wait to see what happens at Mid-Ohio where the best national drivers have all kinds of lap times posted there to look at in comparison but that is another story.
5. Someone asked what kind of times the owner/driver expected to run. His answer 1.29's. After re-reading I do see that the poster said while the car is capable of running 1.29's he expected to run high 130's so I partially withdraw my attack on that comment.
4. Poster attacks (without anyone here realizing) regional GT-1 and T-1 cars times at Road Atlanta after my opinion that that car should be capable of running better than 1.29's at Road Atlanta when it is putting down 560/600/or for the "whopping ass on locals in GT-1/TransAm" 700 REAR WHEEL HORSEPOWER at 2600 pounds (owner facts, not mine). Comparing times against regional novice permit drivers and first time Road Atlanta drivers was funny at best, especially given I obviously (and the poster knew this when I posted) am familiar with my data or I wouldn't post.
5. This board somehow jumps in the jockstrap and says "EW, AHH" 1.29's, kill the regional novice guys, applause etc. and subsequently calls me out that I am full of shit.
6. Car goes to Road Atlanta and runs 138's and 140's. Crowd goes "AHH, applause" etc.
7. I post REAL TIMES for national level races to back my thoughts. Again you may check yourself at mylaps.com as those were cut/paste numbers.
I then apply T-2 times (go look at other classes, it is even funnier) at the fact these cars are closer to 300 at the wheels and 3300 pounds a far cry from the mighty car here and I never added they too are on DOT "skinny" tires.
8. More slaying of fact data while I scratch my head.
9. Brian twice makes points that while he isn't coming straight out and saying that he agrees with me, I know he does and that is all that matters. I do not need his acceptance, however he obviously knows the deal. Thanks for your soft (but still) support on the topic.
10. I am reminded that the posted did admit that he expected high 130's at this event at Road Atlanta so again I have to ease a bit. At the same time I am amused that his time is closer to a spec miata time then the 1.29 time he thought (and certainly led) everyone here to believe he would run at Road Atlanta. The very start of this argument (that I thought the car should be faster than 1.29 as T-1 cars run low 130's) has more merit as he ran 5+ seconds slower than the latest nationals at Road Atlanta. That is a lot for a 560/600/700RWHP car in my opinion, but what do I know, I am a troll afterall.
Questions to answer (with facts of course):
1. You asked what T-1 Corvette runs with a 225 tire: None. But then again none of them have 560/600/700 rear wheel horsepower or 700 less pounds of weight do they. Which of these cars would anyone that has turned a wheel rather drive on a track? I think that is clear. So I am off base thinking you should be running considerably faster? Quite the contrary with the 138's and 140's you turned. I guess though that if it made you feel better you really clocked those regional T-1 novice permit/1st timers to Road Atlanta autocross turned road racers. Um ok.
2. 11 inch rotors, single piston calipers.. they are pro built cars that appear to people like you to be “Near Stock”. I agree, no 11 inch rotors (although T-2 cars that I did some comparible times to do run 11 inch (or less) rotors in some cases, but I am not aware of any T-1 or T-2 car on single piston calipers. Frankly I am shocked you would run single piston calipers with all that power (and at Road Atlanta). Seems like a dangerous mix (but WTF do I know) ROFL. As for the "pro built cars" I agree that many of the cars laptimes that I posted are in fact "pro built" or "very well built" cars, I would counter that your NSX is the finest "very well built" track ready NSX I have seen (outside of PD, HART Ohio examples) so I don't get the comment yet I agree the cars I mentioned are high caliber builds. Last comment "appear to people like you to be "Near Stock". This is not a fair comment, I know about the cars, the GCR and am more than familiar with a few of the classes (first hand) that I mentioned. They are near stock. Shall I post the rules next for T-1 and T-2 and ask that aside from what I mentioned already as competition adjustments they are allowed, what part of these cars is not "Near Stock"? That comment may make other people nod their heads but not fooling me (I would hope that others may have the guts to post their opinion here).
3. I agree with your go cart comment, however it is not relevant here is it? If anything it makes my points ever stronger (go hmmm and think about that).
4. Now that were on the subject, what do you drive? What is your record? Who are you? Do you have any video or experience in a racecar?
Since I am in full troll mode now and at the risk of anyone running a shopping cart into my car in a grocery store parking lot, pulling a plug at a track or worst yet CRXing me into a wall somewhere I will refrain from specifics for these obvious reasons.
However I will give you honest answers. I don't expect that you will believe me, however I don't see why you wouldn't as I am obviously not Randy Pobst myself.. I do drive at a national level. This is my 5th year national. I have driven 5 or so "long enduro's" as well (whooptee). Before racing nationally I raced 2 years at a regional only level. I do not know my overall record however couple things I do know merely from logbooks that I made marks in and a couple of specific tracks that I know my number of wins that I have just north of 20 wins (admit majority at a regional level). Of those 5 long endo's, 4 wins. I have no problem either admitting that in the endo's I was not always the faster of the driver(s), sometimes yes, others no. The question about videos is yes, and experience in a race car I have described here. Worth noting that I hold a NASA license as well and had a pro license one season in preperation of a co-drive that I did not get the details ($$ gets the best of that pro stuff) worked out in time.
Your offer: OK here’s the challenge- Pick a track that we both know or a track that neither of us know. You bring your car of choice and I will bring mine. We both drive both cars and then you can be humbled by how bad I kick your ass. This is interesting to say the least and if done under more friendly terms could have been fun. Of course if you would have thrown an adequate bet in the mix here (kidding). Here is a hint: Your ass kicking would require you to drive my car (XX) seconds faster than you drove your own car with (XXX) less horsepower and I have to drive your 560/600/700 rwhp much lighter car (XX) seconds slower than my own? GOOD TIMES. Pretty cocky to say the least, but so were the 1.29 claims What if I am Chad in the mighty 210HP Civic Si and can run the same 138's on 245's? All in good fun... I really would like to drive your car though. Should I be at an event when you are again (instructing or other) I may just approach you and take you up on this offer under much calmer terms.
And to Mr. Hicks, your questions:
Q: How many competition licenses do you hold?
A: Answered above, 3 at the moment if you count regional SCCA, and national SCCA as 2 licenses, if you don't then 2.
Q: How many laps have you done at Road Atlanta?
A: Purely an estimate but I would say between instructing, my time during instruct weekends and races at Road Atlanta between 1,000 and 1,500. This assumes a lot of things (50 laps in a typical weekend of any type, at least 20 trips to RA would be 1,000 laps as example). I have not counted how many times I have been to RA in total, however 50 laps in a weekend is a pretty good estimate all things considered. I will also say that I have more laps at 3 or 4 other tracks than at RA. While I certainly would love to run as much as possible at RA, it is further than other tracks.
Your comment: You have not EARNED the right to make critical commentary about anyone else here. Of course, the miracle of the internet and the freedom of Lud's NSXPrime makes it POSSIBLE for you to do so, but that doesn't make it right.
You are absolutely on the mark with this comment on both fronts. However I do believe I don't need to earn the right to post facts that are readily available to all of us as a counter point to such large and boisterous claims in a thread like this.
Was it fair for me to come here and make comments? Nope not really, I admit that and agree doesn't make it right.
Did I post facts that incited even more critics? Yup go look at them yourself. Are my comments unreasonable given these facts? Nope, go read them again.
Great video BTW! I hate it when the water is still standing at the base of 5, very slick there. I didn't notice if anyone here already asked or if you said, what kind of data system are you running?