HyTech NA Engine kit?

[hitechex]

HyTech is considering developing a NA engine kit for the NSX. We wanted to test the waters and see what the feedback would be from the NSX community before we launched into a big project like this.

The kit would consist of a header, exhaust. ECU, cams, valve train, and Induction system. By developing everything under one roof at HyTech. We will be able to pull the maximum power out of the motor.

We have successfully done this with the S2000 while no one else was able to make much of an improvement we pulled 200 lbs of torque and 283 whp with a stock long block. We have also done this with the K series motors as well. 50 whp gains with just bolt ons.

With the new technology we have on hand today we should be able to make sizable gains with the NSX V6.

If we decide to go ahead we will need a donor car to make the prototypes and if anyone has an engine we can use for mock ups that will help move things along more quickly. For your assistance we will offer free of charge the parts we will develop.

I can be reach at [email protected]

Thanks
John

 

[L_RAO]

HyTech products get a big thumbs up from me.

How long would I be without my car? :biggrin:

 

[hitechex]

A few weeks for the first time. We would do all the mocks and jigs then we would need it back for fitment for another few weeks and then dyno time after that. Off and on about 6 to 8 weeks

 

[Valhalla]

I'd be interested. Where are you located? I've PM'ed you with specifics. Thanks.

 

[Bui]

I am interested to see what you develop.

 

[NA1/2-R GT]

That sounds promising. I am in for additional NA mods to my NA build.
Keep us posted.

 

[kookoo4nsx]

I hate to rain on your parade but I don't think this will work. The reason being is their are hundreds of products already in existance. Countless headers and exhausts are available; Induction and ECU gains are almost meaningless and most owners don't want crack their motor open to go swapping cams.

By the time you add the cost of all your goodies you're 1/2 way to paying for a full FI kit.

285 RWHP may have cut it 5-6 years ago but not any more. Dollar for dollar, Turbo, SC or stroker motors are where owners can make huge power and there are numerous kits on the market with proven results.

HyTech is considering developing a NA engine kit for the NSX. We wanted to test the waters and see what the feedback would be from the NSX community before we launched into a big project like this.

The kit would consist of a header, exhaust. ECU, cams, valve train, and Induction system. By developing everything under one roof at HyTech. We will be able to pull the maximum power out of the motor.

We have successfully done this with the S2000 while no one else was able to make much of an improvement we pulled 200 lbs of torque and 283 whp with a stock long block. We have also done this with the K series motors as well. 50 whp gains with just bolt ons.

With the new technology we have on hand today we should be able to make sizable gains with the NSX V6.

If we decide to go ahead we will need a donor car to make the prototypes and if anyone has an engine we can use for mock ups that will help move things along more quickly. For your assistance we will offer free of charge the parts we will develop.

I can be reach at [email protected]

Thanks
John

 

[L_RAO]

kookoo,

Sorry but not everyone is looking for the most power available to them.

There are simply too many cars out there with V8s, V10s, superchargers, turbochargers from the factory for me to want to try to outdo them all.

The beauty of the NSX is the balance of the car, and the high-revving VTEC motor.

To each his own, but there is an N/A crowd out there.

 

[kookoo4nsx]

kookoo,

Sorry but not everyone is looking for the most power available to them.
Agreed

There are simply too many cars out there with V8s, V10s, superchargers, turbochargers from the factory for me to want to try to outdo them all.
my 400rwhp will stay with 98% of what I see on the street. It's quite enough power to embarrass almost any M5 ,AMG Mercedes, GT500 Mustang's etc. I don't really see super exotics in my area.

The beauty of the NSX is the balance of the car, and the high-revving VTEC motor.
Again agreed. Even if you put every single perfromance option on an unopened 3.0, including ITB's, I/H/E, ECM, cams, max hp is right around 300rwhp. If the OP can squeeze 325-340rwhp out of a stock 3.0 or even, 3.2 then that would be groundbreaking

To each his own, but there is an N/A crowd out there.

I think the N/A crowd is quickly learning that the only surefire way
to meet power goals is the SOS stroker motors. (340-400rwhp)

 

[syam]

In the end, engine building is all about building a package that works together...To date, I have not seen any complete packages to the likes that Hytech is looking to offer the NSX. Their results speak for themselves on what they have been able to achieve in the B-Series Community, K-Series Community, and the S2000 (F-Series?) community. Their results have always been excellent and their ability to develop complete solutions has been pretty legendary.

I remember back on team-integra when a member (SurferX) had a Type-R and added on a Hytech header and exhaust, he was hitting over 200whp and many considered this a fluke since "that can't be done" right? Well it was.

I would not doubt that they will be able to hit comparable numbers to the SOS stroker kits.

Now the question is, what results would be attainable with Hytech's package and a stroked motor? 400-450whp anyone?

 

[GT-N]

let them do it lol

more options, better for the consumer market...

 

[Honcho]

John-

I am one of those NSX owners who is firmly in the NA camp. While I applaud the FI crowd and the amazing power they can produce, to me the "soul" of the NSX like all Hondas is a high-revving VTEC engine. Therefore, your NA package would be well received by members like me, as I am aware of HyTech's excellent reputation in the Honda tuning community.

However, before you go down this route, I would caution you to do some more homework on NA mods to the NSX. Many aftermarket companies over the last 20 years have tried to find cost-effective NA power in the C30A and C32B and failed. Most prominent is Comptech.

In the 1990's, Comptech sold a package much like the one you propose called "IEM". With all of the headwork, cams, headers, they were only able to produce about 40 more whp over stock. For this reason, Comptech abandoned the NA power package and started selling the supercharger, which has been a huge moneymaker for them. You should contact member DocJohn, who has the IEM package on his 1996 NSX and has been tracking the car for years. He may be able to give you some insight. Also, I would contact Shad Huntley at Driving Ambition, who was with Comptech during the years they developed the IEM system. Shad will certainly have some insight for you on the NA potential (and pitfalls) of the C30A engine.

With that said, I would love to see a NA package for the C30A that delivers:
1. 300 peak whp;
2. A broad increase across the torque band;
3. Maintains the factory engine bay look (no obnoxious mega cones or polished tubes or other ricer crap);
4. Maintains factory reliability. In other words, turn the key and go in all weather, all conditions. Smooth idle, no funny running "issues" you always see with aftermarket ECU cars;
5. Costs less than $7,000. If you do the above and it costs ten grand, people are just going to go and buy the turbo kit.

A lot of people here feel like the NSX came from the factory with about 50 whp less than it should have had, given the chassis. Most of these people have no interest in street racing Vipers or making 1000 hp, or whistling wheezing and popping their way down the street with a big FI kit. Instead, they just want their NSX with a little more oomph. To date, the only real solution for these people was the Comptech supercharger. I think it would be great if HyTech could offer another solution NA.

 

[96cxt]

This is interesting...

 

[geometro]

Interested in the end results also: especially being familiar with the B-series work HyTech has done before.

I'd ship my car down there if there weren't so many NSXs already down in that area already...

 

[Gansan]

Guys, John is no amateur. He has a lot of experience building Hondas (seems like he can build almost anything, actually), and he built the race motor I ran in my Honda Challenge car. It was the best engine I ever ran in real world performance. He takes no shortcuts and is a true craftsman in his work.

 

[Moses]

In the end, engine building is all about building a package that works together...To date, I have not seen any complete packages to the likes that Hytech is looking to offer the NSX. Their results speak for themselves on what they have been able to achieve in the B-Series Community, K-Series Community, and the S2000 (F-Series?) community. Their results have always been excellent and their ability to develop complete solutions has been pretty legendary.

I remember back on team-integra when a member (SurferX) had a Type-R and added on a Hytech header and exhaust, he was hitting over 200whp and many considered this a fluke since "that can't be done" right? Well it was.

I would not doubt that they will be able to hit comparable numbers to the SOS stroker kits.

Now the question is, what results would be attainable with Hytech's package and a stroked motor? 400-450whp anyone?

Everything this guy said...:smile:

 

[Nick675]

Subscribed and pm sent.

 

[hitechex]

John-

I am one of those NSX owners who is firmly in the NA camp. While I applaud the FI crowd and the amazing power they can produce, to me the "soul" of the NSX like all Hondas is a high-revving VTEC engine. Therefore, your NA package would be well received by members like me, as I am aware of HyTech's excellent reputation in the Honda tuning community.

However, before you go down this route, I would caution you to do some more homework on NA mods to the NSX. Many aftermarket companies over the last 20 years have tried to find cost-effective NA power in the C30A and C32B and failed. Most prominent is Comptech.

In the 1990's, Comptech sold a package much like the one you propose called "IEM". With all of the headwork, cams, headers, they were only able to produce about 40 more whp over stock. For this reason, Comptech abandoned the NA power package and started selling the supercharger, which has been a huge moneymaker for them. You should contact member DocJohn, who has the IEM package on his 1996 NSX and has been tracking the car for years. He may be able to give you some insight. Also, I would contact Shad Huntley at Driving Ambition, who was with Comptech during the years they developed the IEM system. Shad will certainly have some insight for you on the NA potential (and pitfalls) of the C30A engine.

With that said, I would love to see a NA package for the C30A that delivers:
1. 300 peak whp;
2. A broad increase across the torque band;
3. Maintains the factory engine bay look (no obnoxious mega cones or polished tubes or other ricer crap);
4. Maintains factory reliability. In other words, turn the key and go in all weather, all conditions. Smooth idle, no funny running "issues" you always see with aftermarket ECU cars;
5. Costs less than $7,000. If you do the above and it costs ten grand, people are just going to go and buy the turbo kit.

A lot of people here feel like the NSX came from the factory with about 50 whp less than it should have had, given the chassis. Most of these people have no interest in street racing Vipers or making 1000 hp, or whistling wheezing and popping their way down the street with a big FI kit. Instead, they just want their NSX with a little more oomph. To date, the only real solution for these people was the Comptech supercharger. I think it would be great if HyTech could offer another solution NA.

Honcho

Yes you are correct with what Comptech tried with the NSX and then abandoned. But with todays technology things are much different.

When we built the first Type R header in 1997 it made over a 20 whp gain and everyone except the car owner and they dyno operator called me a liar! Well it was not lie and we have continued to do things most would call impossible. Over and over again and again. So my track record is pretty good being the underdog.

The S2000 was also another vehicle that many had tried and failed, but we did not. We made plenty of bolt on power with the proper parts. And that is the key. With vehicles like the S2000, ITR and NSX you have to have the right combination of parts. That has always been the key and only good R&D will figure it out. So with that said I think the NSX is a very good base to build upon. The V6 offers some interesting characteristics that might prove to be a bonus with what we are going to try and do.

I love a challenge and this will be a challenge.

 

[e.pie]

Subscribing, sound interesting.

 

[Timeless1]

Glad to hear more options for the NSX as well but key point is, make sure it is reliable & will last/withstand the test of time like the NSX itself. You've probably heard it over & over, the NSX is a very well built car although lacks power but definitely could use a little bit more & with todays standards, you will have to hit at least 500+ whp to make me smile, anything under is a disappointment & you will be wasting your time.
Good Luck to you & hope to see you hit big big numbers.


Henzley

 

[nsxvtecvtec]

We have successfully done this with the S2000 while no one else was able to make much of an improvement we pulled 200 lbs of torque and 283 whp with a stock long block.

you forgot to mention that the base is on church's dynopack which reads ridiculous high. from 175.9 lbs & 238.9 hp to 200.5 lbs & 283.1 hp and it had a ITB. how can a stock ap2 s2000 read 175 162 lb/ft? there is no way to make 283whp with stock internal on ap2.

http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/780290-hytech-headers-and-na-engine-package/

 

[HIJACKER]

I've had hytech headers in the past on another vehicle, I was VERY impressed with the build quality and sound they produced. The gains were also very noticeable and superior to other products out there.

Like everyone else, I'm interested to see what is developed.

 

[IsR]

Interesting. I'm looking to do an engine build next. Do make a package which is non-local or international NSX friendly, where owner do not have to ship the whole car! But applaud any initiatives which give more options for NSX owners.

 

[jones83]

I have used hytech headers and twin loop exhaust in the past on another vehicle and the quality is second to none. John is a very nice guy to talk to and always helpful with questions. His custom packages for car engines always make great power under the curve and up top. Not to mention his exhaust sounds good. two questions;

Will your headers for the nsx use your custom anti-reversion chambers?

Hytech pricing is known for being on the high side. How will you keep your all motor kit competitive with turbo pricing starting off around 7-8.5k?

 

[Nero Tenebre]

Very, very interested but can it be done for $7k is what I'm really curious about...? Regardless, I am glad to see hytech considering this endeavor for our NSXs!