Honda CEO Talks Up NSX

[NSX167]

For the white car pictured I may not have looked close enough to notice it's the Toyobaru thing, .

:wink: This is the Toyobaru (FT-86) with FR layout, and it's targeting drift fans at price 25K range.

 

[NSX167]

:wink: FYI

I guessed that FR layout has been canceled.

 

[BD]

I'm happy with my NSX. Honda, just build your five unicorn HSV like the NSX-R GT and pretend it is a production car. Just don't stop supplying NSX replacement/repair parts.

 

[Nero Tenebre]

:wink: FYI (Re: First Two Pics of HSV in street trim)

Oh look, it's the new accord coupe! Without the race car's flamoyance, it has lost what extremely little appeal it had in the first place. Yaaaaaawn

 

[tbromley]

Honda basically doesn't release their concepts until long after spy shots have already shown what their products will look like, no? So it's not as if we can expect much of a surprise from them.

For the white car pictured I may not have looked close enough to notice it's the Toyobaru thing, but whether it's that or the Honda sportscar in the March Road & Track (teal car, that looks close enough to pretty much all the other $30K-ish concepts), they're all non-exotic, and judging by their mundane looks, meant to compete with Z cars and the like, and most probably share their chassis with sedans or coupes.

As for the red car (not the chopped-top Lexus), it certainly mirrors an Accord - sideview/front end/taillights/roofline; check out the badges front and back - they look like they say "H" to me.

The NSX had honda badges too - except for the US cause it was sold thru Acura dealers...

 

[tbromley]

Nothing is impossible. If they are planning a very limited production run of the JCTC model -- it just might happen. But they might also cost $500K.

Honda knows better than to ever try and sell a car costing 500k. Heck I can hardly believe the LFA was built - that's insane too. If Honda does something like that it will sell in tiny little bits. If they produced 500 they'd all sell I guess but even the LFA - has had to revise their position on leasing only for the first 2 years cause not many are buying.

 

[tbromley]

I guessed that FR layout has been canceled.

This is the one that looks like that red car in the line up that was first shown by attachment - not to be confused with the Toyota stuff. At least that's what it looks like to me.

 

[sporteknik]

As a follow up to my initial post,

Today President and Director of Honda R&D Co. Ltd., Mr. Tomohiko Kanawabe was interviewed at Geneva Motor Show 2011. When asked how Honda's sporting/racing heritage will be incorporated in future models, he responded

"Motor racing and sports cars have always been an essential part of Honda's DNA. It's too early to talk about specific replacements for sporting models such as the Civic Type R, the S2000 and the NSX but you can be sure we are actively involved right now in evaluating and analysing just how our sporting DNA can be incorporated into our future model range."

 

[tbromley]

As a follow up to my initial post,

Today President and Director of Honda R&D Co. Ltd., Mr. Tomohiko Kanawabe was interviewed at Geneva Motor Show 2011. When asked how Honda's sporting/racing heritage will be incorporated in future models, he responded

"Motor racing and sports cars have always been an essential part of Honda's DNA. It's too early to talk about specific replacements for sporting models such as the Civic Type R, the S2000 and the NSX but you can be sure we are actively involved right now in evaluating and analysing just how our sporting DNA can be incorporated into our future model range."

I like it! But in the immortal words of the "king" (that would be Elvis - just in case anyone was wondering) "a little less conversation, baby, a little more action please"!!!!! :wink:

 

[mlambert890]

Honda knows better than to ever try and sell a car costing 500k. Heck I can hardly believe the LFA was built - that's insane too. If Honda does something like that it will sell in tiny little bits. If they produced 500 they'd all sell I guess but even the LFA - has had to revise their position on leasing only for the first 2 years cause not many are buying.

Yeah, but if its only a technicality to satisfy homologation guidelines they won't care. Its just sort of a loophole. Make as few as you absolutely must to say "yeah see, production car" and then charge cost for them. If they can get away with a tiny number (not sure what "qualifies" as "production"), I am very sure they could unload them all just to billionaire collectors (of which there are tons)

Personally, I think thats total BS though. Why should that sort of short cut approach allow a company to compete on the track with companies like BMW, Porsche and GM that are the real deal? Seems very unfair.

As for "NSX 2", I agree that unless it is a MR, I personally have less than 0 interest. I also think that unless there is a *clear* heritage link, it's just another new car.

That, is where Japan fails epically IMO. They have *zero* clue what legacy is about. Fanboys will make excuses, but when you look at the heritage of Japanese marques against Porsche, BMW, Corvette, Ferrari... It's laughable. They have no attention span and then they spin off one off pet projects, kill them, and then try again a decade later with no linkage to the past (and sometimes a bastardization of the brand)

To me the Audi R8 is probably the closest thing to an "NSX 2" ironically.

 

[tbromley]

Yeah, but if its only a technicality to satisfy homologation guidelines they won't care. Its just sort of a loophole. Make as few as you absolutely must to say "yeah see, production car" and then charge cost for them. If they can get away with a tiny number (not sure what "qualifies" as "production"), I am very sure they could unload them all just to billionaire collectors (of which there are tons)

Personally, I think thats total BS though. Why should that sort of short cut approach allow a company to compete on the track with companies like BMW, Porsche and GM that are the real deal? Seems very unfair.

As for "NSX 2", I agree that unless it is a MR, I personally have less than 0 interest. I also think that unless there is a *clear* heritage link, it's just another new car.

That, is where Japan fails epically IMO. They have *zero* clue what legacy is about. Fanboys will make excuses, but when you look at the heritage of Japanese marques against Porsche, BMW, Corvette, Ferrari... It's laughable. They have no attention span and then they spin off one off pet projects, kill them, and then try again a decade later with no linkage to the past (and sometimes a bastardization of the brand)

To me the Audi R8 is probably the closest thing to an "NSX 2" ironically.

Well said ----here here! I guess I need to drive an Audi R8. Lineage - legacy - man are you ever hitting the nail on the head here!

 

[Nero Tenebre]

Yeah, but if its only a technicality to satisfy homologation guidelines they won't care. Its just sort of a loophole. Make as few as you absolutely must to say "yeah see, production car" and then charge cost for them. If they can get away with a tiny number (not sure what "qualifies" as "production"), I am very sure they could unload them all just to billionaire collectors (of which there are tons)

Personally, I think thats total BS though. Why should that sort of short cut approach allow a company to compete on the track with companies like BMW, Porsche and GM that are the real deal? Seems very unfair.

As for "NSX 2", I agree that unless it is a MR, I personally have less than 0 interest. I also think that unless there is a *clear* heritage link, it's just another new car.

That, is where Japan fails epically IMO. They have *zero* clue what legacy is about. Fanboys will make excuses, but when you look at the heritage of Japanese marques against Porsche, BMW, Corvette, Ferrari... It's laughable. They have no attention span and then they spin off one off pet projects, kill them, and then try again a decade later with no linkage to the past (and sometimes a bastardization of the brand)

To me the Audi R8 is probably the closest thing to an "NSX 2" ironically.

You know what? I've gotta +1 this. Except the R8 is the NSX 2 in parallel whereas the new McLaren is, to me, an NSX 2 in so many ways--especially the looks, proportions, and design cues. Except it's not from a mainstream manufacturer, there is no real dealer network, its reliability is not known, etc. Though the R8 comes close in approximation, only Honda can build an NSX... mainly because of their reliability, IMO. Audi's are at the bottom of the reliability charts below even mercedes and bmw, which is piss-poor.

 

[NSX167]

just keep collecting and waiting... :wink:

 

[Juice]

So did Honda drop the lineage ball with the S2000? Looks like the successor to the S200 to me.

 

[NSX167]

So did Honda drop the lineage ball with the S2000? Looks like the successor to the S200 to me.

FYI :wink: S100, S360, S500, S600, S2000, Mugen concept, and OSM S3000?

 

[Juice]

:wink: This is the Toyobaru (FT-86) with FR layout, and it's targeting drift fans at price 25K range.

That's the old one. They are closer to finalizing the design now, and I must say that I'm HOT for Toyota.

http://jalopnik.com/#!5773096/toyota-ft+86-ii-concept-oh-what-a-supra-feeling/gallery/1

 

[sporteknik]

Keep them coming.

 

[Hksdrager7]

why did the hsc never get built??

 

[Black 94 #400]

They had their heads up their ass :biggrin: I think Ferrai is buliding that car now the 458

 

[captainjman]

Well said ----here here! I guess I need to drive an Audi R8. Lineage - legacy - man are you ever hitting the nail on the head here!

Legacy - out of a one hit wonder... It was a great hit though! If you were honda how do you proceed against the GTR. When the NSX left the market it was the king of the Japanese hill, but with godzilla getting better and better how do you ensure you have the best?

2012 GTR - already has a 50hp gain. 2013 or 14 they are proposing a HUGE increase in power and refinement. How sad would it be if Honda produced an NSX thay played 3rd fiddle to a GTR or LFA?

R8 - yeah... I would definitely agree. I got a special feeling when I drove it. If it didn't cost 180k all said and done I would have gotten one. I think NSX 2.0 will be a 110k+ car...

Audi does offer an all MX included plan for 750 dollars! So for 5 years you know you are covered. So really who cares about reliability if you don't have to flip the bill if something goes bad.

J

 

[tbromley]

I want one of these

 

[Hksdrager7]

They had their heads up their ass :biggrin: I think Ferrai is buliding that car now the 458

they never gave a reason on the hsc?

 

[docjohn]

they never gave a reason on the hsc?

afaik they never gave a definative reason..we speculated that the economy and the green mantra by the execs killed it.

 

[NetViper]

I want one of these

Is that a new pic/rendering or is it old? Looks like an updated hsc.

 

[tbromley]

Is that a new pic/rendering or is it old? Looks like an updated hsc.

Not sure - you may be right but it looks pretty good - now if it's a mid engine - that would be great. We are waiting.....:wink: