hey everyone

Jimbo said:
this crap is why i rarely post here anymore.

:mad:

I'm really sorry, it's my fault

if I hand any idea my venting post would cause such a steer, I would'nt have bothered

but don't stop posting, I promise this will be the last political thread I ever reply to on NSXprime, periode,
now i see it' clearly useless to quarul about these matters. you guys here can believe what ever you want to believe, its your life.


so please forget about this thread, I'ts my fault
 
cmhs75 said:
hello


I'm an arab, and I'm originally from Iraq and my family lives less than 1000 Km away from the probable place you're in right now

so, the people that you are "giving hell" are actually my ancesters. and I have doubts that you're doing this for just cause

and I have a probelm with this equation you are working

killing Iraqis = NSX


and the joke that America is in Iraq to free the people,,, well, no one is laughing at that joke anymore

so my advice to you

please, go back to the US and stay there until there is a real cause to kill inocent people

and keep in mind, history records everything
Sound familiar? That was your first post on this thread.
cmhs75 said:
and final point, I was draged into this "america is the devil" speach, so reep what you sew
No one "dragged" you in here. You entered this thread via your own will. YOU were the one who changed the tone of this thread by your very first post.

Also, how do you get "killing Iraqis = NSX" by what 19dcavscout said? Let me fill you in on something. "killing Iraqis = NSX" was never said nor implied by 19dcavscout.
 
Well, we have Saddam in custody. Since the Iraqis are so sick of us, we should just reinstate Saddam as their wonderful leader again and put this all to rest. Thanks for clearing things up with us cmhs75, we had no idea you guys liked him so much. I'll give W a call tomorrow and give him the heads up. The Kurds might get a little upset because he killed a few of them but the majority should rule. None of this uprising ever happened when Saddam was in power. No innocent people were ever killed when he ruled. We really screwed up, sorry...
 
Autophile said:
Sound familiar? That was your first post on this thread.
No one "dragged" you in here. You entered this thread via your own will. YOU were the one who changed the tone of this thread by your very first post.

Also, how do you get "killing Iraqis = NSX" by what 19dcavscout said? Let me fill you in on something. "killing Iraqis = NSX" was never said nor implied by 19dcavscout.

he said he was in Iraq so he can make mony to buy an NSX

and the guy who posted after him said "give'em hell"

my argument stands
 
Malibu Rapper said:
Well, we have Saddam in custody. Since the Iraqis are so sick of us, we should just reinstate Saddam as their wonderful leader again and put this all to rest. Thanks for clearing things up with us cmhs75, we had no idea you guys liked him so much. I'll give W a call tomorrow and give him the heads up. The Kurds might get a little upset because he killed a few of them but the majority should rule. None of this uprising ever happened when Saddam was in power. No innocent people were ever killed when he ruled. We really screwed up, sorry...

he seems to have created less trouble than the US,

so if you bring Saddam hussain back, will you then promise to leave us alone? because right now, america is making previous Saddam crime efforts look really lame in comparison.
 
Vizal said:
Admin please lock thread. I indefinitely have cmhs75 in my ignore list :cool:

how about the rest ofthe world, are they on your list to?
 
I never wanted this to turn into this kind of discussion. All i meant by the nsx thing is that since i am in iraq it is a great way to save moeny. i have little to no expenses plus i get combat pay and stuff and i have no taxes over here. not at anytime did i mean that killing iraqis means i can get one. And about the benefits of the reserves. The reserves have some good benefits. Some great ones actually. The ARMY pays for your college and will give you retirement and it looks great on your resume. It really does. And the one thing you all have to remember is that everyone who is in the ARMY is a volunteer. We are a 100% volunteer ARMY. Even those who complain about stop loss have no right too. It was in there contract under the War Clause. Its all in writing. They knew what could happen if we went to war. It was there choice. That is all I have to say about that. And America has not ever done anythign close to the horrific things sadam has done to the poeple of this country. And I dont know how you could argue that right there. Well I am sorry for bringing this topic up people. Like I said all I wanted to say was hi and that all is well here. Good luck all!

Nick
 
look guys, this is really getting out of hand

if you want to continue like this, then I can go on for ever. and it's for the good of no one

so let's end it


I'm not the type that makes enemies

so everyone write down what you detest about what I said, and I'll apolagize for it, in order to end this debate that is clearly going no where.
 
Well i'm from the UK and as such i'm not blinded by patriotism(sp?) towards America as you suggest the other members of this board are.
It seems to me then that the US cant win.Saddam's reign had to come to an end,the guy was a mass murderer and would not co-operate for years with the UN regarding the inspection of WMD's.America and its allys moved in to free Iraq of this tyrant.
So having removed Saddam and his henchmen from power,do you really suggest the US should have just up sticks and gone home,without first staying to make sure there was some sort of steady government in place to take over the running of the country.
If they had done that they would have come in for even more flaq.It would have been "oh great the americans come over,free us of Saddam then p!ss- off back home and leave us to pick up the pieces of a broken country"
Politics is never straight forward :rolleyes:
 
19dcavscout said:
I never wanted this to turn into this kind of discussion. All i meant by the nsx thing is that since i am in iraq it is a great way to save moeny. i have little to no expenses plus i get combat pay and stuff and i have no taxes over here. not at anytime did i mean that killing iraqis means i can get one. And about the benefits of the reserves. The reserves have some good benefits. Some great ones actually. The ARMY pays for your college and will give you retirement and it looks great on your resume. It really does. And the one thing you all have to remember is that everyone who is in the ARMY is a volunteer. We are a 100% volunteer ARMY. Even those who complain about stop loss have no right too. It was in there contract under the War Clause. Its all in writing. They knew what could happen if we went to war. It was there choice. That is all I have to say about that. And America has not ever done anythign close to the horrific things sadam has done to the poeple of this country. And I dont know how you could argue that right there. Well I am sorry for bringing this topic up people. Like I said all I wanted to say was hi and that all is well here. Good luck all!

Nick
This was not and is not your fault, Nick.

We appreciate you and your colleagues.

Ignore the BS spouted by one person on this thread.

Get home safe soon.
 
brahtw8 said:
While I realize his views are unpopular, it is a mistake to dismiss cmhs75's opinion.

Indeed, it is the ease by which we dismiss such opinions that has led to some of the problems created by our long occupation of Iraq.

Many of the Iraqi people welcome us with open arms, but many others welcome us with explosive devices. My friend's little brother was killed on Friday.

Until we take a hard look at US policy in the middle east and our support of brutal, oppressive regimes there and elsewhere, (the Caspian pipeline is just one example of the regimes we support where our economic interests are at stake) we will never be the force for good that we can be. It breaks my heart to see our soldiers die for their pure ideals when the reality of our mission is far more tainted.

Our soldiers are amazing people that deserve better from their government. Yet, we see veteran benefits cut, hospitals closing, and the reserves denied participation in the post-Iraq health care given to the regular troops, despite 20% of them having no health care and reserves making up 40% of the troops in Iraq. (My friend's brother was supposed to be done with his term in October 2004 and had registered for college, but was sent back under 'stop loss')

Given how different that those on either side of the US political spectrum see the Iraqi war, is it any wonder that the rest of the world sees us in a far different light?

As for the Koran desecration, the US government has confirmed that abuse of the Koran occurred. They deny that it was flushed down the toilet, but they do confirm that it was 'mishandled'.

As for the toilet story, that was confirmed by a US Govt. official (hence Newsweek printed it). That official recanted and Newsweek issued its apology. However, allegations of Koran abuse are found in the FBI documentation of exit interviews with lawyers who met with GB detainees who have since been released. (And thus presumably not members of AQ, since we don't release AQ, and thus not trained to claim Koran desecration when captured, as some have speculated).

These allegations were also confirmed at one time by a current detainee, but the Govt. has stated this person has since recanted while still in custody. We are left to wonder whether they were lying then or whether they have been pressured to change their story.

We are not in the empire business. We were supposed to be a Republic. Our action and non-action in the rest of the world belies our alleged humanitarian purpose in Iraq.

I love this country, but it is not a blind love like a child loves his mother, and mommy can do no wrong. When I see my country going down the wrong path I want to make it right, not pretend it isn't happening.

While our government tries to bring down the UN through Bolton (whose nomination would be the end of the UN, or at least US participation in the UN) and the bogus investigation of the oil for food program, we do nothing about the 8.8 Billion for Iraqi reconstruction that was stolen from the provisional government, under our watch. Our troops our dying because the Iraqi people did not get the reconstruction they were promised and nobody in this country wants to hear about the gross war profiteering that has gone on and continues to go on.

But go ahead, call me a communist for daring to raise these issues. To shout down dissent as unpatriotic has a long history in this country.


Well put. If flushing a book down the toilet is the answer to someone having their head cut off while being video taped then...... The whole thing seems pointless to me. I can say without a doubt there is nothing I would be willing to have my head cut off for.
 
Nick -

Please disregard all the other balderdash and utter nonsense in this thread.

I'm sure that most people on this forum would join me when I say:
"Be safe, take care, and come home soon".

Godspeed.
 
Sig said:
Where The World Terrorist News Channels (Al-jeezera, Al-Arabia, and their sibling state-sponsored channels) are treated as 'news' versus the radical op/ed terrorist sponsored blather it truly represents. With few exceptions, the people of these nations are the most oppressed/controlled by their own governments on the planet. Why do you not protest as strongly against on this issue?

Why don't I get The World Terrorist News Channels (Al-jeezera, Al-Arabia, and their sibling state-sponsored channels) on my cable box? Do the people of Saudi Arabia get CNN? Why do they get both sides of the story and I only get one?

I am not anti-war or pro-war I simply want all the opinions not just the ones that are tailored for me.
 
Da Hapa said:
Nick -

Please disregard all the other balderdash and utter nonsense in this thread.

I'm sure that most people on this forum would join me when I say:
"Be safe, take care, and come home soon".

Godspeed.


AGREED!!!!

Thank You Nick. Thanks for all your hard work to keep me and my family, and our country safe and free!

God Bless.
 
NsXMas said:
hmmm, it seems like everyone is against your posts. Get a clue already.

I already did,

though I have to admite I'm very surprised by this clue I found, but boy was it a clue

the only thing I can do now is pray for americans to have a better future, cuss after getting a general idea of what american heads are full of, all I can say is DAMN!!

arabs before Iraq attack:

our governments are so bad, why can't they be like the american government, now thats a government to be proud of



arabs after iraq attack:

our governments are so bad, but hey at least it's not likethe american goernment, now that's a governemt to dispise
 
steveny said:
Why don't I get The World Terrorist News Channels (Al-jeezera, Al-Arabia, and their sibling state-sponsored channels) on my cable box? Do the people of Saudi Arabia get CNN? Why do they get both sides of the story and I only get one?

I am not anti-war or pro-war I simply want all the opinions not just the ones that are tailored for me.


Corrupt and twisted as they may be, I regret to say these stations are in fact available in the United States. As for state sponsored media (i.e. Iranian, TV N. Korean channels), they are not available for obvious reasons resulting from a closed society.

In addition, per the CNN comment... they are not pro-America by any stretch of the imagination. They have been in the past, it changes with administrations... just as it does with other major media outlets in reverse.

The point of the statement is that similar view points in coutries like Iran and North Korea would result in hanfuls of executions. Whereas in the United States, contra-viewpoints are celebrated with big ratings and frontpage articles.
 
jaytip nsx said:
Well i'm from the UK and as such i'm not blinded by patriotism(sp?) towards America as you suggest the other members of this board are.

So having removed Saddam and his henchmen from power,do you really suggest the US should have just up sticks and gone home,without first staying to make sure there was some sort of steady government in place to take over the running of the country.
:

I'm sugesting that if the US did really have freeing Iraq in thier mind, they would have gone though it in a diffenet manner after the fall of saddam. But clearly their are there for other puposes and if creating a stable government was thier only intetion they would have been out of there ages ago.

ever heard of black gold?
 
cmhs75 said:
I already did,

though I have to admite I'm very surprised by this clue I found, but boy was it a clue

the only thing I can do now is pray for americans to have a better future, cuss after getting a general idea of what american heads are full of, all I can say is DAMN!!

arabs before Iraq attack:

our governments are so bad, why can't they be like the american government, now thats a government to be proud of



arabs after iraq attack:

our governments are so bad, but hey at least it's not likethe american goernment, now that's a governemt to dispise

Flags and US presidential likenesses have been buring in the streets of Middle East nations for as long as I can remember. This is not a new development. One day the masses will rise up once the realization becomes more widespread that their despotic totalitarian government's are the cause of most pains in Middle East daily life. I pedict Iran will arrive at this tipping point in the next 10-15 years. We still see the govies and their henchmen on the streets buring US flags and their 'government body' chanting, "Death to America!" while ratifying their nuclear legislation... but the emotional undercurrent of the people is strongly against the Mullahs and pro-western. It's only a matter of time.
 
brahtw8 said:

oh no! here we start on the war of webistes supporting our claims,


Nop, sorry, not going to get dragged into this one,

I'm kicking my self all over for replying in the thread in the first place, but I am happy I did, you see, I learned something by doing so, I thought most americans were against the iraq attack, now I know otherwise


most powerfull nation in the world (probably in history) + evil government administration + chauvinist citizens = BAD REALY REALY BAD
 
Sig said:
Flags and US presidential likenesses have been buring in the streets of Middle East nations for as long as I can remember. This is not a new development. One day the masses will rise up once the realization becomes more widespread that their despotic totalitarian government's are the cause of most pains in Middle East daily life. I pedict Iran will arrive at this tipping point in the next 10-15 years. We still see the govies and their henchmen on the streets buring US flags and their 'government body' chanting, "Death to America!" while ratifying their nuclear legislation... but the emotional undercurrent of the people is strongly against the Mullahs and pro-western. It's only a matter of time.

I can't burn the american flag, my oprrsing government would inprison me!

LOL, kidding, I wouldn't do that. the people who do that are ignorent and they usually have their reasons to hate the us, but I don't want to open this topic here, this thread is long enough already

and don't count on anyone going up against there governments over here, you see after what the us did, they made these evil governments look really good

and my friends who visited the US always here things like "twoel head, ragtop, and sandniger, and I put the quraan in my ass" for as long as I can remember to, so what do you think?
 
I think your friens met a very small group of ignorant fools while over here. For the most part, the USA is a very accepting society. There are of course exceptions to the rule however.

Like I said before, I have many arab and muslim friends that are very close to me. I also know their views on the US and the Iraq situation. Not one of them has said anything to me about what we are doing is wrong. It is very easy for both of us to sit on opposite sides of the world and judge without knowing what the other has truley seen. I believe that if you were to come to the States and live life the way we do here, you would be reluctant to return. This is of course just my opinion.

Let me ask you this, and in all seriousness. Can you go up to your Gov. body and tell them to go to hell with out ramifications? Can you Openly practice your religion if it is other than the Islam? Do you really have the freedom to do as you choose?

From friends on the front lines in Iraq, I know that before the fall of Saddam, they could not. That my friend, is not freedom.

I understand that you are just as against Saddam as the rest of us, but you also need to understand that the USA has been dealing with him for a long time and feel that we needed to step in and stop the criminal and murderous actions of his regime. Too long have the people there lived in fear. After the USA sets a stable gov. of Iraqs people in motion, we will leave. But we are not going to go in, wipe out Saddam, and leave for some other Thug to take over where he left off.
 
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