Help, Seeking advice on a Problematic Neighbor who Videotapes, Photographs, etc.

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:frown: How do I begin?

First, a short history:

About two years ago, someone bought the house across the street from us. At first, she seemed to be very nice, and ecstatic about buying her home. She then became more active in the HOA. Things went downhill from there. She started accusing the board members of corruption, stealing money, hiring maintenance contractors that the board members had a personal stake in, etc. etc. She started suing the HOA constantly, draining our budget to the point where the HOA no longer fights her.

To the point:

She takes videos and still pictures of us. On a few occasions, she has taken videos and pictures of my neighbor's children who were in their bathing suits playing in their pool backyard.

She has installed video cameras on her house. She walks/drives around videotaping and taking pictures of everyone from her car, driveway or sidewalk.

For the past 3 months, she has targeted my family. Why do I say that? Other than making it VERY obvious that she is videotaping and taking pictures of us, she now walks on the sidewalk in front of my house, up and down verbally 'cursing' us. "I curse everything this family does, I curse this house, I curse these cars, I curse it all." She also takes pictures of the license plates of any car that parks on our driveway.

Up to this point, we have ignored her thinking she will go away. There have been a few times that we say "Is there a problem, can we help you?" when she walks up and down the sidewalk in front of our driveway. She never responds, she just takes out her camera phone and takes pictures.

Is there any advice anyone can give me on how to handle this situation? My concern is now growing about the safety of my family and property. I don't know what the laws are concerning photography of subjects on private party... but something is just not right.

Is there anything I, or my fellow homeowners can do?

Any advice at all? (Other than stepping on the gas when I see her cross the street.)
 
Maybe you should stop stealing money :smile: .
Kidding of course...she sounds like a total psycho. I would contact the police and see if they'll have a talk with her, this is harrassment after all. If they're unwilling, i'd have my attorney send her a nastygram to cease and desist, with an order of protection being the next step. As for stepping on the gas when she crosses the street....her housecam will probably record you in the act of mowing her down :rolleyes: ....at least try to do it at night so the resolution might not be good enough to make out your smiling face.
 
Maybe she's lonely. invite her over. and then bash her head in. :redface:

Consult a Lawyer 1st. Gather the whole HOA together. Or video tape her, video taping you. Eye for an Eye, in this case. A Lens for an Lens.

Goodluck.
 
What does she look like? Maybe you should bang her:biggrin:
 
Cursing you and your car? She's either a witch or corvette fanatic from Texas. Hopefully the latter. :D

My advice is don't hit her with the car unless you need a new bodykit. Have you discussed this problem with your other neighbours? Otherwise give me a call and perhaps we can get her on my show. :D
 
IANAL, but based on the info you've provided thus far, advise you proceed with caution.

a neighbor couple with whom we're casual friends had a next door neighbor (family) who objected to the fact that the people we knew skinny dipped in their pool... even though there was a fence blocking the view from ground level. turns out the objecting neighbor's kids would climb in their tree house to watch them skinny dip, then complain to their parents. the parents put a video camera IN THE TREEHOUSE, filmed it and filed a lawsuit.

over several years, it cost the neighbor folks we know ~$100k to defend themselves against many allegations.

when their case was eventually dismissed, the complainers finally moved.

UH-MAZING :frown:
 
As of Jan. 1st 2006 there is a Papparazi law in CA stating that it is illegal to "intentionally" photograph somebody without their permission on their own private property... :rolleyes:

I'd suggest you get a lawyer.
 
This is an easy one. Do either of two things. Have her knocked off. If your dont believe in that than just do the most logical thing. DO exactly what she does to you. Get yourself a video camera(if you dont already have one) and everytime shes cursing or especially taking pics. Walk right up to her and start video taping her. Dont say a word to her or respond to her if she says anything. Keep your distance say 10-15 feet. People do have a bubble but seriously. This will get to her for sure. Obviously shes not just looking for attention because from the sound of it you've already ignored her and that didnt work so shes really nuts. Just film her doing it and it will give you your evidence A and it will B maybe make her tweak out and string herself up or lay the hell off!:biggrin:
 
As of Jan. 1st 2006 there is a Papparazi law in CA stating that it is illegal to "intentionally" photograph somebody without their permission on their own private property... :rolleyes:

I'd suggest you get a lawyer.

This may be interesting to you as follow-up to ShiftyBob's advice.
http://www.dwt.com/related_links/adv_bulletins/CMITWint1999RedefPriv.htm

Even though principally for Paparazzi type situations there are many elements that are relevant to your situation. For example the party can still be guilty of "constructive invasion of privacy" even when there is not actual physical trespass onto private property (read the link rather than have me quote it all here)

Do either of two things.

Have her knocked off.

DO exactly what she does to you. Get yourself a video camera(if you dont already have one) and everytime shes cursing or especially taking pics. Walk right up to her and start video taping her.

Don't think either of those is a good idea!

Now - I'm not sure how you prove the behaviour other than by witnesses - using a camera in retort is surely similar behavoiur under definition of the law and could certainly be argued as to who is the initiating party (in a suit, photographs or videos will only show similar behaviours by both parties). So I would generally recommend not replying is kind by your own photo or video documentation, as it will only likely mitigate (or cancel out) her own use.

Get legal advice before you take any action so you can fully understand the consequences of that action.

Disclaimer & caution: I am not a lawyer & have no legal training - just regurgitating from the internet with my own interpretation derived from others information.
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Try talking nice to her. Let her know that you respect her and want to get along. Be sincere and try to convince her you are willing to do what ever it takes to be friends again.
A thoughtful, heartfelt appeal is sure to win her over and change the way you get along.
 
By your description she may be paraniod/schyzophrenic and be poorly medicated:frown: I would see if you can talk to some family members and confirm a history of mental illness,if not then I would pursue the other avenues suggested,,,except for Mikes'(Kid) he sounds a little too lonely himself:wink:
 
DAMN!

I can't believe something like this could really happen!


I'll give my advise, although you might find it weird

1- treat her very very good. No matter what she does, she's still your next door neighbor and should be treated well, regardless of what she does. You be the better person. Just be patient. Treat her as kindly as you could ever afford to.
2- This woman is obviously mentally ill. Nothing else explains he behavior. I think it's your duty to seek professional help for her. I don't know the laws of your country, but there should be some sort of agency to help poor people like this, she can't be left alone in state like this.
 
Locate her past medical records showing her mental illness. Make lots of copies and leave them in everyones mailbox and post them for all to see. Embarass her to the point she won't want to live where people know her secert business!
 
Eesh. Retain a lawyer ASAP. I would definitely advise against speaking to her.

Yup. Do not engage in any way with her. If she just has hours and hours of your family doing normal stuff, without you talking to her, she looks like a stalker to authorities.

Call a lawyer, have him get the law involved, and you will probably be able to get a TRO against her, using her own tapes as evidence of her activities and the threat you have concluded she may present to you & your family.
 
Sorry to hear. Definitely get the police involved, even if it's just to file a report with them to get it on record that you have noticed these 'strange' or 'threatening' behavoris from your neighbor. Although, legally i don't think what she's been doing can be considered threatening yet. Annoying defintely! Also, anything happends to your property, family, she'll be the first and primary suspect with you filing the police report on record.

So, check with the local authority, see if you have grounds for filing a restraining order, or tresspassing ..etc. Understand all your legal rights and implication of your actions and hers.
 
Do you have crazy friends? If this happened to me I would just let my crazy friends know. She would either be killed, commit suicide or move very soon. Crazy friends are cool to have around sometimes.
 
By your description she may be paraniod/schyzophrenic and be poorly medicated:frown: I would see if you can talk to some family members and confirm a history of mental illness,if not then I would pursue the other avenues suggested,,,except for Mikes'(Kid) he sounds a little too lonely himself:wink:

I agree, she definetly sounds schyzophrenic.
 
Okay, now for some real advice.
KEEP A JOURNAL. This is coming straight from the police, not me.
Buy a notebook and write down the following for every incident:
1. The starting date and time
2. Exactly what she is doing
3. The ending time (hopefully the date will be the same, ha ha)

If you just go to the cops and complain, you put yourself in an extremely big group of people who do the same, usually unwarranted. But if you go to the police with a log book with months of entries, they are required BY LAW to go and do something about it. This works for barking dogs as well as stalkers.
And it's FREE.
 
Someone needs to go back on their meds! Conrad, I don't know what I'd do if I were in your situation.
 
When she goes out shopping install speakers in her attic vents and then start talking to her in a very deep voice late at night.

"MS XXXX I can see your thoughts...they make me very angry....stop bothering the nice man with the NSX....he also can see your thoughts.....oh and the unicorns are not your friends...."




So seriously..you gotta keep records of everything she does..it's the only way the police/health dept can help you/her.
 
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