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Fluoridation / Fluoride
Toxic Chemicals In Your Water
Note: For more information on health-building techniques, please see the Holistic Healing Web Page.


Fluoride compounds which are put in water (fluoridation), toothpaste and supplement tablets (including some vitamins) were never tested for safety before approval. Recent independent research by scientists not associated with dental trade organizations has shown the following:

1. Neurotoxic and Lowers IQ
In 1995, neurotoxicologist and former Director of toxicology at Forsyth Dental Center in Boston, Dr. Phyllis Mullenix published research showing that fluoride built up in the brains of animals when exposed to moderate levels. Damage to the brain occured and the behavior patterns of the animals was adversely effected. Offspring of pregnant animals receiving relatively low doses of fluoride showed permanent effects to the brain which were seen as hyperactivity (ADD-like symptoms). Young animals and adult animals given fluoride experienced the opposite effect -- hypoactivity or sluggishness. The toxic effects of fluoride on the central nervous system was subsequently confirmed by previously-classified government research. Two new epidemiological studies which tend to confirm fluoride's neurotoxic effects on the brain have shown that children exposed to higher levels of fluoride had lower IQs.

2. A study published in Brain Research shows that rats drinking only 1 part per million fluoride (NaF) in water had histologic lesions in their brain similar to Alzheimer's disease and dementia. In addition, evidence was seen pointing to possible damage to the blood brain barrier from extended fluoride exposure. This study was the third in a series of papers published by Varner et al. Brain Research Vol. 784 No. 12 p 284-298 (1998). Results of this recent study and other studies showing significant dangers from low-level fluoride exposure were presented at a recent scientific symposium.

3. Causes Cancer
The Department of Health in New Jersey found that bone cancer in male children was between two and seven times greater in areas where water was fluoridated. U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) researchers confirmed the bone cancer-causing effects of fluoride at low levels in an animal model. A new study has shown that fluoridation of water is linked to uterine cancer deaths.

4. Changes Bone Structure and Strength
Fluoride gradually builds up in the bones and causes adverse changes to the bone structure. Quite a few studies have shown that fluoridation leads to increases in hip fractures. The tensile strength of the hip is destroyed over time by fluoride ingestion.

5. Causes Birth Defects and Perinatal Deaths
A toxicologist in the United Kingdom recently found that perinatal deaths in a fluoridated area was 15% higher than in neighboring non-fluoridated areas. The fluoridated area had a higher socio-economic status and would have been expected to have less perinatal deaths. The fluoridated area also had a 30% higher rate of Down's Syndrome. Chile banned fluoridation because of research by the world-reknowned researcher, Dr Albert Schatz, which showed a link to infant deaths due to fluoridation.

6. Proven Ineffective
Fluoride compounds in water and in supplements do not provide any significant cavity-protecting effects. All of the recent large-scale studies of water fluoridation have shown that there are no positive effects. That is why countries without fluoridation have shown an equal improvement in dental health as those with fluoridation. (See Research Item #5.) There is scientific evidence that excessive fluoride exposure leads to increased levels of caries. Even pro-fluoridation scientists admit that there is not any properly-conducted research showing that fluoride supplements help prevent cavities. (Note: check vitamins carefully to be sure they do not include fluoride.)

7. Impairs Immune System
Independent research has shown that fluoride impairs the functioning of the immune system. In the United States, where toxic fluoride compounds are regularly added to water and given to children since the 1960s and 1970s, we are beginning to see an overwhelming number of people of that generation who are developing chronic immune system disorders.

8. Causes Acute Adverse Reactions
Several double-blind studies have shown that fluoridated water can often cause acute adverse reactions (in addition to the chronic poisoning effects discussed below). Some of the effects seen in double-blind studies include: gastrointestinal symptoms, stomatitis, joint pains, polydipsia, headaches, visual disturbances, muscular weakness, and extreme tiredness. An enlightening review of a book by one famous and well-respected researcher from The Netherlands who found adverse reactions in double-blind experiments can be read here.

9. Causes Initial Stages of Skeletal Fluorosis
Fluoride can cause severe skeletal fluorosis at high levels. Chronic, long-term exposure to levels of fluoride commonly found in water and food in the U.S. can cause the beginning stages of skeletal fluorosis including: pains in bones and joints, sensations of burning, pricking, and tingling in the limbs, muscle weakness, chronic fatigue, gastrointestinal disorders, reduced appetite, backache, osteoarthritis, etc. In fact, decades of ingestion of fluoride from water and other common sources can be expected to cause these symptoms in large numbers of people based on calculations of fluoride intake and excretion. (Keep in mind that fluoride is a cumulative poison since it builds up in the body of years.) Very few healthcare practitioners are capable of diagnosing such a condition because healthcare practitioners are not trained to test for or recognize the effects chronic poisoning from fluoride.

10. Increases Lead and Arsenic Exposure
Fluoride compounds put into water are often contaminated with lead, arsenic and radio nuclides since the fluoride compounds are toxic waste byproducts which largely come from pollution scrubbers of fertilizer plants. A study published in 2000 showed that the dumping of toxic silicofluoride compounds into water ("fluoridation") causes an increase in blood lead levels in children.

11. Fluoride Causes Osteoarthritis
In a study published in Rhuematology International in 2001, researchers found a link between fluoride exposure and the development of osteoarthritis. The level of exposure that caused osteoarthritis is common in the United States.

12. Contributes to the Development of Repetitive Stress Injury
A clinical study in New Zealand showed that fluoride ingestion may be a contributing factor in the development of Repetative Stress Injury (RSI) since such ingestion may encourage the development of apatite crystal formation. Elimination of fluoride plus regular supplementation of magnesium appeared to help RSI patients considerably.

13. Causes Permanent Disfigurement of the Teeth in Many Children
A very large and increasing number of children are experiencing dental fluorosis which is a permanent adverse structural change to the teeth.

14. Inhibits Key Enzymes
As fluoride builds up in different parts of the body over decades it can disrupt the actions of many key enzymes. This fact has been known for a long time.

15. Supresses Thyroid Function
Fluoride was given at low levels during the early to mid 20th century as an effective way of supressing thyroid function and treating hyperthyroidism. Articles and research can be found on the Thyroid web page.

16. Causes Large Numbers of Acute Poisonings
Fluoride is an extremely poisonous substances at exceptionally low doses and has caused a large number of acute poisonings. This is why a poison warning is now required on fluoridated toothpastes sold in the U.S.

17. Independent Experts Oppose Dumping Fluoride Into Water
Over 1500 professionals at the US EPA, including toxicologists and risk assessment experts voted unanimously to oppose the fluoridation initiative in California because of the health risks involved. See summary or official EPA union statement. Even the Candian Dental Association Consultant and Researcher urged people to avoid drinking fluoridated water.

18. Unethical
Fluoridation amounts to forced medication of the water supply. Such practices demonstrate a complete lack of ethics on the part of its promoters. Studies as early the 1930s showed extreme hazards to man and the environment due to fluoride dumping and exposure. Companies and organizations involved used the promotion of "fluoridation" as a way to avoid lawsuits due to dumping toxic wastes and later for economic gain. Please read the short history of fluoridation for more detailed information.

19. Banned in Many Countries
Fluoridation is not legal or not used in the overwhelming number of countries including industrialized countries. Please see Fluoride Status of Countries web page.


Many independent researchers, organizations, holistic healthcare experts and a growing number of dentists who avoid the use of toxic substances are warning their patients to avoid fluoridated water and fluoridated toothpaste and to definately not give children any fluoride since they appear to be more susceptible to the neurological toxicity from fluoride.

If your water department adds toxic fluoride compounds to the water, the best course of action is usually to drink and cook with bottled "spring" water. Carbon filters do not remove fluoride compounds to any significant extent. Avoid putting fluoridated water in humidifiers. Many non-organic juices have large amounts of fluoride from pesticide residues. It is best to juice your own vegetables and fruits from organic produce or go to a health food store to purchase organic juices.

Avoid toothpastes that have fluoride even if the manufacturers claim that the fluoride came from "natural" sources. Even though topical fluoride treatment may have an effect to help remineralize cavities at the early stages, the combination of a healthy diet, proper dental hygiene and saliva can have a similar effect. It is impossible to avoid swallowing some fluoride from fluoridated toothpaste. I have tried various toothpastes and current use the natural Weleda toothpaste with baking soda. I like that fact that it does not contain fluoride or the detergent, sodium lauryl sulfate (SLS).

More detailed information about fluoride and proper dental care:

* Fluoridation Does Not Prevent Tooth Decay

* Fluoride: Detailed General & Scientific Information

* Fluoride: Journal of the International Society for Fluoride Research

* Parents of Fluoride Poisoned Children: Main Page / Toxicological Profile / Thyroid Page

* International Academy of Oral Medicine & Toxicology Position Paper on Fluoridation (Click on Download Article)

* Scientific Statement Signed By 1,500+ U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Scientists and Professionals

* NoFluoride.com (Statements by Scientific and Medical Experts)

* Fluoride Action Network

* Fluoride Issues Web Page

* Fluorides & Fluoridation: Evidence Based on Science?

* Citizens for Safe Drinking Water

* Fluoride: The Deadly Legacy by Gary Null

* Book Review: The Fluoride Deception

* History of Fluorine, Fluoride and Fluoridation

* Article & Resources for Eliminating Dental Disease

* Alternatives to Fluoridated Water

* Preventive Dental Association

* Dental Fluorosis Prevention Program

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I also tell people to avoid brushing and flossing because I need to pay for my anticipated exotic purchase by the end of the year.
 
With the exception of Florida all my homes have been or are on wells.

You should see the water filtration system at my lake house, it's on a well not drawing from the lake. The system looks like a science project.
 
hand out candy too. That's what my dentist does. :biggrin:

I do. Sugar Daddy's and Jolly Rancher's go home with every patient! :biggrin: I also recommend putting all candy bar's in the freezer before consumption. Broken molars are the best.
 
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I avoid Fluoride at all costs. I only drink vodka. I even brush my teeth with it.
 
Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

Great quote! :biggrin:

+1

i'm sure i've paid for more than one dental professional's new pool or non-essential goodies.

Since when is a new pool a "non-essential goodie"? :cool:
 
WOW its clear that when I want to post something that I think is important to us all, it gets laughed at on this "OFF TOPIC" thread. Im so sorry to bother you all. I guess its because I had a divorce and owning an NSX was not a priority in my life. Sorry I couldnt be as "rich" as you guys that know everything.

Also makes me sad that I was lead to believe that what happened to me was for the "American people" (the one's that could care less)

Thats ok I'll own an NSX again, but i wont be part of this site. the only person that ever gave me an ounce of respect was steve NY and nsx 75 (a good friend)
see ya.....:mad:
 
you're right - what was i thinking? (it was >100f here yesterday... and the bees were pissed... but at least they have a pond to cool off in.)

Well, I think you should build the bees their own swimming pool. It should have little bee diving boards and little bee slides. To stay on topic, will their pool have Fluoride in the water?
 
WOW its clear that when I want to post something that I think is important to us all, it gets laughed at on this "OFF TOPIC" thread. Im so sorry to bother you all. I guess its because I had a divorce and owning an NSX was not a priority in my life. Sorry I couldnt be as "rich" as you guys that know everything.

Also makes me sad that I was lead to believe that what happened to me was for the "American people" (the one's that could care less)

Thats ok I'll own an NSX again, but i wont be part of this site. the only person that ever gave me an ounce of respect was steve NY and nsx 75 (a good friend)
see ya.....:mad:

Hey man, I hear ya. I think the scientific research has generally concluded that small amounts of flouride in the water supply is generally good. However, it has always* struck me as odd -like you- that we are voluntarily putting chemicals in our water, particularly for a nonessential reason like to make peoples' teeth stronger. Humans track record on trying to improve the environment by introducing new organisms/substances has been abysmal, often with really bad unintended consequences.

Somewhat off topic, but I personally think that why an odd disease like cancer is so ubiquitous in modern society must have something to do with some unavoidable carcinogen/exposure. Electronics, microwaves, plastics, consumer products (lotions, soaps, deodorants), could be culprits over the course of a lifetime.
 
WOW its clear that when I want to post something that I think is important to us all, it gets laughed at on this "OFF TOPIC" thread. Im so sorry to bother you all. I guess its because I had a divorce and owning an NSX was not a priority in my life. Sorry I couldnt be as "rich" as you guys that know everything.

Also makes me sad that I was lead to believe that what happened to me was for the "American people" (the one's that could care less)

Thats ok I'll own an NSX again, but i wont be part of this site. the only person that ever gave me an ounce of respect was steve NY and nsx 75 (a good friend)
see ya.....:mad:

Hang on a second. I don't own an NSX either. I never have. There are lots of threads that I start and don't get a single response. Not even a joking one. Sometimes people just don't care or don't have any input to give. But it's ok. I'm fine with it. I still feel the love from the Prime community. :smile:

Back on topic, this was a big to do in my city a few years ago. They wanted to add flouride to the city's water supply. Lots of people were against it for the reasons stated above. Obviously the city won and we now have it in our system.

For the dentists out there, if we have flouride in our drinking water, should we still do the flouride treatments at our 6 month teeth cleanings?
 
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I didn't respond to your poll because I didnt like any of the answers...

We drink Arrowhead bottled water in my home...supposedly originates from mountain spring water...but who knows. What can you do.
 
I tend to be skeptical of anything done by the government, or advocated by lobbying groups, for "our benefit".

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Hey Sarge sorry I didn't answer the poll but it really didn't apply to me. I DON'T drink public water. I avoid it when ever I can. It tastes like shit to me. When I was in Florida I would buy bottled water and drink that, but even then there is the issue of the water being stored in plastic. In Florida I think they take the salt out of sea water and send that to the tap. It is awful!!

Even here in NY I don't even drink the water from the tap and it's run through a VERY intricate filter system. Hydrogen peroxide is injected into the water and then extracted back out along with the non desirables it bonds to, Sulfur. I still buy bottled water, we even cook with it. But who even knows if that's good for ya, you know?

Like Al Pachino said it the movie HEAT, "you can get killed walking your doggie".

I looked at the choices and here was my thoughts

I never knew this, I'm concerned now...
I did know and was concerned about it but there is nothing I can do short of trying not to drink it.

I knew it, but I don't care because I'm to old to do anything about it now.
I don't consider myself old BUT I am too old to do anything about my own fluoride consumption at this point BUT not to old to do anything about my daughters fluoride consumption. The house I grew up in, we only had water when we could afford to pay the electric bill, water was on a well and the pump operated on electric, no juice no water UNLESS it was winter and we could melt snow on the wood stove :(

Your a nut, I'll keep denying the truth as long as I have my NSX

Well I only agree with half this statement and I sold the NSX many years ago. LOL :) love ya bud.

Lastly, Thanks for your service to this country. I am sorry this country has not returned to you the same although I don't think there is anything this country could EVER give back to you to make up for what you have given.

At Ease......
 
I tend to be skeptical of anything done by the government, or advocated by lobbying groups, for "our benefit".

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Growing up in a house on a well this explains A LOT!!! :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 
Well, I think you should build the bees their own swimming pool. It should have little bee diving boards and little bee slides. To stay on topic, will their pool have Fluoride in the water?
the high-performance hive has a very nice pond with lily pads for diving platforms w/in 3' of their hive (the under-performing bees live in the other hive which is ~5' away from the pond). yup, the water is outta the tap so is fluoridated. (btw, in an effort to be slightly more self-sustaining, 3 years ago i sought permission to install a well on our property and was denied - we don't have water rights and, from the woulda-been-good-for-hal dept, we sit directly over the aquifer that supplies our water.)
 
I tend to be skeptical of anything done by the government, or advocated by lobbying groups, for "our benefit".

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interesting video, thx, russ.
 
WOW its clear that when I want to post something that I think is important to us all, it gets laughed at on this "OFF TOPIC" thread.
sarge,

i felt that only #1 (I never knew this, im concerned now) was a sincere response category, but it didn't apply to me. i've heard fluoridation since i was a kid (my uncle was a water district superintendent in so cal during the late 50's / 60's - this was a huge topic of discussion.)

imho, responses #2 (I knew it, but I dont care because im to old to do anything aboout it now) & #3 (Your a nut, I'll keep denying the truth as long as I have my NSX) set the tone for the humorous responses that followed.
 
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