fastest way around a corner/track

[velo-ct]

I've raced go-karts a goodly amount, and in a kart, if you skid AT ALL, you get passed up in the race. It's absolutely a major slow-down to drift in a kart. Not sure if it's the same in a vehicle with a suspension, but I bet it is.

Jeff

Its amazing how many so called "drivers" are out there with so little regard for the laws of physics. Jeff's observations are right on - here's why...

The force a tire can exert on the pavement in any direction is equal to the normal force (think of weight) times the friction coefficient.

When the tire is rolling (grip method) you use the static friction coefficient (Mu sub s) and when it is sliding you use the kinetic friction coefficient (Mu sub k).

The normal force is the same in each case so the amount of grip is then only proportional to the static vs kinetic coefficients. Since the static value is always higher than kinetic, a tire can always exert more force when it is not sliding.

Therefore you could never pass a guy on the track if he is "hooked up" and you are drifting in the same corners in spec cars.

If drifting worked, we could stop faster by locking up all four tires (and save some money on ABS systems too). :smile:

This is even without considering the Next lesson: VECTOR MATH AND THE NEGATIVE IMPLICATIONS FOR DRIFTING-AKA:the larger the drift angle, the higher the component of force in the aft (slow) direction.

And remember students: Sex would be no fun if (Mu sub K) was zero or infinite! :biggrin:

 

[NSX-Racer]

Therefore you could never pass a guy on the track if he is "hooked up" and you are drifting in the same corners in spec cars.

Disagree. If I go sideways through the corner nobody can be faster than me - it's just not enough room for others to pass! :biggrin:

(Funny how some guys here want to argue against drifting with physics nobody in my block could understand)

 

[velo-ct]

Ooops... I almost forgot, drifting CAN be useful sometimes. Like when I have boiled my brakes-I use drifting to SCRUB SPEED through a corner.

 

[NSX-Racer]

the larger the drift angle, the higher the component of force in the aft (slow) direction.

Wrong: The larger the drift angle the more chicks I can take home after the event :tongue:

 

[velo-ct]

Wrong: The larger the drift angle the more chicks I can take home after the event :tongue:

Zehr gut! The first sensible argument!

 

[Andrie Hartanto]

:redface:

Wrong: The larger the drift angle the more chicks I can take home after the event :tongue:

So, what is your record? Mine is 3 after one event

 

[NSX-Racer]

:redface:

So, what is your record? Mine is 3 after one event

We have fixed rates here: 1 for every degree over 45 deg sideways. As I'm a beginner I always leave the track with the same girl I came with - bummer!

 

[kenjiMR]

Wrong: The larger the drift angle the more chicks I can take home after the event :tongue:

I guess thats cool if you're into chicks that are barely out of high school...
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[NSX-Racer]

I guess we hijacked this thread to an amount that makes it really off topic - sorry, Lud, for my misbehaviour :wink:

 

[Casper91]

Are all you guys in High School?
The schizzle talk went out a couple of years ago.

I think this quote sums up the speed theory the drifters have...

How do you know? It certainly feel faster going sideways. Not only it feel faster, but look faster too!

No one is disrespecting Drifting. okay?
How long do you think your tires would last in a race if you drifted the whole time, looking fast so you must be going fast, as well as getting the chicks after...did I miss anything about drifting?

 

[kenjiMR]

I doubt that most good drifters who know what they are doing think that drifting is faster...

Drifting = Macho Figure Skating.

 

[Casper91]

Now that's funny!!! :biggrin: :biggrin:

I do see similarities...

 

[docjohn]

wow 4 folks do believe that sliding,power-on oversteer,drifting,loose as a goose,ect,,is faster. :redface:

 

[Hrant]

If you are not experiencing moderate four wheel drift at track out when you put the power down - as opposed to "real showboat drifting" - you are not going fast enough. And NASCAR more than F1 and CART do slide/glide/drift on 4 wheels if you watch carefully.

But I believe Andrie has recruited Kenji and Ojas and taken all of you for a ride with his shizzle for fizzle smack talk. I am still trying to figure who the 4th voter is!

 

[the nsxnut]

fo shu drifting is shizzle fo' fizzle.

yeah, what he said!

I must say, to all my fellow road racers, this thread gave me a HUGE chuckle :biggrin:

 

[Ponyboy]

I will confess that I voted for drifting as the fastest way around. I'm in a new mood of equality and considerateness and didn't want the drift crowd to feel left out. Besides, I'm still looking for the definition of "grip driving."

 

[NSXLuvr]

This thread is Hilarious. :biggrin:

Fast in/Fast out. :biggrin: :biggrin:

everytime I see drifting. I think of the corner-carvers wiki site comparing drifting to oral sex.

 

[YUMNA2]

wow! i never knew that this would start a zaino/zymol kind of debate. but, does anyone also think that they are both equally fast around the same corner? i still havent seen a video with a grip racer racing a drifter with the same car. anyone have a video?

 

[2slow2speed]

Funny thread, more so because some folks took the replies at face value

Maybe yanking the ebrake rally style next time that I need to rotate the car will make my laptimes lower at the track too, hehe , just like Jimmy Johnson tried at the Race of Champions Event in Paris :tongue:

 

[Andrie Hartanto]

Ok, we have enough fun for today. Just in case some of you didn't notice, I was being sarcastic. As far as voting, I have not even vote yet, as VtecNSX1 put it "how can this be a poll?"

I do need to sharpen my fo' shizzle language, though

 

[kenjiMR]

wow! i never knew that this would start a zaino/zymol kind of debate. but, does anyone also think that they are both equally fast around the same corner? i still havent seen a video with a grip racer racing a drifter with the same car. anyone have a video?

OOOO MAAAAIIII GAAAWD! You rule.

Hey, Andrie, maybe we should make a dorifto vs. grip racing viddie like Best Motoring... hehe. Or maybe it could be just illustrated with a Gran Turismo replay video.

 

[ajnsx]

how can this be a poll?"

As above.

Drifting is a different type of moto-sport. As a few back in my homeland like to say 'driftin' is foolly sic, eh, bro'.

Fun to watch though and the events in Japan are quite ginormous, the drivers are treated like stars. D1 baby...... :smile:

 

[AU_NSX]

As a few back in my homeland like to say 'driftin' is foolly sic, eh, bro'.

You have watched waaay too much "Fat Pizza" :biggrin:

 

[Andrie Hartanto]

To me drifting is like synchronize swimming. It is a beautiful sport, but I fail to see the purpose.

 

[KingsCourt]

Wow, I'm sure you "pro-drifters" were just kidding. I couldn't understand for the life of me how a member like Andrie, who I view as a real racer, could actually believe what he was saying. Andrie actually had Jeff A who obviously knew what the deal was, doubting himself (or so it seemed). My faith has been restored in you guys.

Drifting is a very beautiful and impressive thing to watch. It's car control at its best. I particularly love when they snap from opposite lock in one direction, to opposite lock in the other direction, as they squirm through a series of S's.

I'll tell you who loves drifting the best -- tire companies.