Did Bush Lie About WMDs

Dtrigg said:
I hate to speak for you Steve but I think you're saying that Bush and his inside group thought that it was OK to have a few thousand American troops die in sake of their lie (rational) or geopolitical objective. Correct? Just trying to understand. If this isn't correct, please help me understand and set me straight.

The reason I am asking is that people that say George Bush lied about WMDs should also be able to say not only did he lie, but they should have the coviction to say, "George Bush lied about WMDs and was willing to have thousands of American troops die to propell his lie." I mean ANYONE that is going to plan a lie like this HAS to understand the consequenses.

If he lied like some people suggest, why don't they bring charges to have him and his insiders pay for the lives of the American troops that died? I don't know, because I am only speaking for myself, but if I really thought that he lied and had thousands of troops die, I would be pretty active.

Don't understand why people say he lied and leave it at that.
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OK here's what I believe.

I think he lied about the WMD because he knew the chance of WMD being there was pretty good. So maybe instead of lying I am going with gambling. I think he threw the dice and was willing to risk what ever he had to in order to invade Iraq. He got in a pissing match with Saddam and again gambled Saddam would back down but when he didn't Bush was "I am the POTUS you will respect my a-thor-i-tie." so then bush did his thing, crossed his fingers and hoped he was right. He was wrong. Wish I could have been a fly in his brain when he got the news that there were no WMD.

I see this situation like the same way I see a rouge police officer who does what ever the f--k he wants because he's a police officer. Bush is the same way IMO.

With all that said I think a war in the middle east was necessary to keep everyone separated over there. I just feel it was done in a underhanded way.

It would be nice to blow the whole damn place up but instead we need to go in there every 10 years or so and create chaos so the middle east doesn't unite and wipe out the rest of the world. If we just dropped one big bomb the survivors would defiantly unite. So maybe a big bomb then some radiation suit to go in and clean up the rest of who's left. Hey with that plan no Americans would die.
 
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Osiris_x11 said:
- Saddam repeatedly tried to have Bush sr' assassinated.
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Yeah I was going to mention that. Just reverse it. bush tried to have saddam assassinated. SO who's right?

Everyone always thinks there position is right. It's all about perspective.

Who's right who's wrong usually it just ends up with who survives and who dies.
 
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I have lot of "theories" on why Bush attacked Iraq.
Has anyone questioned the possibility it was done for religious reasons?
Bush thinks God talks to him from what I've heard. And

Iraq is 97% Muslim.
Iran is 90% Muslim.
Afghanistan is 99% Muslim.
North Korea suppresses Christianity.


Just a thought. Who knows....



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jond,

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that a lot of radical islamic terrorists tend to hang out in Muslim countries.

Your logic and premise are pretty idiotic.
 
Jimbo said:
So, Steve...

Why did all those Dems believe (or lie) about the WMDs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVZlLBchVE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH93UlGHBfk&feature=related

What was their rationale?
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It's not a Democrat or Republican issue. It's an issue of keeping the middle east in turmoil because the people who live there are radical extremists who can not be allowed to ban together at all costs.

Now if the president came out and said that there would have been no invasion. However if there were a way to read his mind I am willing to bet that is what you would find not just in bushes mind but in most politicians minds at high levels.

I think covert ops could be used as a much better tool to create the chaos needed to keep the middle east fighting with themselves instead of banning together and wiping us out.
 
steveny said:
It's not a Democrat or Republican issue. It's an issue of keeping the middle east in turmoil because the people who live there are radical extremists who can not be allowed to ban together at all costs.

Now if the president came out and said that there would have been no invasion. However if there were a way to read his mind I am willing to bet that is what you would find not just in bushes mind but in most politicians minds at high levels.

I think covert ops could be used as a much better tool to create the chaos needed to keep the middle east fighting with themselves instead of banning together and wiping us out.
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Steve, I am really confussed. The people that live in the Middle East are radical extremists and can't be allowed to ban together? Does that include the guys on this site that post the photos of their cars from Abu Dhabi? What about our largest Navy base outside the United States? It's in Abu Dhabi. I worked for the government of Abu Dhabi, actually ADIC, the Arab Development Investment Corporation, the largest private investment group in the world. They were EXTREMELY pro United States.

I also did covert ops in Vietnam. I would go in and do B-52 assessments for example. Why do that type of stuff now when you can read a license plate number from 40,000 feet?

I just go back to my origional question. If you folks think George Bush, and his group of thugs, agreed that there was a massive lie regarding WMDs and a reason to go to war, than you must also agree that they calculated it was appropriate to sacrifice the lives of thousands of American military. I just don't understand why people don't do that extension.

OK, I am going to lie about WMDs. That way I can go to war.... Well if I go to war, thousands of American troops will die. I am willing to have those troops die and also have thousands of other troops be wounded. Is that what you believe? Now that is really an evil person that would do that. If so, it wasn't just George Bush but also his advisors, the CIA, Colin Powell, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, etc. that also agreed to blow off our troops. That is an extremely calculated lie, and if that's what you believe that's fine. I am just trying to understand how evil people feel George Bush and those that surround him are. It wasn't just a lie. It was MUCH more than that in terms of loss of life and economic consequenses.

Not to say you are right or wrong, just attempting to understand how you folks feel about his decision to lie and the consequences.

Doug
 
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This simplistic story how Bush lied yadda yadda yadda is just too conspiratorial to believe. It's right up there with Bush blew up the World Trade Center with explosives at the exact time those airliners hit the buildings - but the airliners didn't really cause the collapse.

I guess it's just not exciting enough to believe that we (along with other countries) AND both leading Republicans AND Democrats thought that Saddam had WMDs, had used them before, and was not complying with a decade of UN mandates, and were not willing to take the risk of WMDs being used or finding a home with other terrorists.

Nah, that explanation is just not plausible - and it doesn't put Pres Bush into a bad light.

And after 9-11 when our patience ended we finally had enough of Saddam's shell games and in a bi-partisan decision we went into Iraq. And, this was still after continued diplomacy, deadline extensions and talks.

Look, for whatever reason a lot of people despise Bush. And if you keep chanting Bush lied, maybe enough people will forget recorded history.
 
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Jimbo said:
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that a lot of radical islamic terrorists tend to hang out in Muslim countries.
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Yeah, it could be. But then again, none of said countries were attacked, or threatened due to terrorism.
 
I just go back to my origional question. If you folks think George Bush, and his group of thugs, agreed that there was a massive lie regarding WMDs and a reason to go to war, than you must also agree that they calculated it was appropriate to sacrifice the lives of thousands of American military. I just don't understand why people don't do that extension.

OK, I am going to lie about WMDs. That way I can go to war....



Doug,

The whole premise is even stupider than that.

So, there's all this intelligence that points to Saddam having WMDs. The Republicans and Democrats believe it, certainly enough to go on TV and stake their reputations on it. Furthermore, other countries have similar intelligence. AND we have the proof that Saddam used poison gas on the Kurds.

So, in order for this Bush-conspiracy to work, he would have had to get special-secret-intelligence just for him and Cheney that said, "You know all the WMDs we thought Saddam had? Well, he doesn't have them." Well, in this case, how would anyone know what to believe?

And it's very understandable why the administration would, considering 9-11, want to act on the side of being extra careful.

Occam's Razor - More often than not the simple explanation is correct.
 
jond said:
Yeah, it could be. But then again, none of said countries were attacked, or threatened due to terrorism.
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Uh...OK...

So Bush, heard God tell him to attack Muslim countries and so being pretty smart guys, God and Bush proceed with attacking Muslim countries in descending order order of Muslim population.

Uhh....you're an idiot.
 
1) Downing Street Memo:

(Wiki): The head of MI6 as expressing the view following his recent visit to Washington that "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." It also quoted Foreign Secretary Jack Straw as saying that it was clear that Bush had "made up his mind" to take military action but that "the case was thin", and the Attorney-General Lord Goldsmith as warning that justifying the invasion on legal grounds would be difficult

Actual memo:http://downingstreetmemo.com/docs/memotext.pdf

2) Valerie Plame (outed CIA operative and wife to) Joe Wilson who debunked a pre-war administration claim that Saddam was attempting to buy uranium yellowcake from Niger "to support the administration's arguments that Iraq was proliferating weapons of mass destruction so as to justify its preemptive war in Iraq." The trail lead to Scooter Libby, Cheney's chief of staff, who was indicted on federal obstruction and perjury charges resulting from the grand jury investigation into the CIA identity leak. Libby was pardoned by Bush.

3) Playing Chess with yourself or in this case, Bush playing chess with himself. If I am to agree with jond, it is not the part of a religious Christian vs. Muslim motive, it is the Infallibility of one's though process. Can't ever lose, can't make a "mistake":

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/bush-biggest-mistake-p1.php

In conclusion did Bush lie? Hard to prove, but he sure didn't want to hear the thruth.

Regards,

Danny
 
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jond said:
I have lot of "theories" on why Bush attacked Iraq.
Has anyone questioned the possibility it was done for religious reasons?
Bush thinks God talks to him from what I've heard. And

Iraq is 97% Muslim.
Iran is 90% Muslim.
Afghanistan is 99% Muslim.
North Korea suppresses Christianity.

Just a thought. Who knows....
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That doesn't make much sense considering the U.S. has made no effort to change their religion. They're still Muslims and we've got no problem with that.
 
NSX-Files said:
That doesn't make much sense considering the U.S. has made no effort to change their religion. They're still Muslims and we've got no problem with that.
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Depends some political theorist would argue that NGO's stand for christian values and Democracy has been viewed by some as westerinzation so it depends according to whom.
 
jond said:
I have lot of "theories" on why Bush attacked Iraq.
Has anyone questioned the possibility it was done for religious reasons?
Bush thinks God talks to him from what I've heard. And

Iraq is 97% Muslim.
Iran is 90% Muslim.
Afghanistan is 99% Muslim.
North Korea suppresses Christianity.


Just a thought. Who knows....



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Dude, that is why stupid 911 Conspiracy theory exists, from people like you, with your theories.

So according to you, we also need to attack Saudi, Iran, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Kuwait, Dubai, Bahrain, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia?
 
Bushed lied, no doubt. Iraq was the easiest route to a "friendly" supply of oil. Let me remind you that with out oil we would not have any military at all. With the Russians coming up and feeling feisty, we will need our military and how.
 
NorCalwhite said:
Bushed lied, no doubt. Iraq was the easiest route to a "friendly" supply of oil. Let me remind you that with out oil we would not have any military at all. With the Russians coming up and feeling feisty, we will need our military and how.
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Cool, mystery solved. Please close the thread:biggrin:
 
Jimbo said:
jond,
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that a lot of radical islamic terrorists tend to hang out in Muslim countries.

Your logic and premise are pretty idiotic.
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Vancehu said:
So according to you, we also need to attack Saudi, Iran, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Kuwait, Dubai, Bahrain, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia?
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Hey, first off guys, please cut out the disrespect.
Second, youguys DO realize the radical religious nut jobs in America LOVE Bush and desperately want a religious war. You DO realize this don't you?

I agree, the theory is probably wrong. But then again, I said that when I brought it up....


"Christian Zionists are dancing the hora in San Antonio. Armageddon appears to be at hand.

As George W. Bush sets his sights on Iran, even Republicans are wondering how to constitutionally contain the trigger-happy king. But for an influential group of Christian fundamentalists -- White House allies that garner not only feel-good meetings with the President's liaisons to the "faith-based" community but also serious discussions with Bush's national security staff -- an attack on Iran is just what God ordered.

Biblical literalists, convened together through San Antonio megapastor John Hagee's Christians United for Israel (CUFI), are now seeing the fruits of their yearlong campaign to convince the Bush administration to attack Iran."

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/46753/

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jond said:
Hey, first off guys, please cut out the disrespect.
Second, youguys DO realize the radical religious nut jobs in America LOVE Bush and desperately want a religious war. You DO realize this don't you?

I agree, the theory is probably wrong. But then again, I said that when I brought it up....


"Christian Zionists are dancing the hora in San Antonio. Armageddon appears to be at hand.

As George W. Bush sets his sights on Iran, even Republicans are wondering how to constitutionally contain the trigger-happy king. But for an influential group of Christian fundamentalists -- White House allies that garner not only feel-good meetings with the President's liaisons to the "faith-based" community but also serious discussions with Bush's national security staff -- an attack on Iran is just what God ordered.

Biblical literalists, convened together through San Antonio megapastor John Hagee's Christians United for Israel (CUFI), are now seeing the fruits of their yearlong campaign to convince the Bush administration to attack Iran."

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/46753/

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Cool, you got it. Christians are working on their third crusade. Freemasons, bring back your ancestor, the knights Templar.
 
lowellhigh79 said:
1) Downing Street Memo:

(Wiki): The head of MI6 as expressing the view following his recent visit to Washington that "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." It also quoted Foreign Secretary Jack Straw as saying that it was clear that Bush had "made up his mind" to take military action but that "the case was thin", and the Attorney-General Lord Goldsmith as warning that justifying the invasion on legal grounds would be difficult

Actual memo:http://downingstreetmemo.com/docs/memotext.pdf

2) Valerie Plame (outed CIA operative and wife to) Joe Wilson who debunked a pre-war administration claim that Saddam was attempting to buy uranium yellowcake from Niger "to support the administration's arguments that Iraq was proliferating weapons of mass destruction so as to justify its preemptive war in Iraq." The trail lead to Scooter Libby, Cheney's chief of staff, who was indicted on federal obstruction and perjury charges resulting from the grand jury investigation into the CIA identity leak. Libby was pardoned by Bush.

3) Playing Chess with yourself or in this case, Bush playing chess with himself. If I am to agree with jond, it is not the part of a religious Christian vs. Muslim motive, it is the Infallibility of one's though process. Can't ever lose, can't make a "mistake":

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/bush-biggest-mistake-p1.php

In conclusion did Bush lie? Hard to prove, but he sure didn't want to hear the thruth.

Regards,

Danny
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What he said. Bush became the US version of Saddam. He did whatever the f he wanted to b/c he was a Dictator... I mean the Prezident.
 
slownsxt said:
What he said. Bush became the US version of Saddam. He did whatever the f he wanted to b/c he was a Dictator... I mean the Prezident.
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I wonder what Tony Blair is thinking about this article.
 

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