Dealer's having problems getting GTR's

[White92]

I've heard more than a few times that some Nissan dealers are backing out of the deal with Nissan also. For the handful of GTR's that they will sell, it's not worth the money they have to invest to buy new tools, training, etc... for their dealerships. Maybe that is slowing things down some too?

 

[synth19]

Because there is NOT a single complaining party indicate a valid purchase contract was signed by both side. If there is a such contract, the price of the vehicle is sealed. The dealership will have no choice but to release the car to the buyer. If the dealership skip the original contractee, they are liable for any legal matter related to the purchase.

My point was NSXrebel did not say or not say a contract wasn't signed, hence my question, why do you assume no contract was signed since the OP was vague in his post.

As for the initial allocation, there are just as many Nissan dealer as Honda/Acura dealership; therefore, the initial 1500 units for the year is basically one car per dealership. The top selling dealership may get two units as a bonus.

Not every dealership was made eligible to recieve a GTR. The dealership had to APPLY to be GTR certified. Once application was accepted, allotment was based on their sales. I think the two dealerships I have worked with applied in November of 2007, and they found out their allotment around January. The eligible dealerships in IL have different allotments, ranging from one GTR, and as high as 9. In California, one particular dealership is recieving about 20 from what I heard, the highest in the country. Many other dealerships opted not to train their techs, invest in the equipment, etc. to be a GTR eligible dealership. Full listing of GTR eligible dealerships is listed here:

http://www.gtrnissan.com/findadealer.en.us.html

The initial allocation of 1500 to the US market is conservative and may NOT be accurate. Nissan will built more if the factory can perform. The reason why we get the conservative 1500 number is because this is now global car and Nissan will be able to sell $..T loads. Two/Three years from now, you will be able to buy this car for $500 over dealership invoice and 0.9% financing. Nissan will be pumping out so many of them it will be just like the EVO/STI.

I'm not sure if production will significantly increase, simply based on man power. We will see... It would be nice to see though.

 

[synth19]

I've heard more than a few times that some Nissan dealers are backing out of the deal with Nissan also. For the handful of GTR's that they will sell, it's not worth the money they have to invest to buy new tools, training, etc... for their dealerships. Maybe that is slowing things down some too?

Legally speaking, I'm not sure what the significance in backing out is. I know agreements had to be signed with Nissan beforehand.

 

[BD]

But not every dealer is getting the GTR. Only those dealers certified and trained to service the GTR will sell it. My local Nissan is getting 6 GTR's. And this car will not be abundant like sti and evo's

If they are getting 6 GTR, that means 5 other dealership will not get them. I'll ask my Nissan friend tomorrow (He is traveling to NJ as we speak). If they are actually getting 6 GTRs, that means Nissan is making more than 1500 cars for the US.

EVERY dealership will get them. There is no way Nissan will skip dealerships for a car that can actually attract crowds through the doors. The dealership can actually sue Nissan for not allocating them the car. One thing I will tell you is, this so called "certified tech" program is Nissan's way for trying to control the allocation. One the sales number drops, those "none" certified dealership will get them, just a matter of time.

This is not NSX in 2005 where Honda only allocate the car to the dealership with record of selling the NSX. There is a waiting list EVERY WHERE.

The key question is, why would Nissan require each dealership to have a "certified" GTR tech if they're not going to make enough to make it worth while? The key is this, if a dealer refuse to send a tech to be trained, eventually the dealership will be allow to carry the GTR regardless. Remember EVERY Acura dealership required a NSX certified tech? The mandatory program was dropped shortly after the car came out.

My point was NSXrebel did not say or not say a contract wasn't signed, hence my question, why do you assume no contract was signed since the OP was vague in his post.

Because NSXrebel is not stupid, if a contract was signed, he will be talking about it.

I'm not sure if production will significantly increase, simply based on man power. We will see... It would be nice to see though.

I bet you Nissan is already prepping for additional production. If not, already happened.

 

[synth19]

If they are getting 6 GTR, that means 5 other dealership will not get them. I'm sure if this correct. I'll ask my Nissan friend tomorrow (He is traveling to NJ as we speak). If they are actually getting 6 GTRs, that means Nissan is making more than 1500 cars for the US.

EVERY dealership will get them. There is no way Nissan will skip dealerships for a car that can actually attract crowds through the doors. The dealership can actually sue Nissan for not allocating them the car.

This is not NSX in 2005 where Honda only allocate the car to the dealership with record of selling the NSX. There is a waiting list EVERY WHERE.

The key question is, why would Nissan require each dealership to have a "certified" GTR tech if they're not going to make enough to make it worth while? I'm sure there some kind of training.

I know logic is driving your responses, but unfortunately not every dealership is getting a GTR. Please speak to your Nissan buddy to validate if you don't believe me.

Dealership Requirements of the R35 GT-R

In order for a dealership to carry a GT-R they must meet the following requirements:

New Tools
Several new diagnostic and service tools will be necessary to support GT-R. These include:
• Consult 3 software & attachments
• Brake Caliper Wrench
• Gouge-resistant gasket scraper.

The cost of these tools was included in the estimated amounts described in last week’s letter, and will be incorporated into the Initial certification cost listed on each participant dealer’s agreement. In addition, as with other vehicles, it may become necessary to procure additional required tools which may be developed during the product life cycle. These tools will be released, if necessary, through the Nissan essential tool program.Existing/Available Tools
In addition to upcoming essential tools, certified GT-R dealerships must be equipped with readily available equipment that has not traditionally fallen under the scope of the essential tool program.

Alignment Equipment – A certified GT-R dealership must maintain an alignment rack that meets the required tolerances of being capable of consistent alignment settings to within:
• +/- 1 mm front toe,
• +/- 10’ (minutes) in Front Camber
• +/- 20’ (minutes) in Front Caster

A wide array of alignment equipment can meet these specifications. However, it will be necessary to verify that a certified GT-R dealer’s equipment is capable and calibrated accordingly. Examples of equipment that will meet these requirements include:

•Hunter R811 series console with DSP600 series sensors or any current Hunter Winaligner with HS401 sensors. (Both are recommended and validated by Nissan’s Techmate program)
•Others: John Bean V3D1 Ultra or V3D3 Arago, Hofmann Geoliner GL-680

In addition, the alignment lift must be capable of accommodating a low clearance vehicle. GTR’s clearance will be 5” at the front spoiler with an 11 degree maximum approach angle. Consequently an in-floor alignment lift is best. If an above ground lift is used, ramps must be long enough to accommodate. All Hunter RX and 4 post models can be made to meet this specification using auxiliary stage 2 approach ramp extensions as detailed in the Hunter rack accessory brochure.

If your dealership has alignment equipment other than what is listed here, please confirm the tolerance capabilities meet or exceed the minimum requirements to support GT-R. Brand equipment is secondary to ensuring the equipment is capable of measuring to these tight tolerances and calibrated correctly. Verification of equipment performance and calibration will be required for certification.

Access to Nitrogen – This vehicle will be shipped from the factory with nitrogen filled tires. Nissan does not specify an essential tool for this purpose. However, each certified dealer must
have access to nitrogen to ensure vehicles in inventory can be maintained in factory condition for delivery to the customer. This could include a nitrogen generator system, bottled nitrogen gas or access to a reliable sublet source for the purpose of maintaining tire inflation pressure.

Special Supplies
GT-R is engineered with many new and unique Powertrain design features.
As a result, only certain chemicals are authorized for use in GT-R. They are as follows:

• Engine Oil – Mobil 1 only 0w-40 or 5w-40 (this requirement is key to protect the plasma coating on cylinder walls)
• A/T Oil – Proprietary Blend developed specifically for GT-R, to be ordered thru NNA PDC only
• Final Drive Oil – Castrol 75w140 only
• Brake Fluid – Proprietary DOT-4 Blend developed specifically for GT-R, to be ordered thru NNA PDC only

Optional Process - Tires
GT-R will be equipped with unique run-flat tires manufactured by Bridgestone (summer tire) and Dunlop (all-weather tire) mounted on specially designed 20-inch alloy wheels. These tire/wheel combinations will require the most modern equipment and techniques to remove/install tires from/on the wheels. Dealers who participate in the Dealer Tire program and have the proper equipment and training to service these wheel/tire combinations, may choose to keep this business in-house. However, a dealer can still become a certified GT-R dealership without tire service capabilities. In these cases, a factory Bridgestone and Dunlop distributor must be utilized for service of GT-R wheels/tires.

Specifications for dealers to perform tire service:
• Tire Machine - Hunter TC3500, TCX550 or TCX500 series Tire Changer or equivalent
• Wheel Balancer - Hunter GSP9700 series Balancer or equivalent
• Technician Certification - Dealers must have at least one technician successfully complete a training course in the proper use of equipment to service run flat tires.
Acceptable sources of training include Hunter, Bridgestone, Dunlop, Tire Industry Association (TIA) providers or other manufacturers of compliant tire changing/balancing equipment. A certificate of completion will be required as part of the Sign-off Process.

Body Shop
Because GT-R will incorporate a variety of innovative materials and leading-edge body construction techniques, only one type of collision repair equipment has been authorized foruse in body shop repairs. The vehicle is designed with the cooperation and participation of Celette. The Celette MZ+ system utilizes upper body and under body jigs designed specifically for GT-R. No adjustable collision bench/jig system is approved for use on the GT-R. Only body shops with the Celette system will be authorized to perform collision repairs. NNA is working with Celette to identify body shops in the US and Canada that are properly equipped and trained. If your dealership already has a relationship with a body shop that is equipped with the Celette MZ system, please advise your DPSM so they can forward this information back to Parts and Service Operations, Tool & Equipment group.

Sign-off Process
Once the participating dealers are identified and have returned their certification agreements, the process of verifying dealership attainment of the requirements will begin. Lists of facing Bridgestone, Dunlop and Celette certified bodyshops will be provided so GT-R dealers can establish relationships with sublet providers in locations best suited to their needs. A Parts & Service checklist is under development which will be utilized by the District Parts & Service Managers (DPSM/DPSSs) to verify that every GT-R dealership candidate meets the minimum requirements. It is important for potential GT-R dealer candidates to consider the costs associated with any required upgrades to shop equipment and tool inventories. The information contained in this bulletin outlines the major Parts and Service requirements to become a GT-R dealership and is intended to assist each dealer in making an informed decision regarding becoming certified. We believe the information provided to date to be reasonably complete. However, if additional necessary information or requirements are identified as the pre-launch process progresses we will promptly advise as that additional information becomes available.

 

[BD]

By the way, a quick look on the link. Within 400 miles of my zip code (Huntington Beach, CA), I got 64 dealership authorize to sell the GTR. Therefore, I assume every one of them received an allocation. That's 6.25 square mile per GTR.

A quick search from NY. 110 GTR dealers are found.

From Seattle, 18 dealerships are found. (that's about all the Nissan Dealership in the NW area).

51 Dealership found from Georgia.

Can you see the trend? Pertty much every Nissan dealership has a certifed tech.

 

[BD]

I know logic is driving your responses, but unfortunately not every dealership is getting a GTR. Please speak to your Nissan buddy to validate if you don't believe me.

Synth, those check up are pertty much same as a Honda Accord with Navi. With some additional stuff for GTR only features.

Have you ever heard of "Honda Certified" used car with 185 check points? Most of them are visual. That's why Every car gets 1 to 1/2 hour of dealership labor for PDI.

 

[synth19]

"Pretty much every Nissan" does not mean everyone. In my area for example, there are 30 Nissan dealerships within 30 miles, 18 are eligible, 12 are not. Just posting the facts.

By the way, a quick look on the link. Within 400 miles of my zip code (Huntington Beach, CA), I got 64 dealership authorize to sell the GTR. Therefore, I assume every one of them received an allocation. That's 6.25 square mile per GTR.

A quick search from NY. 110 GTR dealers are found.

From Seattle, 18 dealerships are found. (that's about all the Nissan Dealership in the NW area).

51 Dealership found from Georgia.

Can you see the trend? Pertty much every Nissan dealership has a certifed tech.

 

[synth19]

Not sure what this has to do with the post you quoted....

Synth, those check up are pertty much same as a Honda Accord with Navi. With some additional stuff for GTR only features.

Have you ever heard of "Honda Certified" used car with 185 check points? Most of them are visual. That's why Every car gets 1 to 1/2 hour of dealership labor for PDI.

 

[synth19]

Because NSXrebel is not stupid, if a contract was signed, he will be talking about it.

I agree, he's not stupid! (I'm sure he'll be happy to hear that). However, we're not talking about NSXrebel, we're talking about his friend.. hence I questioned the comment due to the lack of facts and info he provided. I'm looking forward to hearing more info after he talks to him again. This is what he said:

My friend was supposed to receive his GTR last week I think. He also got the story that his dealer was still pending the dealer inspection/certification. He did get word that his car was at the Port and received a VIN #. I'll ask him tomorrow if he has any new word on his car.

Based on his statement, it's safe to assume that NSXrebel does not know all the facts.. yet. :wink:

 

[BD]

Regardless, the bottom line is, the dealership is playing the game. Just like the NSX back in 1990, S2000 in 1999 with a giant waiting list; two three years from now, Nissan will be begging people to buy that car.

Contrary to what people are telling, if you don't pay, you don't get. It's hot now and if you must have it, you gotta pay to play.

 

[AndyH]

By the way, a quick look on the link. Within 400 miles of my zip code (Huntington Beach, CA), I got 64 dealership authorize to sell the GTR. Therefore, I assume every one of them received an allocation. That's 6.25 square mile per GTR.

How did you come up with 6.25 Sqrt mile per GTR? According to you within 400 miles from your zip code, I got A = pi (3.14) * 400 * 400 = 502400 sqrt mile. then divide by 64=7850 sqrt mile / car if 1 dealer only get 1 car.

 

[synth19]

two three years from now, Nissan will be begging people to buy that car.

Crossing fingers.... would be a great DD for the midwest. :smile:

 

[KSXNSX]

I would buy the GT-R today if I knew I could track it and not have to pay $1,000 after track inspection or my warr get's voided. How do they know? The look at the computer and can tell it's been tracks by the speeds and such. Once they get all that bs worked out and I find a good deal on pads and rotors I will get a GT-R.

I believe that is only in Japan. They disable that function in the US.

 

[KSXNSX]

Correct. I just re-read this thread and realized I may have confused the pre-port inspection vs. the port inspection...we are all talking about two different things. :redface: Yes, this inspection is very involved, much more then any of the other nissans that are shipped (9 laps at test track 10 minutes at redline etc).

Yep. To your credit though, I did read about delays with the GTR on NAGTROC.

I don't know if it has to do with inspections though.

However, it seems like the delays are over and people are receiving their cars now.

 

[yojack1]

The owner of the Nissan dealer where my friend is getting his insists
and states that only 1 GTR per transport because of possible damage loading and unloading because it doesn't seem to fit (plus other models to fill up the trailer) will reach his facility. It sounds like 1500 separate deliveries nationwide. Real efficient if that's the case.

He has only two cars coming. A black one and my friends gun metallic. There is no way they can sell out from the two people who have deposits on them. They each paid $10,000 over MSRP. Wouldn't they get sued?

The bottom line is, Nissan seems to have really blown it with all the secrecy and transporting issues.

Even the dealership owners are scratching their heads. They keep saying any day now!!

 

[KSXNSX]

The owner of the Nissan dealer where my friend is getting his insists
and states that only 1 GTR per transport because of possible damage loading and unloading because it doesn't seem to fit (plus other models to fill up the trailer) will reach his facility. It sounds like 1500 separate deliveries nationwide. Real efficient if that's the case.

He has only two cars coming. A black one and my friends gun metallic. There is no way they can sell out from the two people who have deposits on them. They each paid $10,000 over MSRP. Wouldn't they get sued?

The bottom line is, Nissan seems to have really blown it with all the secrecy and transporting issues.

Even the dealership owners are scratching their heads. They keep saying any day now!!

They are not delivering one GTR at a time. That is absolute BS from the dealer.

 

[yojack1]

Hey Roy, I think I found your car! Great pics.

Unfortunately unless Nissan can ship over the transports like in the pics (Japanese Car Carrier) it won't do him any good. Home market seems to have silver wheels versus the gun metallic we're getting plus the clear side marker lights are amber for our market.

 

[NSXrebel]

Correct. I just re-read this thread and realized I may have confused the pre-port inspection vs. the port inspection...we are all talking about two different things. :redface: Yes, this inspection is very involved, much more then any of the other nissans that are shipped (9 laps at test track 10 minutes at redline etc).

We're also talking about inspection for the dealerships themselves.


I'd like to think I'm not stupid.

Well it looks like my friend is picking up his car today. I didn't talk to him, but his gf just told me this.

 

[synth19]

Here in the US if you order your GTR with the "cold weather package," you get the silver wheels. The standard "high performance wheels" are the darker ones.

Hey Roy, I think I found your car! Great pics.

Unfortunately unless Nissan can ship over the transports like in the pics (Japanese Car Carrier) it won't do him any good. Home market seems to have silver wheels versus the gun metallic we're getting.

 

[NSXrebel]

Ok, I just talked to my friend. He's picking up his car today around 7pm after he gets off work. I did forget to mention that he is friends with the dealership owner. I think he's getting a silver/charcoal color. I'll try to take pics.

 

[yojack1]

Here in the US if you order your GTR with the "cold weather package," you get the silver wheels. The standard "high performance wheels" are the darker ones.

Roy told me that all the dust covers on the wheels say Nissan straight across the middle. I don't see that on these. Looks like some kind of logo. Does anyone know what that might be?

 

[BD]

How did you come up with 6.25 Sqrt mile per GTR? According to you within 400 miles from your zip code, I got A = pi (3.14) * 400 * 400 = 502400 sqrt mile. then divide by 64=7850 sqrt mile / car if 1 dealer only get 1 car.

lol, just tossing it out there to see if any one actually is paying attention. The point I was making is simple, out of that 400 square mile, there are plenty of dealers in california that will get the car. If some dealers are actually getting up to six cars, the supply demand issue will desolve very soon. The emotional hype is the reason behind people forking out huge dollars. Nissan in Huntington Beach has one on the show room floor and they want 40k over, needless to say, the car is still there.

 

[NSXrebel]

lol, just tossing it out there to see if any one actually is paying attention. The point I was making is simple, out of that 400 square mile, there are plenty of dealers in california that will get the car. If some dealers are actually getting up to six cars, the supply demand issue will desolve very soon. The emotional hype is the reason behind people forking out huge dollars. Nissan in Huntington Beach has one on the show room floor and they want 40k over, needless to say, the car is still there.

So you're just pulling numbers out of your ass? I still don't see where you get the idea that every Nissan dealer is gonna get a GTR and that they're gonna be widespread like your everyday Sti and Evo.

 

[Meeyatch1]

I called my local dealer to see if they could get me one. They said they have 3 coming in that are pre-sold, but he can get me the 1 they have left after that. He said it would be $110,000. I asked if that was across the board for every model, and he was not sure, and said that options may drive the price up from there. I told him, 'No offense, but you are charging about $35,000 over sticker, I should be able to get whatever options I want, don't you think,' and he was silent. A few seconds passed and he said, 'Yeah...I see what you mean, but I will have to ask my manager'. These cars really are making Nissan dealers retarded.