Coming to terms with your own moratality

I'd been thinking about it a lot over the past 2-3 years.. and now I think about it almost on a daily basis. My best friend got diagnosed a few months ago with ALS. It's a degenerative disease that slowly paralyzes you (the body itself attacks the motor neurons in your central nervous system), and eventually you lose all muscle control and die from respiratory failure. He's been given about 18-24 months. It's probably one of the cruelest ways to die because you slowly lose all ability to communicate, yet your senses and cognitive ability remain fully functional. He's only 39 with 2 young kids and a wife. It really puts life into perspective. You realize that there are so many things that we tend to complain and make a big deal about... but in the big picture they are insignificant and not worth worrying over. If you have your health and your life, you have everything.
 
I'd been thinking about it a lot over the past 2-3 years.. and now I think about it almost on a daily basis. My best friend got diagnosed a few months ago with ALS. It's a degenerative disease that slowly paralyzes you (the body itself attacks the motor neurons in your central nervous system), and eventually you lose all muscle control and die from respiratory failure. He's been given about 18-24 months. It's probably one of the cruelest ways to die because you slowly lose all ability to communicate, yet your senses and cognitive ability remain fully functional. He's only 39 with 2 young kids and a wife. It really puts life into perspective. You realize that there are so many things that we tend to complain and make a big deal about... but in the big picture they are insignificant and not worth worrying over. If you have your health and your life, you have everything.
This is awful. I feel terrible making my little waste of a post after reading this. Makes my issue seem like small potato's. I am truely sorry for your friend.:frown:
 
This is awful. I feel terrible making my little waste of a post after reading this. Makes my issue seem like small potato's. I am truely sorry for your friend.:frown:

It's truly a terrible disease, but what you went through was an eye opening experience for you as well. Too many of us (myself included) take things for granted, and then BAM, one day everything is turned upside down. We all need an eye opening experience to appreciate the frailty of our existence, and make good use of every single day that we're blessed with. I've certainly come to realize that after spending a lot of time with my friend trying to help him cope with his new reality.

There's a lot of sad and tragic stories in this thread. Thanks to everybody who's posted and shared their deeply personal experiences...
 
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I find the ability to maintain equanimity, which can be developed by practice,
to be key in dealing with mortality. If you can get fear in general under control,
you can get fear of mortality under control. And managing fear is not just for
dealing with mortality, but rather for anything that requires a cool head.

How to practice maintaining equanimity? That is personal, and although I
can describe my practices of choice I wouldn't presume to say that they
would be the best practices for someone else. Some people meditate as
practice in staying centered, but for me no practice has been more effective
than rock climbing.

"Fear is the main source of superstition, and one of the main sources
of cruelty. To conquer fear is the beginning of wisdom, in the pursuit of
truth as in the endeavor after a worthy manner of life." - Bertrand Russell

And about mortality in particular: my experience is that appreciating
mortality is an ongoing process. I got my real introduction to mortality
by testing HIV positive in 1987. I didn't know how well I'd be doing in
1990, let alone 2012. I saw right away that I had never seriously
contemplated mortality before (normal for a young person). But even
after an experience of taking mortality seriously, there remains an
ongoing process of understanding it more deeply. I am not painting
a picture of grimness; on the contrary--mortality is very much a part
of life, and appreciating mortality is part of a well-rounded appreciation
of life as a whole.

25 years with that on the mind is a long, long time. The seriousness of HIV needs no introduction, but HIV positive in 1987 was a near death sentence. Very glad you are still with us and wish you the best of luck going forward.
 
Just before I turned 50, I was fortunate enough to be thinking about my next car and I had found Prime and had been looking at some NSX ads. Then on my 50th birthday (9/11), I got up, flipped on the TV, and watched replays of the first tower being hit. That's when I realized that life's too short not to actively pursue your dreams... and within weeks I purchased my NSX.

So, in my case, coming to terms with my own mortality, hastened my membership in the NSX club and has been putting a smile on my face almost daily for a little over 10 years and 90k miles.

Two years ago, a driver going about 50 mph ran a red light and we hit her broadside but I was just entering the intersection and not going very fast. But had I been about another second and a half further into the intersection, I would have been hit broadside and likely not survived. It was sobering when I realized that.

I remember being in a motivational session years ago and the person asked "would you put your life in the hands of a complete stranger?" and, of course, every one said "no, are you crazy?". But then they pointed out that everytime you fly .. or step off a curb into a crosswalk, you're doing just that. Or in my case, another driver. Just another example of not being in control of your own mortality. So, enjoy every day.
 
I had a near hit accident last week. I was turning left, and the light had been green for a few seconds. Out of the left of my eyes I see a lady driving a large SUV running her red light. I was already in the intersection so nothing I could do, but luckily the lady slammed on her brakes, and the SUV stopped 1 feet short of the driver side of the car, where I was seated. Had she stopped later I would be seriously injured or dead.

The experience left me shaken that afternoon. Stupid lady, bad luck, and my life could have been changed forever.

This is why I believe life should be lived in reverse. Young people think they will live forever, and always take things for granted. If you live like an old person or in poor health, and slowly gain health and youth, you would appreciate it so much more than young people who have no appreciation / context for how lucky they are.

Some really insightful / deep posts here, and I learned so much from this thread. Thank you.
 
This is why I believe life should be lived in reverse. Young people think they will live forever, and always take things for granted. If you live like an old person or in poor health, and slowly gain health and youth, you would appreciate it so much more than young people who have no appreciation / context for how lucky they are.

You're absolutely right...
 
Another thought on the subject is looking at the 'area under the curve' instead of just years left. Just like with horse power, the simple measure is the peak hp number. But it's often irrelevant. It's the area under the curve relative to the rpm range of the gear that's relevant.
AKA, I think if you plan your life and make it a focus, you can live more in 1 year than most people live in 5 years. IMO, it's about not sitting on the sofa watching TV. It's about not sacrificing 100% of your life to making some rich owner at work richer. If you plan our your life, maybe you have more left than you think.
 
while i do agree, one of the beauties of youth is being/feeling young, beautiful, invincible and stupid.

imagine being young yet not will to take risks of any sort due to the wisdom of age.

i think its just the normal process of growing up.

This is why I believe life should be lived in reverse. Young people think they will live forever, and always take things for granted. If you live like an old person or in poor health, and slowly gain health and youth, you would appreciate it so much more than young people who have no appreciation / context for how lucky they are.
 
my heart aches for your friend and his family as well as those who have to travel along this painful journey of his.

that is a terrible terrible disease and it is tragic that your friend is so only 39. that is far too young!

I'd been thinking about it a lot over the past 2-3 years.. and now I think about it almost on a daily basis. My best friend got diagnosed a few months ago with ALS. It's a degenerative disease that slowly paralyzes you (the body itself attacks the motor neurons in your central nervous system), and eventually you lose all muscle control and die from respiratory failure. He's been given about 18-24 months. It's probably one of the cruelest ways to die because you slowly lose all ability to communicate, yet your senses and cognitive ability remain fully functional. He's only 39 with 2 young kids and a wife. It really puts life into perspective. You realize that there are so many things that we tend to complain and make a big deal about... but in the big picture they are insignificant and not worth worrying over. If you have your health and your life, you have everything.
 
Nah see, you guys got it all wrong. Just do what I do and do nothing in life. That way when you die, you haven't really lost anything and won't feel bad at all.
 
I'm certainly not afraid of death as I once was, this partly due to my religious beliefs. I am however, a new father with memories, events, dreams, milestones etc etc that I don't want to think about missing with my daughter. While that doesn't scare me, it does sadden me the most regarding mortality. I try not to think about things that I cannot control but it happens.
 
I have had to deal these thoughts also. My wife of 24 yrs is currently fighting a seven year battle with ovarian cancer. The cancer has shown up in her spinal fluid and has caused her to be paralyzed from the waist down. She has been very close to her last breath on two occasions, most recently three months ago from an infection that the Drs said should have killed her.

I'm not writing this for sympathy. My point is that from the moment she was diagnosed she has been positive and at peace. Not that she will be cured as the Drs say her case is terminal. But rather that the time we have is precious and providing her quality of life remains good she will continue to fight for more time though that's in God's hands. Her only concern is that my 15 yr old son and I can will deal with life without her in a positive manor.

My family believes in God and that he will provide what we need to get through this no matter what the outcome. And we hang on to the promise of a life after this one. She has no regrets and we have said our good byes. All three of us leave nothing unsaid between us because tomorrow is an unknown. No matter what the cancer has done to her body, she is more beautiful than the day I met her. She is my hero.

I don't mean to insult anyone but, after watching my wife endure this, it seems rather petty to worry about dying to me now. We should worry about how we live each day and how we treat the ones we love. That's a mission worth living for.

I haven't shared this story in such a public setting as those who know us are our witnesses. But I think there is a perspective and a lesson in it. At least for me there is. If I don't wakeup tomorrow I have no regrets and have left nothing unsaid to my family and friends. Like my wife I am at peace. And... my son gets the NSX though hopefully with 200K more miles than it has now. I hope this help you in some way. Man what a thought provoking tread this has become.

Your post moved me to tears. Your faith seems to be the glue that enables you to persevere. I wish I shared your faith. The honest truth is I have never been able to see God/religion as reasonable both from a logical or heartfelt point of view. How do we who do not believe in Christian values come to grips with our own demise?
 
Steven I have been thinking of this a lot lately. The one thing I have understood is that once you have this figured out, your life will most likely change in a profound way. I am still trying to fully figure it out too. Life is a gift, but we don't treat it that way. We are too caught up in our own problems and issues. The older you get, the more caught up you are in the "issues" of life, the faster time goes by, and the less you actually live.

Have you ever tried looking at the world as a child again? Have you seen the way a baby looks at a red balloon? It's with a real sense of awe and wonder. We can talk a lot here, but thoughts, concepts, schedules, mental "noise", will always keep experience at a distance. The baby, the dog, the puppy, they aren't this way. They are in a quieter state, and so they experience life more fully. They are more attentive, more present, and less in the worry of tomorrow or in sorrow about the past. Practicing this state is important. You and I may feel that we have more days behind us than in front of us, but there is even more bad news. The rate at which time will pass us by is going to continue to accelerate. This is a common and very real phenomena. Between 80-90 you may have ten chronological years, but it will feel about the same as when you were going from 8-9. It is quite spooky. I've tried to understand this, and it seems that mental noise, goals, projecting into the future, have a lot to do with it. If you quiet down like a baby even for a minute, and stare at a red baloon, hear the sounds around you, feel your breath in and out, that minute will last a long time. This needs constant practice until you are no longer so "distracted". It is a difficult task but the quiet moments are very pleasant.

Great thread and some very thoughtful replies.
 
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Steve Allen,
I'm not a theologian so I don't want to get into a religious discussion on this forum as we all know everybody believes differently even within the same church. And by the way, christians don't have the trademark on values.

I'm not sure how to explain it to you but I have always known that something more powerful than I is involved in my life whether in good times or bad. My parents weren't the most religious though I think they believed. I was the only one who went to church in my house though that wasn't all that often. And I have my dark side as all of us do. I didn't go through some momentous life changing experience like others. I just know and always have known.

This experience that my wife is going through has done nothing but strengthen that belief. Oh... I've had my words with the Almighty several times during this but seeing my wife so close to passing I found myself thinking there has to be something more than this life or why care at all? Is this part of some greater plan? Is this whole thing just a coincidence? I don't believe that because it's too elaborate to be coincidence. I wrestle with this all the time. But I have hope that this is not the end but a beginning.

I'm sorry if this is not helping you and you can PM me if you like as I am treading softly because 1)I'm not fanatical and 2)these are my personal beliefs. And I don't want this thread to turn into a religious debate. You asked me a direct question and I'm making a poor attempt to answer it as it pertains to my situation. I will add you to my prayers that you find the answer that works for you.
 
Steve Allen,
I'm not a theologian so I don't want to get into a religious discussion on this forum as we all know everybody believes differently even within the same church. And by the way, christians don't have the trademark on values.

I'm not sure how to explain it to you but I have always known that something more powerful than I is involved in my life whether in good times or bad. My parents weren't the most religious though I think they believed. I was the only one who went to church in my house though that wasn't all that often. And I have my dark side as all of us do. I didn't go through some momentous life changing experience like others. I just know and always have known.

This experience that my wife is going through has done nothing but strengthen that belief. Oh... I've had my words with the Almighty several times during this but seeing my wife so close to passing I found myself thinking there has to be something more than this life or why care at all? Is this part of some greater plan? Is this whole thing just a coincidence? I don't believe that because it's too elaborate to be coincidence. I wrestle with this all the time. But I have hope that this is not the end but a beginning.

I'm sorry if this is not helping you and you can PM me if you like as I am treading softly because 1)I'm not fanatical and 2)these are my personal beliefs. And I don't want this thread to turn into a religious debate. You asked me a direct question and I'm making a poor attempt to answer it as it pertains to my situation. I will add you to my prayers that you find the answer that works for you.

First, I am very sorry for what your family is going through. Based on your comments I believe you are up to the task.

I agree with you in the belief that this is not a coincidence; there is a plan. That being said I have learned that the Diety is under no obligation to share that plan with us.

During my wife's two year battle with breast cancer my mom was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. My pastor told me that God was preparing me for something. In March 2007 I saw my mom for the last time (knowing full well that it was the last time). It was perhaps the most difficult thing I had ever done.

Five months later my wife and I received the news from her oncologist that there was nothing else he could do. My wife's first questions was "How are we going to tell our children?" It took me 4 days to be able to sit down with my children and tell then what was happening. Going through the loss of my mom helped prepare me to help my children deal with the loss of their's. I did not see this a the time; it was after reflecting on this that I realized how one event prepared me for the other.

Steve, thank you for starting this thread; I has been quite thought provoking and it has been a good exercise for me personally.

I hope that you find the answers your looking for,

Matt
 
Thank you for posting your story Matt. It reminded me to go tell my wife that I love her.
 
You guys have posted some moving and heartbreaking stories. My condolences to each of you for your pain and loss.

Going back to the original topic, how have these experiences affected your thoughts about your own mortality? It sounds you're much more appreciative of the truly important things in life, but is there anything else that has not been brought up?

I turned 40 recently, and just had my remaining living grandparent pass away last month. This past Sunday, a friend of mine had his grandmother pass as well. I'm feeling a bit numb about these events, perhaps because I don't like to dwell on things that I cannot control. So instead I try to focus on things that I do have immediate influence over - my career, health, family/friendships, hobbies (cars, traveling, etc.). I'm trying to live my life so that if something were to happen tomorrow, I'd have no regrets. I think I'm about 90% successful in that effort.

Oddly enough, I think less about my mortality now than I did in my 20s and early 30s. Back then, I had a lot more free time and absolutely no debt, so I had basically no stress in my life. My mind started fabricating strange things to worry about, like what if I caught some rare disease, or got injured/killed by some freak accident? It was a weird experience, but it made me realize that having a certain amount of stress is healthy. It also helped me to understand why some truly wealthy people exhibit extreme/irrational behaviors. I'm much happier now, even though I have debt and am older, because I'm not afraid to do things that I truly enjoy. I see time as the enemy now, rather than death, if that makes sense.
 
I worry about the things I can control, and I (try not to) worry about the things I can't.

What I can control is:

  • Being a good husband, friend, and person (regardless of religion)
  • Doing all the things I enjoy (investing in paper, traveling, eating, driving my NSX)

What I couldn't control was being diagnosed with an illness 3 years (at age 31) that will require a kidney transplant. It was not a death sentence, but certainly an life-altering experience. I chose to fight for the day that I am "healthy" again, and to continue to leave the world a better place than I found it.
 
I would be interested to hear from fellow primers how they cope with moratality. As I get older it feels more real to me. There are more years behind me then ahead. I see a lot of those I know and people that I enjoyed
seeing on TV and film pass away.

I will look for your thoughts.

Growing old beats the alternative.
 
Steven I have been thinking of this a lot lately. The one thing I have understood is that once you have this figured out, your life will most likely change in a profound way. I am still trying to fully figure it out too. Life is a gift, but we don't treat it that way. We are too caught up in our own problems and issues. The older you get, the more caught up you are in the "issues" of life, the faster time goes by, and the less you actually live.

Have you ever tried looking at the world as a child again? Have you seen the way a baby looks at a red balloon? It's with a real sense of awe and wonder. We can talk a lot here, but thoughts, concepts, schedules, mental "noise", will always keep experience at a distance. The baby, the dog, the puppy, they aren't this way. They are in a quieter state, and so they experience life more fully. They are more attentive, more present, and less in the worry of tomorrow or in sorrow about the past. Practicing this state is important. You and I may feel that we have more days behind us than in front of us, but there is even more bad news. The rate at which time will pass us by is going to continue to accelerate. This is a common and very real phenomena. Between 80-90 you may have ten chronological years, but it will feel about the same as when you were going from 8-9. It is quite spooky. I've tried to understand this, and it seems that mental noise, goals, projecting into the future, have a lot to do with it. If you quiet down like a baby even for a minute, and stare at a red baloon, hear the sounds around you, feel your breath in and out, that minute will last a long time. This needs constant practice until you are no longer so "distracted". It is a difficult task but the quiet moments are very pleasant.

Great thread and some very thoughtful replies.

I think the reason why life seems to speed up as we get older has a lot to do with the mundane things people fill their days with. If an experience is new it seems to last much longer than if it's something we have already done. As we age and have more experiences behind us doing new things happens less often, thus life speeds up. I think the best example of this is driving somewhere you've never been. The drive there seems to take forever but the drive back seems much quicker.

As an exercise try this for yourself. Plan a day a couple of weeks out to drive somewhere and do something you've never done before, like skydiving or something. The time leading up to your excitement will tick away slowly. The drive to get on the plane will also go by at a snails pace. Afterwards you'll be driving home daydreaming about the fun you just had. The drive will seem to be half as long getting home.

I enjoy spending some of my time with younger people trying to help them avoid bad decisions. This will add value to their lives as they can skip over mistakes and reach their goals faster. However through experience I have witnessed how some people just have to make mistakes in order to learn.

I really enjoy spending time with older people and quizzing them on what mistakes to avoid.
 
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