Cars are boring

[latzke]

I think the new TL is a pretty nice car (and it's a Acura) for a 4-door sedan. Good looks inside and out, decent performance... particularly with the 6-speed and brembo brakes. I don't find it boring at all... not so for most everything else out there in this catagory!

While a lot of people seem to like the TL, I think it's far too big/heavy (and too much $$). I think the TSX comes a lot closer to being a fun sedan (light, peppy, 6-speed) plus a good assortment of gadgets (HIDs, hands-free-link, etc)...and the price is very reasonable.

 

[sahtt]

2002 Honda CBR954RR. Not all Honda's are known to be underpowered. That's just mine and it's out of date and slow compared to the new models. I got into sportbikes simply because any car on the market that interested me was 6 figures besides a select few I was already in the process of obtaining in the next few years.

 

[latzke]

Would I take one of these over my 98 NSX for the same price my NSX was NEW?

In that case, I'll have a new 2007 Solstice waiting for you when you arrive. PM me your address and I'll send you driving directions. Remember to bring your title.

 

[steveny]

Another thing that bugs me is laying down 50k or even 100k for a car that I see 5 of every mile of road.

 

[mattd]

Only car that steals my heart besides Ferrari 360 or 430 is the Zonda Pagani which is similar to NSX anyways just way more exotic.

 

[Ski_Banker]

Sorry but that 997S will walk away from the NSX on the track.

You seem really enthusiastic about dogging the NSX vs. your run-o'-the-mill porsche. This isn't a thread about 911s. It's a thread about how special the NSX is to most of us. Ferrari owners would call it passion and, I guess, so would I. So save your irrelevant offtopic comments for the "delete" thread if you feel the need to post something.

BTW, your 996 certainly will NOT walk away from my 2005. Apples-to-apples comparison....

 

[Ski_Banker]

Maybe hop into an 07 997S or turbo. Either one of which will spank an NSX. Too bad Honda let the NSX sit stagnant for so long. Still a nice car, I like mine.

How asinine... have any thoughtful comments about "our mothers"?

 

[latzke]

How asinine... have any thoughtful comments about "our mothers"?

I think Alan's comments are quite on topic / relevant (on the other hand, you're being a jerk for no good reason...not that there ever is a good reason). The closest car out there to the NSX, IMO, are the 911s or it's smaller sister (C-something). Porsche seems to be the one sports car manufacturer that REALLY learned from the NSX and today makes a dependable sports car (topping reliability charts recently like the NSX did back in the day), that is fun and performs well, that has great fit & finish, etc (none of these could be said about the 911 in late 1990 when the NSX came out).

There may be some things I/you/he/we don't like about the P-Cars, but you can't overlook that they now make a really great, comparable car that has also been refreshed over time, while the NSX is a great car that hasn't been refreshed in the same way. If you're trying to find a "modern" car that isn't boring in the same class as the NSX (largely the topic of this thread)...the P-cars are one of very few comparable cars one could consider.

 

[Ski_Banker]

I think Alan's comments are quite on topic / relevant (on the other hand, you're being a jerk for no good reason...not that there ever is a good reason). The closest car out there to the NSX, IMO, are the 911s or it's smaller sister (C-something). Porsche seems to be the one sports car manufacturer that REALLY learned from the NSX and today makes a dependable sports car (topping reliability charts recently like the NSX did back in the day), that is fun and performs well, that has great fit & finish, etc (none of these could be said about the 911 in late 1990 when the NSX came out).

There may be some things I/you/he/we don't like about the P-Cars, but you can't overlook that they now make a really great, comparable car that has also been refreshed over time, while the NSX is a great car that hasn't been refreshed in the same way. If you're trying to find a "modern" car that isn't boring in the same class as the NSX (largely the topic of this thread)...the P-cars are one of very few comparable cars one could consider.

I agree, but my bone-to-pick with Alan is his insulting remarks about the NSX, not positive comments about 911s. His posts are a slap in the face the same way any troll would write "yeah but your car sucks and is slower than my EVO" or something. Just not necessary. If this were his first few posts, everyone would call him a troll and ask him to leave.

 

[Alan C.]

Ski_Banker, I have enjoyed your posts right up to the point where you switched into the 9 year old mode.

I don't understand how you think an 02 996 is apples to apples against an 05 NSX. However, an 05 997 (not the 'S') to your 05 NSX would be interesting stock vs. stock. A 91 3.6 C2 vs. your 05 NSX would be no contest. In fact a stock 91 3.3 turbo would most likely fall victim to the 05 NSX maybe even a 91 NSX. In about 2 months I'll get a chance to compare the 91 NSX to the 02 996 at Mid-Ohio both on RA1's. I'll be sure to let you know how it turns out. I believe that is an unbiased approach. If the NSX is faster I'll be happy to tell you.

BTW, you seem to have missed the point. I like the NSX and it was a great piece of engineering. The body is outstanding. What happened is as stated in post 58 above. Also, Honda did not develop the car to the next level. In the low volumes of later sales the economics just were not there. Wouldn't you like to know what the car might have become had Honda tried keeping up with their competition.

I get a kick out of pointing out to my friends, Porsche owners included, the engineering Honda put into this car in 91. At that time it was in a league by itself. But times have changed. Porsche and other car manufacturers have done to Honda what Honda did to them in 91. If Honda’s replacement for the NSX blows the rest away that will be a good thing in that it will make the others improve their product.

Finally, I enjoy other's opinions and a bit of debate even if you don't.

 

[Ski_Banker]

Finally, I enjoy other's opinions and a bit of debate even if you don't.

Actually, I love constructive debates and have posted many times on the subject. Not the point here.

This isn't a "NSX vs. [ ]" thread. There are lots of those and your comparisons to 911s are 100% valid. Your tone towards "NSX Prime's official favorite car" could have been far less inflammatory however.

Either way -- I and others think it is a pretty cool "passion-for-the-NSX" thread. And I hate to see the thread die again simply due to juvenile bickering on our part. So -- I'll happily delete my insulting comments towards you, if you'll happily delete your insulting comments about the NSX. Fair?

 

[Alan C.]

I appreciate what you are saying but I'm not a big one for censorship. Why not leave what has been posted and I'll keep your sensitivity in mind on future posts.

 

[damthatbeaver]

That Zonda is phat! But its $325,000 I get awesome reviews for a car that cost me $29,000...but drives and looks like its worth $80,000! As for Porches...A fellow NSXer looked at buying one for $99,000...but decided that a Ferrari 355 would be a better choice - or a newer NSX!! In the end it is up to the individual - but for looks and performance and a price tag under $100,000, I would go for an NSX or a Ferrari 355...actually - the Ferrari would be out because shop costs are insane. My buddy is awesome with cars - so a 355 would be a great idea for him. In the end - I will be more than content to bomb around in my 1991 "machine" of dreams.

So ends my sermon.

 

[steveny]

I will be more than content to bomb around in my 1991 "machine" of dreams.

Are you quoting Queen? One of my favorite songs.

 

[NSXLuvr]

Sorry but that 997S will walk away from the NSX on the track.

Who is talking about the track? I am talking about seating position, redline etc etc. I know what a 997S is capable of. Its not THAt impressive. I was talking about how its feels on the STREET.

 

[Ski_Banker]

I appreciate what you are saying but I'm not a big one for censorship. Why not leave what has been posted and I'll keep your sensitivity in mind on future posts.

Thanks for taking my sensitivity into consideration. I'll use easy to understand language and small words to take your density and illiteracy into consideration. How's this for starters:

I LIKE MY NSX. IT MAKES ME :biggrin: A LOT. ALL OTHER CARS MAKE ME :frown: .

 

[Alan C.]

Still in that 9 year old mode I see.

 

[Da Hapa]

Maybe hop into an 07 997S or turbo. Either one of which will spank an NSX. Too bad Honda let the NSX sit stagnant for so long. Still a nice car, I like mine.

I agree with you that it is a shame that Honda didn't make greater efforts to improve on the stellar original. The improvements to the NA2 car are far more impressive from the seat of the pants than on the spec. sheet but to me, there isn't a big enough difference between a 1997 NSX-t and a 2005 NSX-T. And that's a shame.

But... comparing even a 2005 to a 997s or 997 turbo isn't really fair.

Instead, compare it to a Cayman S. Both are mid engined, 6 cylinder, daily driver type sports cars. And a reasonably optioned Cayman S and the real selling price of most 2005 NSX's is about the same.

I've spent more than 1,000 miles behind the wheel of the Cayman S and I came away very impressed.

It's a lot more "usable" than the NSX in that there's a lot more room inside (esp. headroom), lots more storage, seems to get over speedbumps and curbs much easier, and you sit much more upright.

The handling is excellent. The brakes are better than the NSX. The shifter (with the OEM short shift) is as good too.

But... it's watered down. It simply isn't as visceral as the NSX.

Maybe that's good... maybe that's bad. To me... a sports car should get the blood flowing as fast as possible and $ for $ the NSX does that better for me than the Cayman S does.

 

[dxd]

I just sold my 2001 996 and purchased a 1997 NSX - T. The peformance is exactly the same when it comes to 0 - 60 and top speed (996 might have a slight edge on top speed). The NSX is a far better car when it comes to looks both interior/exterior and the "rarity" is definitely a wonderful thing. The 911 on highway speeds and "sweeping" corners feels more stable and planted to the pavement. The steering feel is definitely better in the Porsche. I tracked the Porsche a few times and was on pace w/355's etc.. The Porsche is a standout at the track.

I have never tracked the NSX nor do I plan to. I think the rarity and the future "collectableness" of the NSX makes it very special and I do not want to beat her at the track. This feeling may change down the road but I doubt it. All in all, so far I like the NSX better however I do miss the steering feel of the Porsche. You could literally feel every little pebble in the road! The NSX is a close second when it comes to road feel and a DEFINITE first when it comes to rarity, cockpit feel, stance and looks! Both cars have fantastic fit and finish. I just got sick of driving by 5 911's on my way to work every morning! Besides that it was a great car that I loved and owned for nearly 4 years....

I always wanted to have a true mid engined exotic that would not break the bank and the NSX fit the bill to a "T". I am sure the NSX will give me years of joy as long as my wife does not make me sell her :frown: We are having our first child in a weeks time and I figured I should "the" sports car before my son arrives otherwise I'll never get one :smile:

I agree with you that it is a shame that Honda didn't make greater efforts to improve on the stellar original. The improvements to the NA2 car are far more impressive from the seat of the pants than on the spec. sheet but to me, there isn't a big enough difference between a 1997 NSX-t and a 2005 NSX-T. And that's a shame.

But... comparing even a 2005 to a 997s or 997 turbo isn't really fair.

Instead, compare it to a Cayman S. Both are mid engined, 6 cylinder, daily driver type sports cars. And a reasonably optioned Cayman S and the real selling price of most 2005 NSX's is about the same.

I've spent more than 1,000 miles behind the wheel of the Cayman S and I came away very impressed.

It's a lot more "usable" than the NSX in that there's a lot more room inside (esp. headroom), lots more storage, seems to get over speedbumps and curbs much easier, and you sit much more upright.

The handling is excellent. The brakes are better than the NSX. The shifter (with the OEM short shift) is as good too.

But... it's watered down. It simply isn't as visceral as the NSX.

Maybe that's good... maybe that's bad. To me... a sports car should get the blood flowing as fast as possible and $ for $ the NSX does that better for me than the Cayman S does.

 

[dxd]

Here are pics of the two cars : old and new

 

[P. Porter]

The only thing more boring would be a white NSX.

 

[dxd]

The only thing more boring would be a white NSX.

The "rude" guy is back! I told you I would post pics of the car... Oh yeah this is the one I couldn't buy for cash - remember:smile:

Still can't sell your car? Sould have been nicer and maybe I would have considered yours..

 

[P. Porter]

No, you have it all wrong. It was I that didn't consider you, remember? You weren't considered, not because of any doubt of your ability to pay cash, since the price asked is easily obtainable by most NSX buyers. You weren't considered because you only wanted my bottom line asking price, so you could go negotiate with my price on the car you would have bought anyway in California. Your definition of nice was to sell you my car for your below market offer. You had no intention of flying out here to buy my car. I merely saved both of us from wasting alot of time.

 

[Alan C.]

dxd,
Thanks for the side side photos. I agree, the NSX has it on looks. After our recent snows in Cincinnati the red NSX sure looked good every time I opened the garage door against the white in the driveway.

Dahapa,
I think most in the Porsche world would agree on the watered down aspect of the Cayman S. With the GT3 RS drive train it would be a killer!
One can only hope that the competion will push them in that direction.

Howevr, I guess you could send your engine to SOS for a displacement upgrade and rebuild along with adding an updated set of shocks. My guess is that this could be done for under $17k. At my purchase price for the 91 NSX that would still put me $20k under the Cayman S.

 

[Da Hapa]

Dahapa,
I think most in the Porsche world would agree on the watered down aspect of the Cayman S. With the GT3 RS drive train it would be a killer!
One can only hope that the competion will push them in that direction.

The only problem with that is Porsche's pricing policies. If the boys in Stuttgart dropped in a motor better suited to that great chassis, the MSRP would absolutely skyrocket.