Carrera GT fastest car on Nürburgring

[mdacuramgr]

the Ferrari Enzo Ferrari is the ultimate car built to date. They built 399 of them and at least one has been wrecked already. (wreckedexotics.com) the Carrera GT's volume is goingt o be around 1500. The McLaren F1 was less than 200. The Mclaren is a wonderful car but tough to drive. The A/C worked poorly and repairs might be difficult short of shipping it to England. The Ferrari has great A/C as Does the Porsche. If you have the money to buy one buy both. Better yet go to your local Ferrari dealer kiss some major butt and order a F430 (better get a coupe, Spyder and Challenge), F600 Monza, F612 Scagletti as well as anything else they come out with between now and then and then the next time they come out with a world beating super car MAYBE you can be considered by the President of Scuderia Ferrari as worthy of buying one. That might not be quite enough be it is always worth a shot? You could always by a Ferrari Dealership, oh wait it might be eaiser to go the butt kissing route.

 

[Arata]

My neighbor has a GT, he does not like it as much as his Modena, and is trying to sell the GT.
I know he does not like the way the clutch works, I will try and find out more details.

 

[Ponyboy]

I saw one last week at a high end dealership during the unveiling of the new 911 and SLK. The car was beautiful. Absolutely. Carbon fiber everywhere. Fit and finish the best I've ever seen. The only thing I didn't like was the sound...though very much like an F1 car...it was too muffled. Granted I didn't hear it under load but it lacked evidence of the 600hp engine while reving at a stop. Still, by the numbers and by looking over every body panel, curve, interior, and engine part, it's the most impressive car I've ever seen.

Here's some pics from the event.

Carrera GT

 

[spry]

My dad's good friend owns a GT. Why did he get the porsche instead of a ferrari? The reason is simple, it's a porsche, he's got a garage full of 911 custom turbo'd widebodies. I'm assuming that the majortity of the people who buy one of these Carrera GT's is somewhat of a p-car enthusiast.

 

[NeoNSX]

, but what are you gonna do. someday ill run into one.

Run into one? Not literally I hope.

Having seen one at a car show, I was surprised how small it was in real life. In photos, it looks big, beefy and aggressive. It was still impressive though

 

[slashmatt]

That would be a nice car to have. I personally would get several cars that I think are cool and would love to have and modify the hell out of them. Maybe even start a small racing team with an S2000? I would love to do that!

You could start a successful racing S2k racing team for much less than 1.2m

 

[slashmatt]

My neighbor has a GT, he does not like it as much as his Modena, and is trying to sell the GT.
I know he does not like the way the clutch works, I will try and find out more details.

The CGT's clutch will NOT allow you to launch the car, but it works perfectly. Besides starting in first, the car is supposed to shift very precisely once the car is rolling.

How often do you launch out on the course during the 24 hours of Le Mans anyway?

 

[NSX-Racer]

How often do you launch out on the course during the 24 hours of Le Mans anyway?

A bit more than 25 times I would guess - always after a pit stop.

 

[martin]

Oh wait, I don't see a Carrera GT listed in there. My eyes got a little tired halfway through your list. By the way, are you going to get one?

Hi

Well Carguy bought one and you can watch it in his garage here

Not sure what the CGT will cost in Norway, but I would assume that it will be about $900.000 here.

Regards

 

[CDub]

The CGT's clutch will NOT allow you to launch the car, but it works perfectly. Besides starting in first, the car is supposed to shift very precisely once the car is rolling.

How often do you launch out on the course during the 24 hours of Le Mans anyway?

I was having problem launching the CGT but Carguy (post #36) pointed out that the computer will do the launch for you. All you got to do is release the clutch without gas and the computer will do the rest. Once the car is rolling, then you start giving it gas. Never have a chance to try it.

Shifting is something that takes a bit of getting used to. Shifting to 3rd and 5th almost feel like you have to reach out with your arm parallel to your shoulder because the stick is so high. 3rd gear is a bit tricky to shift also.

 

[JDM NSX]

I saw a Red Enzo on ebay for $999,999 in San Diego. No bids though... I personally love the enzo but they both one the HOTTEST CARS on the face of this planet! There seem to be more Carrera GTs then enzos, its much harder to buy an enzo then a carrera gt.

 

[akira3d]

After this post went up, I searched the net and found a list of real-world best times from Nürburgring (mainly to get times to beat when playing GT4, but it seemed fitting for this thread):


6:59 --- Ferrari 312T, Niki Lauda, German GP, training (1975)
7:06 --- Ferrari 312T, Clay Regazzoni, German GP, race (1975) *1.2m longer circuit than standard Nordschleife

6:11 --- Porsche 956, Group C, Stefan Bellof, training (1983)
6:26 --- Porsche 956, Group C, Stefan Bellof, race (1983)
6:41 --- Porsche 956, Group C, Derek Bell 7:50 --- BMW X5 Le Mans V12, Hans Stuck (2001)
*0.232 km longer than current, standard Nordschleife


7:06 --- BMW M3 GTR, 24hrs, test session, Jörg Müller (2003)
7:19 --- Radical SR3 Turbo (2003)
7:20* -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 2003) *estimated
7:25 --- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:28 --- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl, Autobild July 2004
7:32.4 -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time by Horst Von Saurma
7:32.5 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (2001)
7:36 --- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)
7:40* -- Porsche Carrera GT, *estimated time on cold and partially wet track (2003)
7:40 --- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig, Autobild July 2004
7:42 --- Radical 1500 SR3 (2002)
7:43 --- TechArt GT Street (2001)
7:43 --- Porsche 996 911 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Rohrl, MOTOR Magazine
7:43.5 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine, 2002)
7:44 --- Pagani Zonda C12S (2003)
7:45 --- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 (2000)
7:46 --- Porsche 996 GT2
7:46 --- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (1999)
7:47 --- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381PS (996) (2004)
7:49 --- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup
7:50 --- BMW E46 M3 CSL (08/2003)
7:50 --- Blitz Supra, 750 PS, Herbert Schürg (1997)
7:50 --- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (1993)
7:50 --- Lamborghini Murcielago (06/2002)
7:52 --- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (1995)
7:52 --- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (12/2003)
7:52 --- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (06/2004)
7:54 --- Porsche GT3 (996) (2003)
7:55 --- Caterham R500 Superlight (2002)
7:56 --- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (02/2004)
7:56 --- Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (tested by Dave Hill)
7:57 --- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600 PS, racing suspension
7:59 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Performance Chassis) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:02 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Sport PASM setting) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:03 --- Porsche 996 GT3 (1999)
8:04 --- Lamborghini Diablo GT (07/2000)
8:05 --- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1 (12/2002)
8:05 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Normal PASM setting)(Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:06 --- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG
8:06 --- Caterham 7 Superlight R, Robert Nearn
8:07 --- Ferrari 550 Maranello (06/1998)
8:09 --- Honda NSX-R 3.2 (08/2002)
8:09 --- Ferrari 360 Modena (10/1999)
8:09 --- Lamborghini Diablo SV (no ABS?)
8:10 --- Chrysler Viper GTS, 411PS, UK-Spec, no ABS (10/1997)
8:10 --- Donkervoort D8 180R
8:12 --- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (04/2002)
8:12 --- Porsche 993 Turbo
8:13 --- Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS (05/1999)
8:13 --- Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 PS (10/2004)
8:15 --- Ruf 911 CTR 2, 520 PS
8:15*-- Holden GTS (2000), *estimated
8:15 --- Porsche 911 Carrera 2 (997) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:16 --- AC-Schnitzer E36 M3 CLS II, 350 PS (11/1997)
8:17 --- Aston Martin Vanquish (2003)
8:17 --- Porsche 996 C2
8:18 --- BMW Z8, 400 PS (08/2000)
8:18 --- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344 PS (09/2003)
8:18 --- Ferrari F355 (06/1997)
8:20 --- Audi RS6 (2002)
8:22 --- BMW E46 M3 (12/2000)
8:22 --- BMW M Coupe, 321 PS (10/1998)
8:22 --- Mercedes-Benz C55 (07/2004)
8:23 --- Aston Martin DB7 GT (2003)
8:23 --- Porsche 996 Carrera 4
8:24 --- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (2004)
8:25 --- Audi RS4 375 HP
8:25 --- Callaway C12
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI (11/1999)
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (11/2002)
8:26 --- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG (05/2001)
8:26 --- Nissan 350Z (2003)
8:28 --- BMW M5, 400 PS(also confirmed by Motor Commodore magazine, 2000)
8:28 --- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- Porsche 993 Carrera 2
8:29 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG (05/2000)
8:29 --- Audi S4 4.2 Avant (11/2003)
8:30 --- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa (10/2002)
8:31 --- Ferrari F355 GTS, 380 PS
8:32 --- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS (09/1997)
8:32 --- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (05/2003)
8:32 --- Porsche Boxster S
8:32 --- Volkswagen Golf R32
8:34 --- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS (04/2001)
8:35 --- BMW M3 Coupe, 321 PS
8:35 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé (02/2002)
8:36 --- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (07/1999)
8:37 --- Maserati 3200GT (2002)
8:37 --- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG (09/2001)
8:37 --- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo
8:37 --- Honda NSX 3.0 (07/1991)
8:38 --- Honda NSX 3.2 (08/1997)
8:38 --- Mercedes Benz SL500 (12/2001)
8:38 --- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296 PS
8:38 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8 (12/1998)
8:39 --- Honda S2000 (01/2000)
8:39 --- Morgan Aero 8 (04/2003)
8:40 --- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
8:40 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5 Targa Automatic (07/1997)
8:41 --- Aston Martin DB7 (1999)
8:41 --- Audi S3, 210 PS (06/1999)
8:42 --- Audi S4, 265 PS (08/1998)
8:42 --- Lotus Exige (11/2000)
8:43 --- Honda Integra Type R (12/2000)
8:44 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5
8:45 --- Chevrolet Corvette, 339 PS, automatic
8:46 --- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285 PS
8:47 --- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS (11/2001)
8:49 --- Jaguar XKR Coupe (07/1998)
8:49 --- Renault Clio Sport V6
8:49 --- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupé, 225 PS (11/1998)
8:50* -- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (2000)
8:51 --- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG (02/1998)
8:52 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 430
8:58 --- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (07/1991)
9:09 --- Volkswagen Golf V6 4Motion

 

[NetViper]

This is interesing:

8:37 --- Honda NSX 3.0 (07/1991)
8:38 --- Honda NSX 3.2 (08/1997)

And why is the NSX-R not on that list?

 

[Sig]

This is interesing:

8:37 --- Honda NSX 3.0 (07/1991)
8:38 --- Honda NSX 3.2 (08/1997)

And why is the NSX-R not on that list?

8:09 --- Honda NSX-R 3.2 (08/2002)

It was hiding. :wink:

 

[NetViper]

8:09 --- Honda NSX-R 3.2 (08/2002)

It was hiding. :wink:

hmm... I meant the 7:56 from Best Motoring. Was that not an official time?

 

[NSX-Racer]

There's some problem with comparing the times:

1. It's a mixup of times from the Nordschleife alone and (in case of the 24 hours times) Nordschleife plus a portion of the new GP track (this portion varies from year to year, nearly never the same - depends on the space they need for additional "Fahrerlager" on parts of the GP track)

2. A lot of the posted times are from "sport auto" supertest which isn't driven on the whole Nordschleife (including the times from NSX 1997 and NSX-R - has been discussed before)

3. They renewed the tarmac from time to time - the surface is quite different (means faster) now from 20 years ago

4. The lap times where driven in different weather and temperature conditions which can make a huge difference on this long track.

5. The times where driven on different tires - from race slicks to street legal tires (some even with street legal sports tires like Yoko A 038 on the Caterham)

6. Only the "sport auto" laps where always driven by the same driver (with one exception)

Conclusion: These times may give you some hints but no real comparison.
So, NetViper: The 1 second gap between the two NSXs has absolutely nothing to say - plus: AFAIK the first test was on OEM Yoko tires and the second on OEM Bridgestones.

 

[05lbbpnsx]

Haha, if only the Enzo sold at its MSRP of 660,000 still...
I was just in the Porsche dealer looking at their black Carrera GT (schneider-nelson in new jersey)... so much more amazing in person, the detail and quality is just stunning.
Anyway, sticker was "only" 448,000... Enzos are going for a cool million now.