Car Inspection - Orlando

[clr1024]

I am looking at an NSX in Orlando tomorrow(Tuesday April 20th), I wanted to know if either someone from the forum could help me look at it and also where is a good place to take it to get an inspection by a good NSX tech.

Thanks in advance,

Carl

 

[nsx-ray]

There are several of us here in Orlando. Where exactly is the car? Have it inspected at either Fournier's Automotive 407-898-8002 (speak to Carl) or First Class Automotive 407-228-2849 (NSX tech is Nabil Armaly).

Wei-Shen
407-832-0176

 

[clr1024]

I am supposed to go look at the car downtown tomorrow at lunch time, in the suntrust building parking garage. I pulled the carfax and it looks clean. Need to verify the Vin on the tranny for snap ring issues. The clutch and timing belt have been done, he didn't mention the water pump or window regulators so I will have to verify those items as well.

 

[andyray1983]

Take it to Nabil at First Class -- he will give you an accurate picture, and a good opinion. His shop is across from Fashion Square, maybe the owner will meet you there instead.

 

[clr1024]

I looked at the car today, finally. It is in decent shape not meticulous, the front bumper was repainted due to minor damage, owner is to provide me with the receipt for this as well as other repairs. The panels all seem to line up correctly. There is wear on the seats but I expect that for a 91, The car fax is clean. He did replace the clutch and timing belt but not the water pump(not sure why you wouldn't due that, but at least the timing belt was done), new bose speakers(not a fan but at least they work) and new tires. The car is not meticulous in engine and front compartment, however it only has 59K and most of the major service work done. The windows roll up a little slow, maybe the dali fix it thingys and lube the tracks. The rear strut bar is missing. There is a slight bump in the rear bumper however paint is intact, think I could replace that fairly cheaply. I want to get the WW kit eventually and could get that done at the same time. Only other issue was right up at the front of the dash in the middle next to the window, maybe near some sensor(center channel???not sure what it was) there was a small crack in the dash. Car was not smoked in.
The car drove well and sounded and seemed very tight, no creaks that I could tell, handles great and drives well(once you get use to no power steering)

A/C blows cool but not cold, may need freon, but I woudl think Nabil can do a pressure test on the system to check for leaks.

Car is not in snap ring range. Hopefully next friday I can take it to Nabil at First Class Automotive for a mechanical inspection, including compression check/leak down test.

I would say the car is a B-C+( I took pictures and can post them once I upload them to the computer)

He is asking 24K which seems fair to me, what do you guys think?

Thanks in advance for your opinions.

Carl

 

[nsxtasy]

Only other issue was right up at the front of the dash in the middle next to the window, maybe near some sensor(center channel???not sure what it was) there was a small crack in the dash.

The crack next to the climate control sensor is a common problem, as noted in the FAQ (Troubleshooting - Interior).

He is asking 24K which seems fair to me, what do you guys think?

Sounds like a bargain. Buy it before someone else here beats you to it.

 

[clr1024]

Thanks for the response. I told him I was very interested, just need to get it mechanically inspected, he has a busy week next week and said he can't drop the car until friday of at First Class. I was the first person to test drive. He did say two other people were flying in to come see it/test drive. So if he is a stand up guy I am hoping once it checks out mechanically I get first bid, I did say that if it checks out with the mechanic I would give him his asking price, rather than try and haggle for $500 and possibly have him sell to someone else. I don't want to get into a bidding war though.

Thanks,

Carl

 

[nsxtasy]

Thanks for the response. I told him I was very interested, just need to get it mechanically inspected, he has a busy week next week and said he can't drop the car until friday of at First Class. I was the first person to test drive. He did say two other people were flying in to come see it/test drive. So if he is a stand up guy I am hoping once it checks out mechanically I get first bid, I did say that if it checks out with the mechanic I would give him his asking price, rather than try and haggle for $500 and possibly have him sell to someone else. I don't want to get into a bidding war though.

The way you have left it, he can turn around and sell it to someone else.

If you are serious about this car - to the extent that you would feel bad if someone else bought it - then I would suggest that you and he sign a simple contract that you can write yourself (containing a clause saying that it's contingent on First Class not finding any undisclosed problems), and that you give him a deposit (that the contract specifies is refundable if First Class DOES find problems and you decide to back out as a result). Otherwise, you could lose it.

I don't know the seller or the car, but this advice generally holds true for anyone who thinks he's found the car and doesn't want to let it slip through his hands.

 

[clr1024]

Car Fax,

I was reviewing the Car Fax and under a few places it says
"exempt from odometer reporting" excuse my ignorance but what exactly does that mean?

See below:


A CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information supplied to CARFAX. Other information about this vehicle, including problems, may not have been reported to CARFAX. Use this report as one important tool, along with a vehicle inspection and test drive, to make a better decision about your next used car.



Good News -- Vehicle qualifies for the CARFAX Buyback Guarantee! No severe problems (major accidents, fire, flood damage, major odometer problems or lemon history) were ever reported by a Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) for this 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1152MT002273). If you find that any of these severe problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back.

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CARFAX Talking CarTM
The story of this 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1152MT002273) according to our interpretation of the information reported to CARFAX:
This coupe has had 1 owner in Indiana. The first title for this coupe was reported to CARFAX by an Indiana DMV in 1991.
It has had no minor or moderate accidents reported to CARFAX.
It has had no DMV-reported total loss events, like a major accident, fire or flood.
It has a consistent mileage history with no indication of an odometer rollback. The last odometer reading, reported on 05/08/1998, was 35,000 miles.
It was not reported to a DMV as a Manufacturer Buyback (LEMON).
Go to the Detailed Vehicle History for the complete history and a glossary of terms.


Report Summary
1. ACCIDENT CHECK

Total Loss Check No Severe Accidents Reported to DMV - Buyback Guarantee!
Other Accident Indicators No Accident Indicators Reported
2. MILEAGE ACCURACY CHECK

Truth-In-Mileage Check No Odometer Problems Reported to DMV - Buyback Guarantee!
Odometer Rollback Check No Potential Odometer Rollback Found
Mileage Consistency Check No Inconsistent Odometer Reading Found
3. LEMON CHECK®
No Mfr. Buyback Reported to DMV - Buyback Guarantee!
4. OWNERSHIP CHECK

Number of Owners 1 Estimated Owner(s)
Type of Owners Checked 9 Types of Vehicle Registrations
5. RECALL CHECK
ACURA Does Not Report Recalls to CARFAX
6. WARRANTY CHECK
No Data Reported to CARFAX
DETAILED VEHICLE HISTORY 14 HISTORY RECORDS REPORTED







Year/Make/Model: 1991 ACURA NSX

Body Style: COUPE
Engine: 3.0L V6 PFI DOHC 24V
Fuel: GASOLINE
Driveline: REAR WHEEL DRIVE
Manufactured in: JAPAN
Safety Equipment: 4 wheel ABS, Driver front air bag/passenger side active (manual) belt

Standard Equipment: Power Windows, Power Steering Optional, Air Conditioning, AM / FM Cassette, Power Brakes, Tilt Wheel





Total Loss Check:


GOOD NEWS! No severe damage events were ever reported by a DMV for this 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1152MT002273). If you find that any of the following severe problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back. You must register to activate this free guarantee!


Salvage Title Loss Due To Fire Title
Junk Title Flood Damage Title
Rebuilt/Reconstructed Title Hail Damage Title
Dismantled Title Canadian Total Loss


Other Accident Indicators:


This 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1152MT002273) had no accident indicators reported to CARFAX from its sources. This section checks for accidents and/or related damage reported from many public and private sources. Not all accidents are reported to CARFAX. A vehicle inspection completed by your dealer or professional mechanic is recommended.

No Salvage Auction Record Reported No Crash Test Vehicle Record Reported
No Fire Damage Record Reported No Airbag Deployment Record Reported
No Police Accident Record Reported No Damage Disclosure Record Reported


CARFAX depends on public and private sources for its accident data. Each one of these sources has different processing times. CARFAX can only report what is in our database on 16.Apr.2004 09:12:56. New data will result in a change to this report.

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Truth-In-Mileage Check:


GOOD NEWS! No major odometer problems were ever reported by a DMV under the Truth-In-Mileage Act for this 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1152MT002273). If you find that any of the following odometer problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back. You must register to activate this free guarantee!

Not Actual Mileage Title - issued by DMV when the owner discloses mileage fraud or a broken odometer.
Exceeds Mechanical Limits Title - issued by DMV when the owner discloses an odometer rollover.


Odometer Rollback Check:


CARFAX found no odometer rollbacks for this 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1152MT002273). Rollbacks reported in this section originate from readings collected by a DMV or other verifiable source.

Mileage Consistency Check:


CARFAX found no inconsistent odometer readings in the mileage history of this 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1152MT002273).

Date: Mileage:
07/02/1991 55
04/21/1997 19,754
05/24/1997 28,000
06/04/1997 28,462
01/22/1998 32,000
05/08/1998 35,000



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GOOD NEWS! No manufacturer buyback was ever reported by a DMV for this 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1152MT002273). If you find that a manufacturer buyback was reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back. You must register to activate this free guarantee!

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Ownership History:


CARFAX estimates that this 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1152MT002273) had 1 owner(s). CARFAX analyzed this vehicle's title history and other supporting events to identify potential ownership transfers. In compliance with the U.S. privacy laws, CARFAX does not collect or report owner names or addresses.

Estimated Owners: Date: Location:
1st owner 07/02/1991 Indiana

Types of Owners:


This 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1152MT002273) was checked for 9 types of registrations.

No Personal Use Registration Reported No Fleet Registration Reported
No Lease Registration Reported No Commercial Registration Reported
No Rental Registration Reported No Non-Profit Registration Reported
No Government Registration Reported No Built to Non U.S. Standards Record Reported
No Taxi Registration Reported

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ACURA does not report recall information for specific vehicles to CARFAX.
Go to National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) for a list of all the safety recalls issued for the 1991 ACURA NSX. You can also contact an authorized dealership or ACURA at 1-800-999-1009 to find out if this 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1152MT002273) still has recalls that require repair.

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CARFAX cannot calculate the remaining coverage for this 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1152MT002273) because no original manufacturer warranty information was reported to CARFAX by its source.

Estimated start date of warranty: 07/02/1991
Last reading reported on 05/08/1998: 35,000 miles
Today's Date: April 16, 2004

Type of Coverage: Original Warranty:
Basic No data reported to CARFAX
Drivetrain No data reported to CARFAX
Emissions No data reported to CARFAX
Corrosion No data reported to CARFAX
Transferable No data reported to CARFAX
Roadside Assistance No data reported to CARFAX
Safety belt & inflatable restraint No data reported to CARFAX


CARFAX Warranty Check provides an estimate of this vehicle's remaining warranty coverage. It does not take into account some vehicle history events. For example, major accidents resulting in Salvage or Junk titles that may void the original manufacturer warranty or ownership transfers that may decrease warranty coverage. Complete warranty coverage information is available for this vehicle at the at the ACURA web site.


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CARFAX searched more than 2.7 billion records from over 5,300 sources and found 14 record(s) for this 1991 ACURA NSX (JH4NA1152MT002273).

Date:
Mileage Reading:
Source:
General Comments:


07/02/1991 55 Indiana
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Syracuse, IN
Title #91168119013
Title issued
First owner reported


08/08/1996 Alabama
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Birmingham, AL
Title #19885758
Title issued


04/21/1997 19,754 Illinois
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Antioch, IL
Title #T7111876015
Title issued


05/24/1997 28,000 Florida
Inspection Station
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Passed emissions inspection


06/04/1997 28,462 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Title #71235175
Odometer reading reported for title


06/09/1997 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Title #71235175
Title issued
Loan or lien reported


12/01/1997 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Title #71235175
Title issued
Loan or lien reported


01/22/1998 32,000 Florida
Inspection Station
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Passed emissions inspection


05/08/1998 35,000 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Winter Park, FL
Odometer reading reported for title


05/12/1998 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Winter Park, FL
Title #71235175
Title issued
Loan or lien reported


10/11/2000 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Winter Park, FL
Title #0071235175
Title issued


07/17/2001 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Winter Park, FL
Title #0071235175
Title issued
Exempt from odometer reporting


03/12/2002 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Winter Park, FL
Title #0071235175
Title issued
Duplicate title issued
Loan or lien reported
Exempt from odometer reporting


03/12/2002 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Winter Park, FL
Title #0071235175
Title issued
Exempt from odometer reporting

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Severe Damage: Odometer Problems: Lemon History:
Salvage/Junk

Rebuilt/Reconstructed

Dismantled

Fire/Flood/Hail

Canadian Total Loss
Exceeds Mechanical Limits

Not Actual Mileage
Manufacturer Buyback


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[andyray1983]

this sounds like a pretty good deal. A clean, low-mileage NSX in that price range is pretty tough to come by...

 

[clr1024]

but what does exempt from mileage mean?

Thanks,

Carl

 

[DocL]

but what does exempt from mileage mean?

Thanks,

Carl

In Florida, once a car becomes more than 10 years old, I think it is no longer necessary to have the mileage recorded for the DMV. I found this out when I went to register a motorcycle that was more than 10 years old at one time and I was also quite suprised. Also, certian counties in Florida no longer require an annual inspection.

I wouldn't worry to much about it. As long as the car has it's service records and you can verify the actual mileage it's no big deal.

Good luck. It sounds like a good deal.

 

[clr1024]

Well it looks like I might not get the car the seller has a buyer willing to pay asking price(cash) without doing the mechanical inspection. Something I want done prior to buying. I guess I see his point as the seller...just sucks for me...oh well back to the drawing board....did say if it falls through he will let me know...don't have that kind of luck though.

 

[nsxtasy]

Not a surprise...

The way you have left it, he can turn around and sell it to someone else.

If you are serious about this car - to the extent that you would feel bad if someone else bought it - then I would suggest that you and he sign a simple contract that you can write yourself (containing a clause saying that it's contingent on First Class not finding any undisclosed problems), and that you give him a deposit (that the contract specifies is refundable if First Class DOES find problems and you decide to back out as a result). Otherwise, you could lose it.

I don't know the seller or the car, but this advice generally holds true for anyone who thinks he's found the car and doesn't want to let it slip through his hands.

 

[clr1024]

I kind of knew you would say that. I tried to contact him after I drove it friday, to make a contract similar to the one you said above. He went out of town that day and I couldn't get a hold of him. So today was the first day I managed to talk to him. Apparantly someone test drove it an hour after me and offered him cash for his asking price. Deal is still pending, but I don't have my hopes up.

Such is life...