Apple doctors photo evidence of lawsuit against Samsung

Jack Sparrow · 22 August 2011

s14_tat said:
That could be said for any phone. That is the natural direction of progression in technology. Again, apple is discouraging innovation through competition. What would you want your touch screen phone to look like? A triangle maybe?

colslaw87 said:
It's very hard to create new and innovative design when the technology inside these devices drives size and form factor. In all markets, whether it be mobile devices, tablets/slates, televisions...the biggest selling points are size/clarity of screens and size! Thin is in, and with form following function, there's not much room for design differentiation.

Apple just happens to introduce competitive products before other companies. If Samsung, HTC and Motorola want to be competitive, they have to use similar internal components.

Apple seems to always think they "own" innovation. I'm starting to get sick of it

Natural progression? Too difficult to be innovative? Are you guys serious? Apple innovates far more than Google. Just look at Google's 3rd attempt into social networking with Google+. It's a direct copy of Facebook. Competition is great but not when you are plainly stealing the intellectual property of those who have spent millions of dollars & hours doing R&D on new products. Why else do you think counterfeit Nike's get pulled off the market?

Aside from their search, maps, and email, Google hasn't innovated anything in a while.

colslaw87 · 22 August 2011

Jack Sparrow said:
Natural progression? Too difficult to be innovative? Are you guys serious? Apple innovates far more than Google. Just look at Google's 3rd attempt into social networking with Google+. It's a direct copy of Facebook. Competition is great but not when you are plainly stealing the intellectual property of those who have spent millions of dollars & hours doing R&D on new products. Why else do you think counterfeit Nike's get pulled off the market?

Aside from their search, maps, and email, Google hasn't innovated anything in a while.

Don't get me wrong...Apple is an amazing innovator. All other companies strive to create designs as successfully executed as Apple's devices. From a design perspective, nothing compares to Apple's attention to detail.

I'm saying, now that the size of components are driving design...it's hard to differentiate physically.

Jack Sparrow · 23 August 2011

colslaw87 said:
Don't get me wrong...Apple is an amazing innovator. All other companies strive to create designs as successfully executed as Apple's devices. From a design perspective, nothing compares to Apple's attention to detail.

I'm saying, now that the size of components are driving design...it's hard to differentiate physically.

Apple isn't suing due to similarities in size. The OS, packaging, and UI is a direct copy of the iPhone & iPad. Just look @ the drastic transformation their previous gen phones and tablets undertook.

Jimbo · 23 August 2011

colslaw87 said:
Don't get me wrong...Apple is an amazing innovator. All other companies strive to create designs as successfully executed as Apple's devices. From a design perspective, nothing compares to Apple's attention to detail.

I'm saying, now that the size of components are driving design...it's hard to differentiate physically.

Yeah, but copying is copying. Microsoft Win 7 phone uses similar components and is a similar size to the iPhone. But Microsoft didn't feel the urge to copy Apple's intellectual property. Same with webOS. Apple is suing Samsung because the copying was too close - otherwise known as infringement. If Palm and Microsoft could find a way to innovate without stealing from Apple why couldn't Google and Samsung? Heck, Google even stole from Oracle too. So much for "do no evil".

Jimbo · 23 August 2011

http://macdailynews.com/2011/08/23/...ovie-as-prior-art-against-ipad-design-patent/

Whew. Samsung is really desparate. So, following their logic Gene Roddenberry holds the prior art patent for cell-phone communicators, Arthur C Clarke owns satellites and Flash Gordon owns rocket ships.

Hey Samsung... Prior art has to be real products for sale. Not imaginary science fiction.

Furthermore, the monitors that the 2001 astronauts were watching weren't necessarily computers, these were just showing video content from Earth.

s14_tat · 23 August 2011

SMH, even I think that is a lame defense.

Jack Sparrow · 24 August 2011

Netherlands judge rules that Samsung Galaxy S, S II violate Apple patents, bans sales

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/24/netherlands-judge-rules-that-samsung-galaxy-s-s-ii-violate-appl/

http://gizmodo.com/5833924/we-hope-apple-wins-the-patent-wars

lol...any input from the Android faithful?

s14_tat · 25 August 2011

I knew you would post that jack. You know a lot of the patents that apple got are pure bs, and some of them was around before apple even patented it. I honestly did not read through the whole thing, but the one thing that stood out was the photo gallery. So wait? Google is not allowed to have thumbnails in the gallary app so I can choose which photo I want to see? That is pure BS, even digital cameras use this method. Apparently palm pre and palm treo had this before the iphone did, and for the large central home button, the lg parada had it back in 2006.

Apple is definitely out of control. With Jobs gone, Apple will not stand a chance.

Jack Sparrow · 25 August 2011

s14_tat said:
I knew you would post that jack. You know a lot of the patents that apple got are pure bs, and some of them was around before apple even patented it. I honestly did not read through the whole thing, but the one thing that stood out was the photo gallery. So wait? Google is not allowed to have thumbnails in the gallary app so I can choose which photo I want to see? That is pure BS, even digital cameras use this method. Apparently palm pre and palm treo had this before the iphone did, and for the large central home button, the lg parada had it back in 2006.

Apple is definitely out of control. With Jobs gone, Apple will not stand a chance.

No they aren't. If you are the first to incorporate swipe gestures or the layout of your OS, then you should be given a patent on that. Especially when its more intuitive than whatever the next guy is attempt to put out. If WP7 could be different from iOS, why couldn't Google/Android? I'm not going to support laziness and a lack of innovation.

nicholas421 · 26 August 2011

Jack Sparrow said:
Sorry but thats pretty blatant on Samsung's part.

I guess it was a good thing HP failed with the Touchpad or else they would've been next.... notice the rectangular box and the simple packaging.

Jack Sparrow · 13 October 2011

Samsung would never copy Apple....right?

http://www.reddit.com/tb/kr14a

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/12/apple-granted-injunction-against-samsung-in-australia-no-galaxy/

Among the many battlegrounds in the legal spat between Samsung and Apple, the case filed down under has had some of the most action. Just over a week ago, Apple wanted nothing to do with Samsung's attempt to settle the suit. Today, the crowd in Cupertino is glad that they rebuffed Sammy's overtures, because the Federal Court in Australia granted Apple's injunction barring the Galaxy Tab 10.1 from appearing in Aussie stores. That means that Sammy's svelte slate will not be for sale (legally, anyway) in Australia unless it can convince the court that its tablet doesn't infringe Apple's patents at trial. You've won this battle, Apple, time will tell if you win the war.

s14_tat · 13 October 2011

Jack Sparrow said:
Samsung would never copy Apple....right?

http://www.reddit.com/tb/kr14a

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/12/apple-granted-injunction-against-samsung-in-australia-no-galaxy/

I gotta give it to you, based on those links, the similarities are definitely shocking. I wonder why Samsung has to resort to this type of strategy? They make awesome hardware and honeycomb is nothing like IOS to be honest with you.

Gansan · 13 October 2011

s14_tat said:
I gotta give it to you, based on those links, the similarities are definitely shocking. I wonder why Samsung has to resort to this type of strategy? They make awesome hardware and honeycomb is nothing like IOS to be honest with you.

I think part of it must be culture--maybe it's completely fine and acceptable to copy your competitors in some parts of the world. Kind of like the clone Apple stores in China. Even when the copying is super blatant, they probably don't see what's wrong with it (other than the fact that people seem to be holding it against them). But when a company is global, local and global cultures can clash. What's unfortunate is the Samsung designers probably just did what their bosses wanted--even though they are fully capable to making pretty awesome designs on their own.

Jack Sparrow · 13 October 2011

s14_tat said:
I gotta give it to you, based on those links, the similarities are definitely shocking. I wonder why Samsung has to resort to this type of strategy? They make awesome hardware and honeycomb is nothing like IOS to be honest with you.

Some of the gestures are the same but generally it is different (Honeycomb vs iOS). What I find funny is how Google touted their Honeycomb OS as the only OS for tablets, since it was specifically designed for tabs yet now have ditched that design and will be releasing Ice Cream Sandwich which is the same concept as iOS (one operating system for both smartphone & tablet).

Gansan said:
I think part of it must be culture--maybe it's completely fine and acceptable to copy your competitors in some parts of the world. Kind of like the clone Apple stores in China. Even when the copying is super blatant, they probably don't see what's wrong with it (other than the fact that people seem to be holding it against them). But when a company is global, local and global cultures can clash. What's unfortunate is the Samsung designers probably just did what their bosses wanted--even though they are fully capable to making pretty awesome designs on their own.

This but I also think there was blatant disregard for patent laws & an attitude of invincibility that allowed top management to make such horrible moves.

liftnot · 14 October 2011

Jack Sparrow said:
This but I also think there was blatant disregard for patent laws & an attitude of invincibility that allowed top management to make such horrible moves.

:biggrin:you think like an american. In asia, its call "fast-track to profit", a smart way to make billions so why invent when you can copy. They do not enforce this kinds of law. Google Foxconn factory, this is one of many examples. If you drop out of school (ie, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs...etc), the society will tell you are not smart so you'll be selling noodles for the rest of your life.(not that is anything wrong with it) Do not think outside the box or you'll embarrass your boss when you fail the first time.
Its a culture thing. What has the Chinese invent since paper, gunpowder, and printing? Pretty soon they are buying us out.

Jack Sparrow · 17 October 2011

ITC judge rules that Apple does not infringe on HTC patents

http://www.bgr.com/2011/10/17/judge-apple-does-not-infringe-on-htc-patents/

A judge with the United States International Trade Commission has ruled that Apple is not infringing on four of HTC’s patents related to phone dialing and battery power management, Reuters said Monday. HTC originally filed the lawsuit in May of last year when it sought a ban on the import of Apple’s iPhone, iPad and iPod touch. The final ruling in the case will occur in February when the verdict of a full commission is revealed. Apple and HTC have been locked in a number of legal battles. Apple first sued HTC in March and a U.S. ITC judge found HTC guilty of infringing on two of Apple’s patents in July. HTC has said it will appeal that ruling.

lol...another blow to Android.

PoohBEAR · 18 October 2011

so the life of samsung phone should end soon? and i was thinking of getting a samsung galaxy phone.

s14_tat · 18 October 2011