Any Potenza S0-4 experiences

i use the mnemonic (memory) device emu (like the bird) to remember the tire rack categories in order from the top down:

extreme performance is the highest category,
max is next,
ultra high is next.

that's about as far as you want to go on an nsx,the first two are where i shop.i think as cars got faster they had to come up with new names that didn't necessarily sound higher performance than the old names.wonder if there's a category for veyrons?
 
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Okay, to answer the OP's question...The S-04 is the predecessor to the RE050A. The predecessor to the S-03 was the RE01R, which has no been replaced by the RE-11, which I run on my car and love it to death. It has an asymmetrical cavity design to give more consistent contact pressure across the WHOLE tread under heavy cornering unlike it's successors, and it's 3D tread grooves are the exact same technology you will find on the Bridgestone F1 rain tires. They're extremely effective in wet weather, even once your tread is half worn out. When the grooves are worn flat, the amazing wet traction goes away, but even with the inner part of the tread gone, if the outer portion is still there, the tire will still work in the rain. It's pretty impressive. The S-04 has a highly enriched silica compound which helps the rubber become more flexible when wet and therefore provide better wet traction, and features a deeply implanted center circumferential groove that has a more dense reinforced rubber compound to provide better steering response and stability, especially in corners.

Now, there are some terms and specs being thrown around that I don't think people realize can be mixed up...namely the UTQG rating given by the manufacturer. Most people don't realize that you can't accurately compare those ratings across brands. The Dunlop Star Spec 200 A A rating can't be directly compared to the Bridgestone RE-11's 180 A A because those ratings are assigned by the manufacturer of said tire and can only be accurately compared to other tires within the same brand. The most important thing to keep in mind is that the lower that number, the stickier the rubber. The "AA" or "A" or (hopefully not on your NSX) "B" or "C" traction ratings and temperature ratings are on wet courses, with the ONLY constant factor being that the course has to be approved by the government, everything else about the UTQG ratings is totally up to whoever produces the tire.

The S-04 falls under the "Ultra High Performance Summer" category and carries a UTQG rating of 280 AA A, while the RE-11 falls under the "Extreme Performance Summer" category and carries a UTQG rating of 180 A A.

All RE-11 Sizes can be found here:
http://www.bridgestonetire.com/productdetails/quicksearch/potenza_re-11

And all S-04 sizes can be found here:
http://www.bridgestonetire.com/productdetails/quicksearch/potenza_s-04_pole_position

So, for the OP, if it's a very sticky tire you're looking for, you'll love the RE-11. If you treat them well, you'll be able to get around 18-20,000 miles out of them, depending on your alignment. They're very quiet on the highway, as well.

If you're wanting a tire that will last you longer without compromising a great deal of traction, I think that the S-04 would be a great fit as well.

It depends mostly on your style of driving as to which direction I would advise you from there, but I have RE-11's for a reason. ;)
 
Wow, that's a lot of erroneous information in one post.

The S-04 is the predecessor to the RE050A. The predecessor to the S-03 was the RE01R, which has no been replaced by the RE-11
Wrong, wrong, wrong. The S-03 Pole Position was the predecessor to the RE050A Pole Position, and the RE050A Pole Position was the predecessor to the S-04 Pole Position.

The RE-01R has been replaced by the RE-11. Both are considered "extreme performance summer tires", whereas the S-03, RE050A, and S-04 are "maximum performance summer tires", which will last longer than the extreme tires but won't grip as well. Bridgestone sells extreme performance tires side by side with the maximum performance tires, because they have different purposes. A tire of one type is not replaced by the other.

The most important thing to keep in mind is that the lower that number, the stickier the rubber.
Absolutely NOT true. Treadwear ratings have nothing to do with grip.

So, for the OP, if it's a very sticky tire you're looking for, you'll love the RE-11. If you treat them well, you'll be able to get around 18-20,000 miles out of them, depending on your alignment.
There's absolutely NO WAY you'll get that many miles on the rear of an NSX. Not with the RE-11. You'd be lucky to get half that many.
 
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Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Look, I'm not here to ruffle any feathers, but I happen to work for Bridgestone and alignments and UHP (Ultra High Performance) tires happen to be my specialty.

I might be wrong about the mileage you'd get out of the RE-11's on an NSX, but that's what I get out of them on my S2000, and I have a more aggressive alignment than most stock NSX owners run.

Absolutely NOT true. Treadwear ratings have nothing to do with grip.

As for this statement, I'd like to know how you figure? It speaks directly to how hard or soft the rubber is. The softer it is, the faster it will wear...hence the term "Treadwear". Subsequently the softer it is the better grip you should get. (Again, depending on your alignment...if your car is set up like crap, the tire can only do so much.)

All that jazz about what tire came before what is really pretty irrelevant because the question was about the S-04, which I think is a great tire, and I would probably run on an NSX if you want a good tire that will last for a while. The RE-11 will provide better grip, and will wear much faster. So, once again, it depends on what you plan to do with the car as to which tire I'd buy for it.
 
As for this statement, I'd like to know how you figure? It speaks directly to how hard or soft the rubber is. The softer it is, the faster it will wear...hence the term "Treadwear".
True, but as you say, it is designed ONLY to measure how fast the tire wears, not how well it grips. They are generally correlated, but there are also plenty of exceptions where a tire with a higher treadwear number grips better than one with a lower one. For example, the stock NSX Bridgestone tires (RE010 for the '91-01, RE040 for the '02-05) carry a treadwear rating of 120 or 140. They provide a terrifically crisp handling "feel", thanks to numerous features such as their optimization for specific corners of the car. But do they provide significantly more grip than the extreme performance RE-11 with its treadwear rating of 180? Methinks not.
 
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Look, I'm not here to ruffle any feathers, but I happen to work for Bridgestone and alignments and UHP (Ultra High Performance) tires happen to be my specialty.

so what will it take to get the size i need made for my fronts in the s0-4????? :biggrin:
 
True, but as you say, it is designed ONLY to measure how fast the tire wears, not how well it grips. They are generally correlated, but there are also plenty of exceptions where a tire with a higher treadwear number grips better than one with a lower one. For example, the stock NSX Bridgestone tires (RE010 for the '91-01, RE040 for the '02-05) carry a treadwear rating of 120 or 140. They provide a terrifically crisp handling "feel", thanks to numerous features such as their optimization for specific corners of the car. But do they provide significantly more grip than the extreme performance RE-11 with its treadwear rating of 180? Methinks not.

Right you are...let's not forget that technology has come a long way since then, though. Once more, the asymmetrical cavity design and a few other factors of the tires' construction help pave the way for much better grip and response when compared to the tires of yesteryear. ;)


so what will it take to get the size i need made for my fronts in the s0-4????? :biggrin:

What size are they now?
 
I want the 215/40-17.

Because the S-04 isn't produced in that size I can't do anything for you there, but it is, however, produced in a 205/45R17, which may or may not be an option for you. nsxtacy can probably help us on that.

The overall rolling diameter of the 215/40 is 23.8"
The overall rolling diameter of the 205/45 is 24.3"

So, I don't know if that percentage of difference will work, but if it does, then that might be do-able
 
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Ken says they'll rub. I just as soon stil with what's on my car currently. As was discussed here and other threads, there are other options, just not Bridgestone brand.
 
Sorry to hear it. Good luck in your search.
 
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