Am I wrong here?

[Shumdit]

On Sunday I get a PM from another member at home, seen here:
Shumdit, my son is 17 and one to the top ATV riders here on the East Coast. He does alot of freestyle stuff and rides in most National events. I can send you his resume and pics if you are interested in sponsoring him with any kind of help at all. Couple more years and he will be pro no doubt. His name is Cameron M****** , good, hard working, clean cut kid. Any help would be gratly appreciated. Thanks, Mike
P.S. Just noticed your avatar and thought I would give you a shout. Thanks, and all the riding he does and friends he has he will get your name out there

Being as how I am off work, and do not like to deal with these things on my day off (not to mention I am not going to call my partner who was in Atlanta with his wife and child to ask him about it on a Holiday weekend) I decide to print the PM and bring it to work with me today (since Monday was labor day). We are busier than usual due to the orders that were placed online over the weekend, so we have been covered up with phone calls and shipping (have not even had lunch yet at nearly 4:00!). I get an email saying I have a PM so I check it (want to make sure it's not about some wheels I bought last week on Prime) and this is the PM I get from the same person:

Thanks alot for a response of any kind. I'll be sure no one we know will EVER buy anything from your company. You could have said your not interestest or go F myself. Any response is better than no response. Sorry to bother you!

Am I slack in not answering this guy immediately? I guess I could have PM'ed him back ,but I could not give him an answer, and again, I feel like Sundays are my day to do what I want with my family or friends, and answering him with a "let me get back to you was not high on this list of must-do's"
I am just wondering if I am misguided about this.

 

[fannsx]

On Sunday I get a PM from another member at home, seen here:
Shumdit, my son is 17 and one to the top ATV riders here on the East Coast. He does alot of freestyle stuff and rides in most National events. I can send you his resume and pics if you are interested in sponsoring him with any kind of help at all. Couple more years and he will be pro no doubt. His name is Cameron M****** , good, hard working, clean cut kid. Any help would be gratly appreciated. Thanks, Mike
P.S. Just noticed your avatar and thought I would give you a shout. Thanks, and all the riding he does and friends he has he will get your name out there

Being as how I am off work, and do not like to deal with these things on my day off (not to mention I am not going to call my partner who was in Atlanta with his wife and child to ask him about it on a Holiday weekend) I decide to print the PM and bring it to work with me today (since Monday was labor day). We are busier than usual due to the orders that were placed online over the weekend, so we have been covered up with phone calls and shipping (have not even had lunch yet at nearly 4:00!). I get an email saying I have a PM so I check it (want to make sure it's not about some wheels I bought last week on Prime) and this is the PM I get from the same person:

Thanks alot for a response of any kind. I'll be sure no one we know will EVER buy anything from your company. You could have said your not interestest or go F myself. Any response is better than no response. Sorry to bother you!

Am I slack in not answering this guy immediately? I guess I could have PM'ed him back ,but I could not give him an answer, and again, I feel like Sundays are my day to do what I want with my family or friends, and answering him with a "let me get back to you was not high on this list of must-do's"
I am just wondering if I am misguided about this.

NO!

 

[SilverStone05]

That was quite rude. It's a shame that person just ruined his son's chance for sponsorship by opening his gab too soon.

What a presumptuous thing to say to you considering the circumstances.

 

[queenlives]

On Sunday I get a PM from another member at home, seen here:
Shumdit, my son is 17 and one to the top ATV riders here on the East Coast. He does alot of freestyle stuff and rides in most National events. I can send you his resume and pics if you are interested in sponsoring him with any kind of help at all. Couple more years and he will be pro no doubt. His name is Cameron M****** , good, hard working, clean cut kid. Any help would be gratly appreciated. Thanks, Mike
P.S. Just noticed your avatar and thought I would give you a shout. Thanks, and all the riding he does and friends he has he will get your name out there

Being as how I am off work, and do not like to deal with these things on my day off (not to mention I am not going to call my partner who was in Atlanta with his wife and child to ask him about it on a Holiday weekend) I decide to print the PM and bring it to work with me today (since Monday was labor day). We are busier than usual due to the orders that were placed online over the weekend, so we have been covered up with phone calls and shipping (have not even had lunch yet at nearly 4:00!). I get an email saying I have a PM so I check it (want to make sure it's not about some wheels I bought last week on Prime) and this is the PM I get from the same person:

Thanks alot for a response of any kind. I'll be sure no one we know will EVER buy anything from your company. You could have said your not interestest or go F myself. Any response is better than no response. Sorry to bother you!

Am I slack in not answering this guy immediately? I guess I could have PM'ed him back ,but I could not give him an answer, and again, I feel like Sundays are my day to do what I want with my family or friends, and answering him with a "let me get back to you was not high on this list of must-do's"
I am just wondering if I am misguided about this.

i'm with you - just because i may be contacted via email/pm... *whatever* does not mean i'm responsible for returning the email/solicitation the next time i log on. since this was an unsolicited solicitation (huh? , i would not feel compelled to respond until i was ready. unfortunately, one of the reasons he may be sensitive is (1) he was asking for $'s (2) the request was for his son - the combination may have him wound a bit more tightly than he is normally.

otoh, the guy may just be a congenital idiot and you a psychic for avoiding him

 

[MiamiMermaid]

That was quite rude (of the pm'er). It's a shame that person just ruined his son's chance for sponsorship by opening his gab too soon.

What a presumptuous thing to say to you considering the circumstances.

Agree 110% with SilverStone *~

 

[steveny]

Sometimes I do not answer PM's for days or even weeks. there is only so many hours in a day.

 

[White92]

Sometimes I do not answer PM's for days or even weeks. there is only so many hours in a day.

I don't think you were in the wrong at all. By the way, I don't ride, but can you sponser me? I'll expect a response in the next 14 minutes, 23 seconds. Don't be a dick and ignor me! :biggrin:

I had a similar experience with a fellow Prime member not too long ago. I pm'd him and it took over a week to get a response. When he finally did respond, the jerk gave me some story that he was gone on his honeymoon! :biggrin:

 

[Shumdit]

I am wondering if the guy is having a bad day, because some of his posts that I read seem pretty normal. Who knows! And MR WHITE THE ANSWER IS A BIG NO! :wink:

 

[NSXLNT]

I'm in a service business. I rarely return calls or emails in less than 24hours, unless it is an emergency. If I get a message over the weekend, I almost always wait until Monday morning to return it. This guy was way out of place for being so rude and impatient, especially since he was asking you for money.

 

[White92]

I am wondering if the guy is having a bad day, because some of his posts that I read seem pretty normal. Who knows! And MR WHITE THE ANSWER IS A BIG NO! :wink:

Well, as long as you address me as "Mr.White" that's ok.

Maybe the normal post is from his son who is more mature?

He also said that he son has not turned Pro and won't for a couple of more years. What's the hurry to get sponsorship if this won't even happen for a couple of more years? I think it could've waited a few more days at least.

 

[steveny]

I don't think you were in the wrong at all. By the way, I don't ride, but can you sponser me? I'll expect a response in the next 14 minutes, 23 seconds. Don't be a dick and ignor me! :biggrin:

I had a similar experience with a fellow Prime member not too long ago. I pm'd him and it took over a week to get a response. When he finally did respond, the jerk gave me some story that he was gone on his honeymoon! :biggrin:

See how people are! Just because the A-hole was on his honeymoon does not give him permission to ignore emails or PM's, even if he did get to a PC and then realize he did not have his prime password.

 

[White92]

See how people are! Just because the A-hole was on his honeymoon does not give him permission to ignore emails or PM's, even if he did get to a PC and then realize he did not have his prime password.

The nerve of some people! I remember my Prime sign on and password in case of emergency, but ask me my SSN and I have no idea! It's all about priorities..... :smile:

 

[White92]

Just curious. Did you ever PM him back or is this thread his response? I wonder what it would be like to enter into an agreement to sponsor his son and then find out that you have to deal with his dad like this down the road. Better to find out now than later.

 

[queenlives]

Just curious. Did you ever PM him back or is this thread his response? I wonder what it would be like to enter into an agreement to sponsor his son and then find out that you have to deal with his dad like this down the road. Better to find out now than later.

yup, i think shumdit's psychic :tongue:

 

[White92]

yup, i think shumdit's psychic :tongue:

Maybe someone sponsored him while he attended Ms. Cloe's School of Psychics? :smile:

 

[FDNewbie]

Sometimes I do not answer PM's for days or even weeks. there is only so many hours in a day.

Not to call you out, but I think that's the problem right there. I make it a point to respond to PMs within a day or two, and if it's something that's going to require some time, or I'm simply way too busy to address it at the moment, I simply take 30 seconds to PM the guy back and say "Hello XXXX, I just wanted to let you know that at the present time my time is very tight, so I haven't had a moment to respond to your PM. I just wanted to let you know that I did indeed read it, and I'm not ignoring you...I will just need a few days to get on top of things before giving your PM it's due response.

Thanks for your understanding
Me"

That's what I do for everyone, and honestly, I expect it back. I get VERY peeved when I PM someone and they don't respond at all, because I personally think it's completely disrespectful. It's like someone calling you and leaving you a voicemail and you never return their call. Ppl deserve a response, even if it's a short "I'll get back to you" response. Just something to acknowledge their inquiry. And in fact, many a time when I've PMed ppl back w/ the response I mentioned above, I get such pleasant responses, ppl expressing their great appreciation that I went out of my way when so busy to let them know they weren't being ignored. It's the little things that go such a long way...and it's also the little things that kill. So yea, I think it's 100% wrong to leave ppl for several days w/o responding to them in any way, shape, or form, esp. when some forums have read receipts, so they KNOW you read it. I just think it's poor manners/etiquette IMO.

Shumdit, as for your specific case, I think a) an adult (the father) should be a lot more patient and professional than that, b) he should expect a delay on a holiday weekend, when many ppl may be playing catchup or even going out of town, and c) it's only been 2 days. So I wouldn't blame you a bit. My response above was more of a general statement, but I don't think you were wrong at all. Now if Wednesday evening rolled around and still no reply, I may be of a different opinion at that point :wink:

 

[White92]

I agree. Try to respond as soon as possible. But you have to understand that not everyone that's a memeber of Prime is on here 24/7. It might seem like it sometimes, but there are those who only visit every once in awhile.

For example, Shumdit who started this thread has been a member since 4-20-03 and "only" has 488 posts. That's only .56 posts per day.

Another friend of mine joined 4+ years ago to sell some parts and hasn't been back since, but he's still listed as a member. If someone were to PM him, he wouldn't get a response at all.

 

[queenlives]

Not to call you out, but I think that's the problem right there. I make it a point to respond to PMs within a day or two, and if it's something that's going to require some time, or I'm simply way too busy to address it at the moment, I simply take 30 seconds to PM the guy back and say "Hello XXXX, I just wanted to let you know that at the present time my time is very tight, so I haven't had a moment to respond to your PM. I just wanted to let you know that I did indeed read it, and I'm not ignoring you...I will just need a few days to get on top of things before giving your PM it's due response.

Thanks for your understanding
Me"

That's what I do for everyone, and honestly, I expect it back. I get VERY peeved when I PM someone and they don't respond at all, because I personally think it's completely disrespectful. It's like someone calling you and leaving you a voicemail and you never return their call. Ppl deserve a response, even if it's a short "I'll get back to you" response. Just something to acknowledge their inquiry. And in fact, many a time when I've PMed ppl back w/ the response I mentioned above, I get such pleasant responses, ppl expressing their great appreciation that I went out of my way when so busy to let them know they weren't being ignored. It's the little things that go such a long way...and it's also the little things that kill. So yea, I think it's 100% wrong to leave ppl for several days w/o responding to them in any way, shape, or form, esp. when some forums have read receipts, so they KNOW you read it. I just think it's poor manners/etiquette IMO.

Shumdit, as for your specific case, I think a) an adult (the father) should be a lot more patient and professional than that, b) he should expect a delay on a holiday weekend, when many ppl may be playing catchup or even going out of town, and c) it's only been 2 days. So I wouldn't blame you a bit. My response above was more of a general statement, but I don't think you were wrong at all. Now if Wednesday evening rolled around and still no reply, I may be of a different opinion at that point :wink:

i think it's great you've got enough time/tolerance to respond to anyone who can pound a keyboard or dial your phone number. not all of us do - or want to. personally, i don't view it as a matter of manners, but prioritizing my available time. i think it's entirely reasonable to respond at your leisure, especially if the originating pm/mail/phone call was unsolicited.

 

[White92]

Unsolicited? What are you talking about? Shumdit has a picture of a guy 4-wheeling for his avatar. That obviously means he has money to throw at sponsorships and wants to give it away. :biggrin:

 

[queenlives]

Unsolicited? What are you talking about? Shumdit has a picture of a guy 4-wheeling for his avatar. That obviously means he has money to throw at sponsorships and wants to give it away. :biggrin:

i stand corrected!

having said that - just to set the record straight - i am not a deceased, gay rock star.

 

[FDNewbie]

I agree. Try to respond as soon as possible. But you have to understand that not everyone that's a memeber of Prime is on here 24/7. It might seem like it sometimes, but there are those who only visit every once in awhile.

Understood. I haven't PMed yet on this forum, so I dunno if you have PM read receipts, which I think come in handy in that particular situation.

Also, some ppl (who are really persistant) go and check the user profile of the person they PMed, and when it says "last activity..." and shows he was on after they PMed him, and still no reply... I think you see my point, and I see yours as well.

i think it's entirely reasonable to respond at your leisure, especially if the originating pm/mail/phone call was unsolicited.

Well I'll agree to disagree w/ you on this one. I personally think that responding only when you solicited it is kinda...well...shallow if you don't mind me saying. That, and if the other guy has the same mindset as yourself, why would he bother answering your PM, when to HIM it was unsolicited? :wink:

 

[evof575gtc]

Unbelieveable!

 

[ceeya32]

The guy certainly has time to bad mouth me here! He is always on Prime .How hard is it to respond right when you read the message. He certainly had plenty of time to repond to Miami Mermaids post. He could have told me not to bother him and I'd be cool with that! Was just looking for some tires or someting at cost and I would put his decals on are rig and Quad. Thanks Mike P. S. I just PMed Larry B and he got back to me within a hour. Thanks, Lar

 

[Shumdit]

This was my original response to the second (nasty) PM from him:
Well, I am not certain when you sent the first PM, but I read it on Sunday morning from home, as I was checking my email (and the NSX prime private messages email my personal email account). Seeing as how we were closed then and yesterday since it was a holiday, it was not feasible to give you any yes or no answer, nor do I like to handle work related issues on my days off. I had printed the PM to discuss it with the other owner of the company today, but we have not done so due to the fact that we are very busy with shipping online orders from over the holiday weekend. I will say that your latest message pretty much tells me the right thing to do. Thanks for your comments, and I would suggest you exercise a little patience, especially when you come to someone with your hand out. This is my personal opinion of course, but I think anyone who reads your message would agree your reaction was immature and uncalled for.

Then he PM'ed me back to say (this was after I started this thread):
You could of just said I'll get back to you. I see that you are on this site as much as I am. Maybe you should consider changing you avatar if you don't want tomix business with home. Sorry for my lack of patience, it is not one of better virtues, Thanks, Mike

So, I said back to him:
Mike,
The fact that I chose not to answer on Sunday is not really of concern to you I would think. You are correct that I could have replied, but if I was trying to get through the emails before I went on to something else, it's my right to answer the ones that are work related on company time. Thre choice of my avatar is due to the fact that it is my company that I, with a partner, built from scratch 5 years ago, and it means a lot to me, but that does not mean I work the job 25 hours a day. I did not put the avatar there as a means of advertising, nor do I conduct business on Prime related to ATV Outfitters.

I know it is a little harsh on my part, but obviously I took some offense at the difference in tone from PM # 1 to PM#2

 

[nsxtasy]

I know it is a little harsh on my part

That's the first thing you've said that I disagree with. I thought your reply was polite and respectful - quite the opposite of the second PM you received. Kudos for you; it's extremely difficult to be polite when someone is in your face, acting like a jerk.