Acura NSX NA2 vs Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06

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EFE Z06 said:
Interesting reading!

Automobile user ratings for all cars. Just click on the brand and then the model, ratings posted by owners as well as experts.

http://autos.msn.com/sitemap/manufacturers.aspx

2005 Corvette - First year of C6
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/overview.aspx?year=2005&make=Chevrolet&model=Corvette

2005 NSX - Last year of NSX
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/overview.aspx?year=2005&make=Acura&model=NSX

EFE Z06
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Owners? Experts??? it's comedy over there. Obviously most of the responses are from haters. Here is one of the "owners", it's pretty funny actually:

Pros:
Everything. I love this car. What I like most is uh... I read a review in Car and Driver and they liked it better than the corvette. According to them, the corvette will get you from point A to point B faster, break harder and out handle the NSX. Like them, these small points mean nothing in the end. I only wish I spent more because then I could lose more.


Cons:
Nothing. I love this car. I am so happy that I did not buy a corvette. You may ask why after you realize that the corvette will outperform it in every category, cost much less, and retain more of its value. Well, you can't reason such things, you have to feel it. Someone offered me $0 for it as long as I pay the shipping. But I will never sell my baby. I love seeing corvette tailights and children waiving from the back seats of M5's.


Overall Review:
An interesting story here. I was at the track and this guy pulls up in an M5 with his family in the car. He revs the engine like he wants to race. Well after he lapped me, I told him to read the review in car and driver or some such rag and then we will see who has the last laugh. If you want to pay more for less performance but still have that boy racer look and feel, then you need this car. Forget the corvette - performance and price mean nothing in a sports car. In short if you want to lose lots of money, do not care about performance and have that boy racer attitude, then you must have this car.


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"For all you "10-10-10-10-10 raters out there - have a little of this!"
2005 Acura NSX 3.2 6-Spd MT
03/10/2005
By: sonoluminescence
Owned: Less than 1 year
Review ID: #464474
2.7 Overall Rating

3 Styling
5 Performance
3 Interior
4 Quality
1 Recommendation



Pros:
The Typical Honda Fanboi, of course, loves it.


Cons:
It's a "me too" with a heavy price tag. More accurately, it's a "never has been".


Overall Review:
Seems like a waste of money to me. Get something like an M3, that might actually 1) be enjoyable to drive, and 2) be worth something 5 minutes after you bought it. A bit off-topic, but these days I see Japanese cars being flatbedded just as much as the American so-called "dreck" these days. The quality "gap" is more and more a figment of peoples' imagination -- especially for the automobile media.
 
BTW, we liked the Z06 so much we made it a COTM at our website a few months back.

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Please allow me... Add some fuel to fire...

If you love C6Z06 so much, why do you have to re-confirm your trust in that car's ability on a NSX Forum?!!! You don't see NSX owners go to another car forum cause problems like you. If that's your way of showing off... GET A LIFE!!!:wink: :wink: :wink: You have a monsterous car, but at the end of the day, it is still a Chevy!!! All they are good at... Loose billions of dollars builting cars no one want and NASCAR:eek: :eek: :eek: :biggrin: !!!

But we love ya any wayzzza, because GOOD free entertainment is hard to come by now-a-dayzzzza:smile: :smile: :smile:

Hey, NICE CAR, TOO BAD I WILL NEVER BUY ONE. Leaf Spring ox trailer:cool:
 
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AutoVation said:
Owners? Experts??? it's comedy over there. Obviously most of the responses are from haters. Here is one of the "owners", it's pretty funny actually:

"Seems like a waste of money to me. Get something like an M3, that might actually 1) be enjoyable to drive, and 2) be worth something 5 minutes after you bought it. A bit off-topic, but these days I see Japanese cars being flatbedded just as much as the American so-called "dreck" these days. The quality "gap" is more and more a figment of peoples' imagination -- especially for the automobile media."
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Ha! I love it.

I knew I should have bought an M3...my NSX isn't worth a penny and sucks to drive.

I'm not reading Consumer Reports and JD Power anymore either. They constantly make up crap showing American cars are less reliable than Japanese cars. Figments of their imagination I say!

Look out on the road...look at all the 1980s Japanese cars being flatbedded. And look at all the 1990s/2000s American cars being flatbedded. Yep, about the same number. Hmm, don't see too many 1980s American cars on the road at all...

Seriously, who would waste one second of their time posting anything on sites like this? Get a life.
 
Z06 owns make the arguement that their car can keep up with 300-400k cars. Leaf springs and all. What if the guys at chevy ACTUALLY did something right like put in a real suspension? Only one reason corvettes can hang is because of pure brute force. Not because "leaf springs work". A 900 HP hatchback civic could probably beat an NSX around a track, or even a Z06. Horsepower isn't everything. What the NSX doesn't have in brute force it makes up for in finesse. The look of the NSX is timeless. How many times has it been changed in the last 16 or so years compared to the corvette?

The corvette demands respect on the track, but it's only recently got to that point. Out of the box back in '91, the NSX was already in the pack with the "kings of the road". Yes it's sad the NSX was never updated with more power, but that was never Honda's goal with the car. The car was perfect for what it was built to do. The corvette is great at what it was built to do. Go fast at a cheap price. The corvette is mass produced, the NSX was limited production hand built. You'll never get that kind of craftsmanship out of a corvette. And it shows.

The NSX forced Ferrari to go back to the drawing boards. The NSX came out of no where and killed the 348 which is what it was built to compete with. Ferrari had to answer back with the 355.

Last I check chevy has never made ferrari lose sleep.

BTW I dont own an NSX so I maybe TOTALLY wrong.
 
True car enthusiasts don't need to tear down other vehicles in order to make theirs appear better. There are many on this forum that I would consider fanboys and not true car enthusiasts.

The Z06 is a phenomenal automobile. The transverse leaf springs are not a problem at all if you take the time to read about and understand them and why they are not equivalent to the leaf springs on a Tacoma or "oxcart". When properly engineered, they can be an excellent design solution. And clearly, the proof is in the pudding when you look at the handling of the car. If you also want to harp on outdated technology, how about a radio antenna on a 2005 car? How about no CD (much less a 6 disc changer!) in the cabin?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=transverse+leaf+spring
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvette_leaf_springs

Let me pre-emptively address the following posts from fanboys far and wide.

"The Corvette is only good if you are interested in 0-60 acceleration". Obviously not true; the Z06 is much faster around the Nurburgring than the NSX and also has the same lap time in Top Gear as a Porsche 911 GT3.

"The Corvette's interior is crap". Again, also not true. While the NSX's interior was, and is, excellent, it lacks the technology that the Z06 has. Search around and you can come up with a full list, but off of the top of my head here's what comes to mind: Nav, Satellite Radio, Heads Up Display, 6 disc changer in cabin, etc. etc.

"NSX is hand built". Yes, and the cost of this is probably one of the reasons why the car is no longer produced. The engine of the Z06 is hand built and has the same cherished titanium connecting rods that the NSX does.

"You can't compare the Z06 to the NSX because the NSX is 15 year old technology". Uhhh, why not? Honda was actively selling their car in the marketplace until 2005 and I don't see any problem whatsoever with comparing them. It's not Chevy's fault Honda sat on their ass for 15 years.

"lol watch out for your roof flying off/car not starting/etc." The car is extremely well built. The ratings both by customers (random internet surveys) as well as JD Power support this. The roof appears to have been a production problem that was resolved, much like the snap ring issue on the NSX. The other stories are all one-offs, and for every story like that I'm sure there are 100 perfectly satisfied owners.

Phew, I'm glad I got that out of my system. In short, you are a fanboy if you refuse to acknowledge the strengths of other cars or if you must respond with "But the NSX has this unrelated thing that is better, so I would never buy that!". Recognize and appreciate what different things each car brings to the table.

To quote a recent post by stuntman, GET OVER YOURSELVES!
 
As far as the interior comparison goes, the NSX did have Nav. The JDM version did but why not the US one? Who knows. And a HUD isn't enough to make the interior good in a corvette. I could go put a defi hud in my cheapo car and now say it's just as cool as a corvette's interior. Heck it would probably surpass the corvette's interior. The corvette has more plastic then a tyco car. I sat in my neighbor's. Even he thinks the interior is ridiculously cheap. But he tells me that he didn't buy it for the interior. And I think it's true. No one buy a corvette for anything but it's performance. And that is also it's Achilles heal. The NSX was meant to be a daily driving super car. The corvette is a track day car wrapped in plastic.
 
I'm amazed at how many people on specialty automotive forums can show how big of an idiot they really are. I've always hated being a "member" of specific automotive groups whether it be Corvette, Viper, NSX, Etc.,Etc.! I have owned my fair share of high end specialty cars and everytime I tune in to one of these "my &^% is bigger than your's" threads,I just cringe. I like a very wide variety of cars from huge iron 59 Caddy's to the C6 Z06. I don't try to compare these cars to the NSX or virtually any other marque that wasn't built at or very close to the same point in time. Comparing the new Z06 to the NSX is like taking a BB gun over to Iraq. Completely different animals. I have enjoyed reading this post, but overall it is a disappointment and reafirms why I don't like being part of any organized groups. The gentleman who started this post shows that he is a real automotive enthusiast. I didn't read any NSX bashing in his posts, he just points out what every other magazine has already printed. Many on this board have had very well thought out responses and I applaud those who can understand and appreciate the strengths and weaknesses of both the NSX and Corvettes. Others have just made themselves out to be fools. You know who you are.

I happen to love both the NSX and the Corvettes, especially the "pig ZR-1's". I got a chuckle out of that post. I'd be happy to help him understand what the ZR-1 did for performance cars during its brief production run. I'd put my stock 90 ZR-1 up against a stock 90 NSX at any road course and then we can compare performance notes at the end of the day. I'm shure that on a short road course, the NSX will perform very well, but through in a long road course and the ZR-1 in all it pig heavyness will show what it can do.I still love and appreciate my 98 NSX, but I'm not completely in denial about what it can and can't do.

I know I'm going to get flamed all to hell, but my last comment is as follows. I take both my NSX and ZR-1 to the local car hangouts quite often and I alway get the same questions. How does the NSX compare to the ZR-1. My honest answer is, they really don't compare much. The NSX is truly a very refined automobile, It's just too bad that it never was developed further in the horsepower arena. The car looks so good, yet is lacking in power. The ZR-1 on the other hand is rather plain, but damn does it excite at 7800rpm and 185mph. I love both of them. Wouldn't give either up. Just need to add a Z06 to the collection.

EFE Z06, thank you for your inteligent comments regarding your automobile. It was a pleasure reading your comments and realizing how spot on they are. My best friend has a new Z06 of which I have driven a fair amount and I am going to have one of my own sometime in the future.
 
As long as you are putting down around 350+ horsepower you should be getting a low 12 sec quarter mile. Most Z06's I've seen are doing low 12s. Around a track it goes to the better driver. I think a good Z06 driver can get into the mid 11's.
 
j.r said:
As long as you are putting down around 350+ horsepower you should be getting a low 12 sec quarter mile. Most Z06's I've seen are doing low 12s. Around a track it goes to the better driver. I think a good Z06 driver can get into the mid 11's.
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qtr mile time means nothing around a track. look at the trap speed to get a better indication of the power a car will make around a track.

Stock NSX - 104-107mph
SC NSX - 115-118mph
Stock C6Z06 - 125mph

The two other indicators... weight and brakes.

Weight of a Z06 and NSX is very close... tie with maybe a slight edge to the NSX for weight distribution and a few less lbs.

Brakes... Z06 without question stock brakes vs stock brakes.

Comptech SC'd NSX would need a very good driver and the Z06 would have to be a rookie... and it would need to be a short course.
 
OK, last dumb question on this subject. If a SC NSX does not meet or exceed the performance of the C6 ZO6 what other mods would an NSX owner need to do to be able to compete or exceed the C6?

Steven
 
Steven Allen said:
OK, last dumb question on this subject. If a SC NSX does not meet or exceed the performance of the C6 ZO6 what other mods would an NSX owner need to do to be able to compete or exceed the C6?

Steven
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Pretty sure you already exceed a regular C6 by a long shot.
 
Steven Allen said:
OK, last dumb question on this subject. If a SC NSX does not meet or exceed the performance of the C6 ZO6 what other mods would an NSX owner need to do to be able to compete or exceed the C6?

Steven
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A CTSC NSX will probably still be beaten by a C6 ZO6 but I would wager a hi-boost CTSC NSX-R would be a very close match for a C6 ZO6.

A CTSC NSX-R is a very potent machine. Whp would be very close--the hi-boost CTSC NSX-R coming in around 375-400 and the C6 ZO6 coming in around 400-425. The handling of the NSX-R is going to be equal or better than the ZO6. The NSX-R also weighs 190 kg less.

The CTSC NSX-R is still probably going to lose the 0-60 and 1/4 mile battles but on any track it's going to be right there--even on a long course. Remember, the base NSX-R is as fast as the F360 CS. A CTSC NSX-R is going to be right there with the F430 and maybe even the F430 Scuderia. It's still over 100 kg lighter than the F430 S. While the base F430 is slower than the C6 ZO6 the F430 S will be faster than the C6 ZO6.
 
NSXGMS said:
Whp would be very close--the hi-boost CTSC NSX-R coming in around 375-400 and the C6 ZO6 coming in around 400-425. The handling of the NSX-R is going to be equal or better than the ZO6. The NSX-R also weighs 190 kg less.
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Not quite correct. The rwhp of a stock Z06 averages a low 460 to a high 480HP, most dyno around 475whp! From what I understand the stock NSX is within 50 or so lbs of a 3130lb stock Z06, maybe I'm off, is that correct? Wouldn't the mods on a NSX-R take the weight up to that much? Many Z06 owners experience 1.10 to 1.27 g's through the turns in stock Z06's, does the NSX-R have that capabilities? If so, what size tires does it wear?

Speed Channel Road Test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBNCFfMPT28

Thanks,
EFE Z06
 
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Not quite correct. The rwhp of a stock Z06 averages a low 460 to 480HP, most dyno around 475whp! From what I understand the stock NSX is within 50 or so lbs of a 3130lb stock Z06, maybe I'm off, is that correct? Wouldn't the mods on a NSX-R take the weight up to that much? Many Z06 owners experience 1.10 to 1.27 g's through the turns in stock Z06's, does the NSX-R have that capabilities? If so, what size tires does it wear?

Speed Channel Road Test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBNCFfMPT28

Thanks,
EFE Z06
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Liquid is correct. The NSX-R is over 300lbs lighter than the C6 ZO6. There are no mods. It's stripped down but has a B & B motor and lights-out suspension.

A stock NSX-R will be beaten by an F430 on a track but it's not a runaway. The NSX-R ran ~7:57 at the Nordschleife and the F430 ran a ~7:55. The F360 CS ran a ~7:56 with R-comp tires. A CTSC NSX-R would certainly put up a time well under 7:50 and probably begin to challenge the Z06's ~7:43 time.

The NSX-R can easily pull over 1g on the skidpad. Hugh's NSX with Tein RE suspension, F1 GS-D3 tires and weight reduction pulls well over 1g.

The stock tire sizes for the NSX-R are 215/40-17 and 255/40-17 Bridgestone RE070.

I do believe you are correct in that the C6 ZO6 seems to have much more than the advertised 505 bhp. That is not the first time I have heard this. The ZO6's drivetrain is going to steal no less than 15% of the bhp meaning if the average dyno is 475 whp the average motor is actually putting out at least 560 bhp. :eek:
 
NSXGMS said:
Liquid is correct. The NSX-R is over 300lbs lighter than the C6 ZO6. There are no mods. It's stripped down but has a B & B motor and lights-out suspension.

A stock NSX-R will be beaten by an F430 on a track but it's not a runaway. The NSX-R ran ~7:57 at the Nordschleife and the F430 ran a ~7:55. The F360 CS ran a ~7:56 with R-comp tires. A CTSC NSX-R would certainly put up a time well under 7:50 and probably begin to challenge the Z06's ~7:43 time.

The NSX-R can easily pull over 1g on the skidpad. Hugh's NSX with Tein RE suspension, F1 GS-D3 tires and weight reduction pulls well over 1g.

The stock tire sizes for the NSX-R are 215/40-17 and 255/40-17 Bridgestone RE070.

I do believe you are correct in that the C6 ZO6 seems to have much more than the advertised 505 bhp. That is not the first time I have heard this. The ZO6's drivetrain is going to steal no less than 15% of the bhp meaning if the average dyno is 475 whp the average motor is actually putting out at least 560 bhp. :eek:
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When the LS7 engines were tested, most produced 520 to as high as 540HP, some hit as low as 505HP so they went with the most conservative rating. If readers remember history, the early 427 engines in the C2 and C3 Corvettes were rated by Chevy at 425 to 435HP, but when dyno'ed after delivery they actually produce much more (450 to 500HP), pretty much the same issue here.

Just curious, how much does this super NSX-R cost?

Thanks,
EFE Z06
 
EFE Z06 said:
Not quite correct. The rwhp of a stock Z06 averages a low 460 to 480HP, most dyno around 475whp!

Thanks,
EFE Z06
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I can't believe I am posting on this thread..

BUT - I'm sorry but you are wrong. Even on Corvette forums most of the STOCK Z06's dyno at 440 - 450 RWHP. IIRC, the LG Z06 did the same. Granted - that is a phenomenal # but to say Most dyno at 475 WHP is not accurate.

Besides - I don't think it really matters. It could have 500 or 600 RWHP. Most of us would still prefer the NSX. None of us is denying the performance of the Z06. Its the intangibles were the NSX is more appealing. I have driven a c5z06 and a C6 z06 extensively and I can say that I wouldn't want to get rid of my NSX for that. Heck, I could have easily bought a Z06 a few months ago and drove my friend's car for a hours on 2 separate occasions and at end decided I didn't want it. I bought a GT3 instead. I know I know - I could have bought almost 2 Z06's for the price. There is no denying the fact that the Z06 is a tremendous Bang for the buck. But, their is more to a car then 1/4 mile times, RWHP, and $.

Enjoy your Z06. Its a great car. But I will keep my NSX oh and my GT3. Btw, it has only 415 HP.
 
NSXLuvr said:
I can't believe I am posting on this thread..

BUT - I'm sorry but you are wrong. Even on Corvette forums most of the STOCK Z06's dyno at 440 - 450 RWHP. IIRC, the LG Z06 did the same. Granted - that is a phenomenal # but to say Most dyno at 475 WHP is not accurate.

Besides - I don't think it really matters. It could have 500 or 600 RWHP. Most of us would still prefer the NSX. None of us is denying the performance of the Z06. Its the intangibles were the NSX is more appealing. I have driven a c5z06 and a C6 z06 extensively and I can say that I wouldn't want to get rid of my NSX for that. Heck, I could have easily bought a Z06 a few months ago and drove my friend's car for a hours on 2 separate occasions and at end decided I didn't want it. I bought a GT3 instead. I know I know - I could have bought almost 2 Z06's for the price. There is no denying the fact that the Z06 is a tremendous Bang for the buck. But, their is more to a car then 1/4 mile times, RWHP, and $.

Enjoy your Z06. Its a great car. But I will keep my NSX oh and my GT3. Btw, it has only 415 HP.
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The numbers I quoted are accurate and several personal friends have all dyno'ed in that range before installing their new air intakes and a few other mods!

I keep hearing you guys talk about straight line performance as if that is what I or other Z06 owners harp on, you couldn't be more wrong! I personally don't care that the stock car does 10.9 or 11.7 seconds in the quarter mile as various owners have proven (depending on how well they launch), the factors that make this car exciting are its all around performance and especially road handling capabilities, so I appreciate you all quit making these misleading accusation as if the Z06 is a stop light to stop light drag racer, it's a world class sports car in every sense of the word and out handles most others in every way!

As for posting (as many others have on this site) that you drove and wouldn't buy a Z06 because of this or that reason, I could give a ton of reasons why thousands of sports car owners wouldn't and didn't buy a NSX while it was out! As has been stated over and over and is really getting tiresome hearing it, the Z06 and NSX are two completely different cars. If the original poster wants top notch world class performance and handling, hands down the Z06 blows the NSX out of the water. If he wants a nicer interior and beautiful fit and finish (not that the Z06 is bad because it is not), then go for an NSX, it's all in what his priorities are! To put down the Z06 because it doesn't have something as nice as the NSX is the same reason one can use to say the NSX is lacking in areas of performance compared to the Z06, this argument is useless! You choose your priorities and base your decisions on that!

By the way, if any of you subscribe to Car & Driver Magazine and received the Sept 07 issue, on page 100 you'll find an article and pictures of the new 2008 Corvette with the upgraded all stitched leather interior option. This should fulfill the desires of those enthusiasts who like the Corvette but feel they want a more exotic European looking interior, I've seen it in person and the interior should make even Porsche and Ferrari owners pleasantly surprised! Even with this option and the upgraded Z51 suspension, the standard 436HP Corvette is still under $56k retail, a buy that nobody can dispute!

EFE Z06
 
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I know 3 C6 ZO6's that were dyno'd stock and they all hit in the 440 - 450 RWHP range as this other fellow posted. The car has comes tuned with a conservative AFR. Lean it out, keep it safe, cut the air filter down and you come into the 485+- range.

Look, all this magazine quoting, arm chair racing stuff is lame. I have seen a Ford Festiva getting a point by at Lime Rock by a C5 Zo6. So what! The bottom line is drive what you like.

The C6 ZO6 is a very fast car. Faster than a NSX. If that's what matters then that's all you need to know.

I like MGB'S,TR4'S,308'S and 60 era E-Types. I wish I owned any or all of those cars and I'd rather have them than a C6 ZO6.
I'd rather have a 62' Vette. 3speed with a 283 than a C6 ZO6.

Drive what you like.
 
You can make a turd go 8 secs in a quarter mile. But not everyone wants to buy a turd.

Basically, you can make anything go fast. But not everyone is going to like what you like. period. That's why there is more than 1 car on the road.

Frankly I think best bang for the buck is a Noble. And it should beat a C6 Z06 in just about everything.
 

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