A Better Alternative to a totally redesigned NSX

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A completely new NSX is not needed. Is the current design dated? No, the design is timeless. I have not seen one concept car - including the HSC - or picture or drawing or sketch or anything that looks better than the current NSX. Needs more power? Sure, but power can be increased without too much trouble, either by using a similar V6 with larger displacement or by switching to forced induction. Dated interior? I find it perfect, but it could be totally redesigned if you must without designing a new car.

My point is this - and Honda, please listen: The Porsche 911 has been around for ever and it has evolved from an improved Volkswagen Beetle to what it is today. The concept, shape, character, etc. has been kept but the mechanicals and technological sophistication has been updated time after time. Porsche increases horsepower when needed mostly by increasing the displacement of its engines, and it updates the looks of the car by modifying the bodies with the current trend- e.g. look at the return to the oval headlights and other old features on the new 997.

The same has been true for the Corvette. Only this year GM decided to go with a fixed headlight on the Corvette, yet very few people were calling the flip ups on the C5 "dated". When did the C4 come out? 1984? Ever since, the concept, shape and character has remained the same, the mechanicals and technological sophistication is what has been updated.

My recommendation to Honda: Keep the current body and start next year by giving 400HP to the current NSX, put on bigger wheels, vented Brembos with huge calipers front and back, and work on an exhaust system that will have the same level of noise inside the cabin as today's car (nil) and a more aggresive note outside when accelerating. Update the interior by adding a stereo/NAV system like that found on the new TL or new RL, and while doing all this, do whatever is needed to keep the weight the same.

Keep the price at the same level and I believe you would have a more respected example of your "halo" car. Who knows, you might sell a few more each year as you continue the improvement plan that will put it on a par with the Porsche 911, the F430 and their successors. :wink:
 
That is a very intelligent way of putting it.
I too have no problems with the way the car looks. It still garners attention everyone I go and has a timless shape to it. Excellent comparison of it to the 911 which has been the same shape for many years as well.
They too just keep improving the car in so many ways and people continue to buy it. I have trouble detecting which year is different from which but still respect the hell out of them for what they are.
 
i totally agree with you. But the Nsx does need a new chasis though. As great as this 14 year old one is it still needs a new one to handle better, be stronger and more versatile, etc...
 
1HOT NSX said:
My recommendation to Honda: Keep the current body and start next year by giving 400HP to the current NSX, put on bigger wheels, vented Brembos with huge calipers front and back, and work on an exhaust system that will have the same level of noise inside the cabin as today's car (nil) and a more aggresive note outside when accelerating. Update the interior by adding a stereo/NAV system like that found on the new TL or new RL, and while doing all this, do whatever is needed to keep the weight the same.

Keep the price at the same level and I believe you would have a more respected example of your "halo" car. Who knows, you might sell a few more each year as you continue the improvement plan that will put it on a par with the Porsche 911, the F430 and their successors. :wink:

I agree 100%. There is no need for a totally new car. The interior is good, but it can be a lot better. Redo it full leather everywhere (like Ferrari). Keep the dash pod the same, but a digital odometer might be nice :). NAV Pod, indash CD. And how about a little more storage! 18" wheels will be fine, but we need at least 285's on the rear. Update the ABS and brakes (ceramic option). Probably add paddle shifters as an option.

As for the motor, I would be happy with a 450HP V6.(which is probably what the 997 turbo will be) However you want to get there, I don't care. FI, NA, whatever. I would prefer NA. If Ferrari can get 480HP out of a 4.3 L, then make a 4.3L v6!

Weight should be 3000lbs flat.

Keep the price tag at $90,000 without the ceramic brakes. Make that the ONLY option.
 
NetViper the next NSX as you describe it is gonna kick ass and maybe even beat the F430
 
I agree, it is a great platform. Why leave it?
 
Agree wholeheartedly. Minor interior update to more modern requirements. Paddle shifter as an option. Big ole' brakes. Motor "detuned" to 450-500hp. 6 speeds. And some sort of F1 badging commerating your most recent F1 win in '05 - note the encouragement. :wink:
 
I agree with all the above except for the part that the NSX is in need of a new chassis. In fact, I have mentioned the 911-idea several times.
The 911 is a classic not in spite off but specifically because off all the improvements over the years.
The NSX is already a 15-year old design and can be a similar classic in its own right if Honda would keep on evolving the model.
Porsche never had the resources to completely design a totally new car. Instead, teh 911 is still their main source of income. Honda DOES have the resources but I think the NSX was so well designed from the start that it makes for a platform that is well suited for further development. After all,
in race-trim, the NSX still proves to be very competitive compared with newer designs.
Perhaps, in a new model, other materials than aluminum would be a better choice. Composite materials have long proven to be just as strong or even stronger without any weight penalties.
Better brakes, more power and an updated interior, is all that's needed to keep the NSX up to date in my opinion.
 
I forgot to add, the car probably needs to be about 2 inches wider to create more room inside. It looks really thin next to the 360.
 
I completely agree!
 
when NSX first came out, one of the rival was Ferrari 348...
now look at Ferrari

348 -> F355 -> 360 Modena -> F430

they just completely redesigned the car. They did't upgrade the 348...

Porsche 911 is a pretty good example, but they also have 911 Turbo.
I don't think Honda will make something like 911 Turbo though.
(turbocharged, widebody, big brakes, etc)

with a little bit more effort, HSC will look better than current NSX anyways.
 
Definately agree! Honda could redo the interior with off the shelf parts (think 05 RL nav system / climate contro, paddle shifters, etcl) and updated gauges.

Enginewise, they should be able to get 400hp out of an NA V6 with a similar redline. I'm actually really expecting the SH-AWD to make it's appearance in the non-Type-R models, as well... and maybe even then, depending just how much that system weighs.

I'd also add that Honda should redo the tail end to complete the 02 face-lift. At least LED in place of the current bulbs if not a redesign.

For the chassis... a little wider like Netviper mentions... maybe with an OEM / A-spec underbody cladding (if it could be made to help). Otherwise, standardize the Type-R aerodynamics (hood, spoiler) and with this hypothetical 350-400hp engine everything should be rosy if the MSRP can be kept between $90,000 and $100,000 USD.
 
Timpo said:
when NSX first came out, one of the rival was Ferrari 348...
now look at Ferrari

348 -> F355 -> 360 Modena -> F430

they just completely redesigned the car. They did't upgrade the 348...

Porsche 911 is a pretty good example, but they also have 911 Turbo.
I don't think Honda will make something like 911 Turbo though.
(turbocharged, widebody, big brakes, etc)

with a little bit more effort, HSC will look better than current NSX anyways.

so would you agree that if Honda wants to beat the 911 then they should just upgrade/update the current platform and if they want to beat the F430 they should use a whole new platform similar to the HSC?

And the SH-AWD shouldnt be in the nsxt NSX its probaly too heavy what i would like is SH-RWD.
 
Timpo said:
348 -> F355 -> 360 Modena -> F430

they just completely redesigned the car. They did't upgrade the 348...

Not entirely correct. The 355 was a redesigned 348 - some Ferrari engineers complained about the limitations they had to live with when they created the 355. You find hardly a difference when you look from a distance at these cars.
 
I totally agree and IMO the 02-Update (I like the rear, but not the front and sides) was useless. It doesn't have the charme of the first NSX. Porsche never had the balls to build a new 911 (always stayed a flat VW Beetle :(), it's like most German car manufacturers very, very conservative.
 
goldNSX said:
I totally agree and IMO the 02-Update (I like the rear, but not the front and sides) was useless. It doesn't have the charme of the first NSX. Porsche never had the balls to build a new 911 (always stayed a flat VW Beetle :(), it's like most German car manufacturers very, very conservative.

I don't think it was useless, however, I think not upgrading the powerplant was a MAJOR mistake. It got virtually no press because they car was, in 95% of the way, the same car from 1997.

If they had put in a 3.5L V6 with 350HP, I think 2002 demand and sales would have been MUCH higher. I also think it would be back back in all the major car comparisons in the magazines. Instead, nobody even mentions the NSX anymore. The only time it is mentioned is when people say how the RL now has more power than the NSX :frown:
 
NetViper said:
I don't think it was useless, however, I think not upgrading the powerplant was a MAJOR mistake. It got virtually no press because they car was, in 95% of the way, the same car from 1997.
Yes, I see it this way too. The update was too late and not an impact enough to keep the sales up. The major problem was that the engine merely stayed the same as it was not possible to make much more hp out of it without building a complete (costly!) new one. Unfortunately that's a drawback of going to extremes in design time in the eighties. The 02-update looked like a final try to me.
 
goldNSX said:
The major problem was that the engine merely stayed the same as it was not possible to make much more hp out of it without building a complete (costly!) new one. .

Could they not have modded the 3.5L that was in the RL?
 
Dave Hardy said:
How close is the 3.5 RL motor to the NSX? Are they the same engine family? Same mounting scheme? Same tranny flange?

I have no clue, just sounded like a good platform to start from. The HSC apparently had a 3.5L V6 in it, so I see no reason why it could not go into the NSX right now. (if it was production ready). That would at least give the NSX a slight boost for 06-07.
 
hmmm... the 96-03 RL 3.5litre motor was longitudinal mounted. The redesigned '04 (or '05?) RL has a tranverse mounted motor; I am not positive of it's displacement, 3.5litre I had presumed.

For reference, the NSX has a transverse mounted mid-engine rearwheel drive powerplant.

I am not the most tech savy of guys, but just swapping a motor in/out due to similar lineage (car manufacturer) & for added displacement isn't easily done If done at all.
 
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