will my 2000 NSX handle better than friends C6Z06?
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Hmm..... that is a tough call. The NSX is an incredible handling car, but I think the Z06 is probably a little better. It weighs less and has as stiffer body (vs. a NSX-T) I think, has a stiff suspension and the tires are a lot wider.
I think that you'll get outhandled, leaf springs and all.
You've got to resort to quality of interior comparisons to beat that Z06!
Go get him on his steering wheel.
You've got to resort to quality of interior comparisons to beat that Z06!
Go get him on his steering wheel.
Another idea, before you go to challenge him buy and install the Koni Shocks and comtech springs and perches and then you will outhandle him.:wink:
define "handling".
Will the Z06 post better braking and lateral g' numbers? Without a doubt.
Is the NSX easier to drive hard on the streets? Probably.
Is the avg. driver faster around a race track in a Z06 than a Corvette? If he can put the power down w/o losing it... you bet.
Will the Z06 post better braking and lateral g' numbers? Without a doubt.
Is the NSX easier to drive hard on the streets? Probably.
Is the avg. driver faster around a race track in a Z06 than a Corvette? If he can put the power down w/o losing it... you bet.
This is extremely hard to determine. With the additonal power of the c6, it is going to post much faster lap times. You'd have to somehow isolate the handling aspects away from the power. Overall, with the stiffer springs etc., I'd say the z06 is better handling as far as getting around corners faster. I don't put huge emphasis on lateral g's though, it doesn't take into account balance and transition. Is the NSX more manageable? IMO, yes. I have not drove a c6 z06 but I have drove the c5 z06, and the NSX is partly more manageable because it has significantly less power.
A more fair comparison would be to compare to the standard C6, in which I think it would be an equal venture, or to compare it against a NSX-R, in which I'd go in favor of the R. Regardless, the z06 isn't just a great value for its power, it is an impressive overall package.
A more fair comparison would be to compare to the standard C6, in which I think it would be an equal venture, or to compare it against a NSX-R, in which I'd go in favor of the R. Regardless, the z06 isn't just a great value for its power, it is an impressive overall package.
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Are you a better driver than your friend? Given equally skilled driver, I think the Z06 will have a edge over the NSX. (Go ahead and Flame me,I have thick skin):wink:
Ok, the guys that tell him to add this and add that...sorry, but that's just lame. He's talking about stock vs. stock. If it comes to modification, hell, the better handler would be whoever has more cash.:wink:
Sure...add Koni's, type-r suspension, sway bars, etc to the NSX.
What's to prevent the C6Z06 owner from modding his ride, then?
Stock for stock, the z06 will beat the NSX (atleast from gathering the recorded numbers). Hell, the C5 Z06 came out ontop for the Auto-X, beating out the long time King of the Hill Mazda Rx-7.
Sure...add Koni's, type-r suspension, sway bars, etc to the NSX.
What's to prevent the C6Z06 owner from modding his ride, then?
Stock for stock, the z06 will beat the NSX (atleast from gathering the recorded numbers). Hell, the C5 Z06 came out ontop for the Auto-X, beating out the long time King of the Hill Mazda Rx-7.
Your comparing a 13 year old design with a brand new car, I don't think it is much to ask to add a little suspension work. Buy a 30K NSX put in 30K in upgrades and you will smoke the 70K Z06 at the track.:smile:
I drove several C5 Z06s and I think they handle better then my 97 NSX. Although I have cheap tires on my NSX right now.
One thing to note, the Z06 has $1500 worth of tires under it!
Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires:
Front: $340 each
Rear: $420 each
If you put $1500 worth of tires under a NSX, it would pull the same numbers...
One thing to note, the Z06 has $1500 worth of tires under it!
Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires:
Front: $340 each
Rear: $420 each
If you put $1500 worth of tires under a NSX, it would pull the same numbers...
Guys, the whole concept of "higher skidpad numbers = better handling" concept is something Chevy came up with to market the C4 Corvette when it came out in 1983. They put up ads in all the magazines bragging how it pulled 1.01G on the skidpad, and said that was proof that the Corvette was the best handling car in the world. I was in 6th grade or thereabouts, and so I thought it must be true.
Now I know better. It's not about numbers. It's about how a car responds to your steering input. How well you can feel what the contact patches are doing through the vibrations and tugs from the steering wheel. It's how easy it is to predict what a car's going to do when you're at the edge.
You can't bust out some slalom or skidpad numbers and say your car is handling better. You also can't stick springs and shocks on a car and know for sure the result's going to be an improvement. It's something that takes some firsthand experience and knowledge to evaluate. It's also quite subjective, and one person's likes can be another's dislikes.
Now I know better. It's not about numbers. It's about how a car responds to your steering input. How well you can feel what the contact patches are doing through the vibrations and tugs from the steering wheel. It's how easy it is to predict what a car's going to do when you're at the edge.
You can't bust out some slalom or skidpad numbers and say your car is handling better. You also can't stick springs and shocks on a car and know for sure the result's going to be an improvement. It's something that takes some firsthand experience and knowledge to evaluate. It's also quite subjective, and one person's likes can be another's dislikes.
Using any objective measurements, the new Z06 is the performance king that rivals cars costing 4 times as much. Stock to stock, Z06 >NSX, period. Too bad Chevy can't figure out how to keep it's roof on.:redface: NSX just fits me better. But Z06 is like a hot redhead that's hard to ignore.:wink:Gansan said:
EIFFEL said:
I am going to see some Z06's at the track this weekend. I will let you know what I find out. I am not sure if we are in the same run group though.
BioBanker said:I think that you'll get outhandled, leaf springs and all.
You've got to resort to quality of interior comparisons to beat that Z06!
Go get him on his steering wheel.
Or...
You can always get him on the roof. Go 60mph down the on ramp and see who makes it to the next exit in one piece.
I agree that this is an unfair, but still very close comparison. It does depend a lot on the driver. I'd be confident in myself to beat an average Z06 driver.
But it's still a little unfair, as jjeray said, to compare an old design to something new. Compare a '91 Vette (if there are any left running
) to the NSX, I'd put the money on the NSX. Or '97, vs '97, I'd think they'd be within a breath of each other.Also, compare the regular Vette to the NSX and the Z06 to the NSX-R. Gotta go model for model. (I'd go with the R)
I think it was a 2001 NSX-R that tied the record at the Nordschleife previously held by a Stardale 360. An 2001 Z06 tried to break that record and it ended up setting a time that was about a second slower. Don't know if their track times still stand today, as this was few years back.
with an nsx.... you're probably better off letting people think you're fast. i've had plenty of times where an evo/sti/srt have tried to race me and i just ignore them..... cause i don't want to get spanked..... or have them get even close.
z06 is a beast, very refined.... very impressive, especially for an american vehicle.... nsx was a beast 15 years ago, was refined. that is the difference. if he wanted to race you in 91 with a vette.... it'd be no competition... but at least if you DID race him now, it wouldn't be a mismatch.... you wouldn't get embarrased... just don't go somwehere where there are straights.... and don't expect to win.
z06 is a beast, very refined.... very impressive, especially for an american vehicle.... nsx was a beast 15 years ago, was refined. that is the difference. if he wanted to race you in 91 with a vette.... it'd be no competition... but at least if you DID race him now, it wouldn't be a mismatch.... you wouldn't get embarrased... just don't go somwehere where there are straights.... and don't expect to win.
You can always add the Type R or Type S suspension, if you do Type R suspension, it will definitely be better.
Looking back, I realize that "handling" itself is too broad to compare two sportscars. I would break handling down into four subcategories. 1: Nimbleness 2:Stability at higher speeds 3:Communication with the driver and 4: Cornering limits.
Either way, this is all for fun, I couldn't be happier with my NSX.
Either way, this is all for fun, I couldn't be happier with my NSX.
Handling is subjective. That's like asking whether your 2000 NSX is better looking than your friend's C6Z06.
There have been a couple of good articles in car mags over the years where they try to isolate handling and rank them. The first three values you've listed above are all subjective. Need somebody to compare them that has driven both hard on a track and at high speed. The fourth, cornering limits, is easily quantifiable --> C6Z06.
CokerRat said:
Wouldn't tire size and compound make a large difference on that one? The stock NSX has little tires, but most upgrade go to 275-285 which I think would help.
The C6 Z06 will handle better, almost no matter HOW you define handling. So will a C6, a C5 Z06, and a plain old C5.
We might be about equal to a C4!
I've got 2 other cars that can out-drive my NSX, but I have the NSX for other reasons ... exclusivity, fun, beauty, comfort, etc etc.
But ... when I go to a track day ... I'd STILL rather take the NSX, even though my other cars are faster, because it's just more fun and satisfying. It feels much more like a dance around the track, instead of a fight.
We might be about equal to a C4!
I've got 2 other cars that can out-drive my NSX, but I have the NSX for other reasons ... exclusivity, fun, beauty, comfort, etc etc.
But ... when I go to a track day ... I'd STILL rather take the NSX, even though my other cars are faster, because it's just more fun and satisfying. It feels much more like a dance around the track, instead of a fight.
PaulL said:
I don't think so. We are easily on par with the C5 and maybe a C6 (not Z06 in either).
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