vtec888 said:
On a track. But not on a hiway roll with a NSX vs. a Diablo SV. It doesn't matter who is driving.
Why do ppl alway's say the NSX isn't fast?
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On a track. But not on a hiway roll with a NSX vs. a Diablo SV. It doesn't matter who is driving.
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the nsx isn't fast, its quick. the problem is its price range, if the car was 25K new noone would car but when you can get a porsche for the same price range that is a lot faster than people might question why. Speed was never the nsx's strong point, its best known for handling. just my 2 cents
Nsxdemon81 said:
well i think that back in 1990 speed was part of its strong points :biggrin:
alot of my car buddies say the nsx is slow =)
granted they have 500 horsepower econobox's so its different but
the thing i find funny is, the F355 is technically slow by modern standards, but no one really ever says, oh why did you get the F355, you should have gotten a Dodge Neon SRT4 with the stage 3 380 rwhp package!!!!!!!!!
lol of course i'm just joking, but even my friends with the fastest evo's realize its a difference in taste and feel, i think only people who dont know alot about it or havent driven it will be totally clueless as to why its the Shizzle!
granted they have 500 horsepower econobox's so its different but
the thing i find funny is, the F355 is technically slow by modern standards, but no one really ever says, oh why did you get the F355, you should have gotten a Dodge Neon SRT4 with the stage 3 380 rwhp package!!!!!!!!!
lol of course i'm just joking, but even my friends with the fastest evo's realize its a difference in taste and feel, i think only people who dont know alot about it or havent driven it will be totally clueless as to why its the Shizzle!
No, actually, the NSX is fast, not quick. An unmodified NSX can hit 165-175 top speed, which is plenty fast. However, when people complain about the 13 second quarter mile, it is because the NSX is not as quick as some of its contemporaries.Nsxdemon81 said:
smite said:
My apologies friend I stand corrected. Please forgive me :smile:
I have had my 98 NSX for 2.5 years now and I also have a 90 ZR-1 Corvette. The NSX is a very nice car, but I just don't get all of the hype of the car being called a hand made exotic. Sure, it's very nicely built, but lets not forget the fact that the Japanese have just about defined what factory automation is all about. While it might be considered hand made, I don't think the fit and finish of the car is superior to anything else that Honda makes. In fact, the majority of the car is constructed like any other mass produced vehicle. I will also be the first to admit that the fit and finish of my ZR-1 sucks by comparison. Of course, GM has never been given good marks for their interior design. But the ZR-1 is absolutely more fun to drive if your looking for the thrill of a V-8 spinning at 7200 rpm. The car simply accelerates much better than the NSX. It also pulls like a train all the way to 170 mph with a top end of 185+. Is it a better car than the NSX? I don't think so, but it is as fun to drive.
NSX's are considered slow by todays standard because they are. A high 80K car for a collector just needs to have more power, whether you use it or not. I've only had the ZR-1 to170 MPH twice since I've owned it (1995), but the car is very capable for a machine that was built in Nov. 89. I have also run 12.670 quarter mile on a bone stock car with street tires.By todays standard, the ZR-1 is even slow now that the technology has caught up. The C-5 Z06 will eat a ZR-1 in the quarter, but not top end. The new C-6 Z06 is simply going to be a very fast car. The Vipers will finally have a competitor.
I've been through the Viper plant numerous times and it is also a hand made machine if you use the same reasoning that makes the NSX a hand built car.
While I don't mean to offend anyone here on Prime, I just wanted to give my humble opinion. I still love my NSX and it is the most exotic car I have owned, but it still is just another nice collectable piece. Nothing so special.
It's been great fun for a relatively slow car.
NSX's are considered slow by todays standard because they are. A high 80K car for a collector just needs to have more power, whether you use it or not. I've only had the ZR-1 to170 MPH twice since I've owned it (1995), but the car is very capable for a machine that was built in Nov. 89. I have also run 12.670 quarter mile on a bone stock car with street tires.By todays standard, the ZR-1 is even slow now that the technology has caught up. The C-5 Z06 will eat a ZR-1 in the quarter, but not top end. The new C-6 Z06 is simply going to be a very fast car. The Vipers will finally have a competitor.
I've been through the Viper plant numerous times and it is also a hand made machine if you use the same reasoning that makes the NSX a hand built car.
While I don't mean to offend anyone here on Prime, I just wanted to give my humble opinion. I still love my NSX and it is the most exotic car I have owned, but it still is just another nice collectable piece. Nothing so special.
It's been great fun for a relatively slow car.
VBNSX said:
I gave that a shot once. Saw an STi coming up; so I checked it out as it approached.
MY EYES! MY EYES!
Ive never been the same since. :biggrin:
I think people question the NSX's speed largely it's because of the Honda name. You mention Ferrari/Lambo and their names are known for fast cars. Mention 'Honda' or 'Acura' and people think of reliable sedans.
The HSC will probably suffer the same questions even if it's a lambo-eating V10 like we're all hoping.
The HSC will probably suffer the same questions even if it's a lambo-eating V10 like we're all hoping.
ZR-1 NSX said:
Your kidding right? It's been great fun for a relatively slow car. Friend that's a left handed compliment if ever I've heard one. Nobody pay's high eighties for these cars. I love ZR-1's ,but their known to be junk ( I'm from the Detroit area with GM employee family members so I feel comfortable saying this ). Still their back end is eye catching. New Z06 is a great comparison since it's about a second faster 3.6 vs 4.5 0-60. The Z06 is insanely fast but it doesn't make the NSX slow... just slower. Maybe it's just the wording :smile:
Come on man 180mph is slow???????? Collector car...hmmm never thought of the NSX that way. Too many out there. Rare only if your not looking for one. So just so I'm one the same page... a car that goes to 60 in under 5 seconds and has a top end of 175 is slow
Also at the end of the day this is just a discussion so everyone's comments ( even the trolls ) has made for some good dialogue.
Thanks for chiming in everybody
You think anyone questions the owners of ferrari 308 or 328s about their cars power? I doubt it--because its a ferrari, which is special no matter how much power it has. I feel the same about the NSX as do most owners. We think there is something special that goes far beyond horspower and zero to sixty times--it's the "X" factor-- no pun intended
VBNSX said:
No worries. I just think to each his own. I did not buy my NSX because I wanted a "fast" car, I bought it because I love the design and have always dreamed about having one.
Sure I could have bought a vette, but I did not want one. Sure I could have had the latest turbo AWD rice rocket (probably two :biggrin: ) but I wanted an NSX.
Some people just get a little too excited when others do not "love" our cars the way we do. Can't we all just get along
how true is that 4.5 statement?
i think a bit ambitious.
i think a bit ambitious.
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Haven't had anybody say that to me specifically, but on the track people will come up to me after a session and ask what year, etc. Specifically, had a 2004 Porsche C4S ask about my car at the track because I was reeling him in on a straightaway, he had no passenger, I had a 170 lb passenger. I've also had a handful of E46 M3 owners tell me that when they point me by, they're very "surprised" how quickly I pass them and never realized the NSX could pull like that, and they weren't giving any "courtesy lifts" off the throttle, either. I also took a friend out with me last month on Pocono's Double Infield - he has a 2000 Mustang Cobra R. He was beside himself - raving about "who would want to supercharge this car - this is waaayyyyy fast enough - 290 hp WOW!!!" It also keeps up with supposedly a 400 hp supercharged 350Z. Power mod-wise, I just have the Cantrell AIS and a Comptech exhaust. The NSX is a lot faster than people realize.
SPA_S2000 said:
Hehe.. sometimes I just have fun trying to poke at people.
But seriously, the nsx is a very wonderful car. It's sole design was part of balance. Whenever I'm at the track the car is highly under-rated. I find it funny when I catch up to cars with drivers of comparable experience and quicker (hp speaking) cars. The crappy part is that most of them make me 'earn' the pass by not letting me pass for a lap or two before I get the point by. Anway..
Part of the 'greatness' of the nsx is the way it attains to the driver. Compared to other cars I've driven.. the amount of feedback the car gives is amazing. Of course I'm somewhat biased.... but... sometimes things just 'feel' right when you drive them.
Yes the car is quicker than some of the other cars out there. Not all.. but some. Is it outdated? Yes. Do we still love them... of course. Enjoy the drive and just screw what everyone else thinks.. it's your money. Do what you want.
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I think you need to be around it and be in it to realize it IS a fast car indeed. Kids in my grade think the same, why? Because it isnt a ferrari or a Porshe...people like that bother me. If you dont know then dont speak.
nsx13 said:
That's what I'm talking about and that's what I see at the track. It's also why I don't understand people who own the car and say it's "slow". You don't want to say "dude you need to learn how to drive" but it's that simple. These higher hp cars just "give it to you" the NSX rewards you when you "take the booty"
pixelhaus said:
haha i concur, i believe that car and driver mag had the phantom 2001 yellow coupe with 30 extra horsepower, i think that physically its very hard to do 12.9 in a car that weighs 3200 lbs with only 260 rwhp, i think that that this was a special case as most na1's with extra 20 hp to match the 290 crank hph in the 2001's rarely hit 12.9 even with them weighing 150 lbs less, am i wrong here?
pixelhaus said:
same for the C6 Z06, R&T got 0-60 in 4.3 and the 1/4 in 12.3, don't believe a word GM says, they're nothing but hype.....so's the new F430, sadly (their times are for Europen versions using lanch control)
You want accuret times check Lamborghini and Porsche (heck they underestimate their cars, what a nice surprise for once)
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People keep comparing the NSX to the Lambo and Ferrari due to the cost of the NSX. But there is a big difference between a $90k NSX and $150+k Lambo/Ferrari. My stock 05 EVO went 13.5 and w/ only intake and exhaust went 12.4, and the EVO is 1/3 the cost of an NSX. Can't compare those either, not even on the same playing field. The NSX is a beautiful piece of machinery and should be well respected. Who cares what people say about it. And for the Corvette. They are absolutely horrible. Every single person I know who has one has multiple problems with them. And as for this new 06 z06, take an 02 z06 for $30ishk and put an extra $30k into it and see how fast it is. No matter how fast your car is, there is somebody faster. I have friends with 8 second street civics and I sure as hell wouldn't want one of those. I just bought a 98 NSX and could care less what people think. I love it......................
MostWanted said:
hahaha i concur =)
an extra 100 hp would be nice though :biggrin:
I am quite tired of hearing that to be frank, people ask me "is it as fast as it looks?" occassionally in a sacrastic way.WingZ said:
Most people say this due to several reasons:
1. Horsepower/Cost ratio
2. Jealousy (High price tag for a brand new, turned people who really liked NSX into haters)
3. People doesn't realize the used ones can be obtained at very reasonable price, most assume we paid arm and leg for it.
4. No turbo, V8, supercharger
5. Old car
The car is definitley plenty of fast on the street situations 0~60mph. Anything above is useless and extremely dangerous on street anyway.
Unfortunately 60mph~100+mph, this is where NSX is not incredibly fast.
Having Supercharger/Turbo in the NSX would make answering these question much easier and more convincing
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nsxsupra-I agree 100% and would say that 98% of the time if somebody has something negative to say it is generally out of jealousy.
khappucino- I agree. A few extra ponies is always nice
khappucino- I agree. A few extra ponies is always nice
