Who wants to go to Heaven?

92NSX said:
IMO that is absolutely blasphemy !!!:mad: :mad:
THE ONLY way to get to heaven is accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal savior !
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c'mon. i know plenty of religious people that are complete pricks - morally even. (and what makes you think you have to accept JESUS as your lord? what about other religions? i think that mindset is one of the biggest problems in the world.... ever.)
fact of the matter is, if there is a heaven, you'll go if you're decent to other people and you live an honest life and don't cut other peoples' throats for personal gain. it doesn't matter what you believe in.

actually, i think you're better off not believing anything nowadays. (if there is one...) god would probably be pissed the way everybody miscontrues religion. (YOU'RE HEALED)

personally, i think that, when you die... it's the same as before you were born; nothing. (but i'm still not going to treat people like trash, because i know that i wouldn't want stuff done to me.)

all i know is i'm going to heaven before those scumbag televangelists that are *somehow multi millionaires. (or any other person that uses religion as a front to get support - ie, politicians)

you can't trust somebody just because they "believe in god". that doesn't necessarily make them a good person; and somebody who doesn't believe in anything isn't automatically "bad".

if you think about it, there are a lot of people would qualify for hell :wink:
 
Synthesis said:
c'mon. i know plenty of religious people that are complete pricks - morally even. (and what makes you think you have to accept JESUS as your lord? what about other religions? i think that mindset is one of the biggest problems in the world.... ever.)
fact of the matter is, if there is a heaven, you'll go if you're decent to other people and you live an honest life and don't cut other peoples' throats for personal gain. it doesn't matter what you believe in.

actually, i think you're better off not believing anything nowadays. (if there is one...) god would probably be pissed the way everybody miscontrues religion. (YOU'RE HEALED)

personally, i think that, when you die... it's the same as before you were born; nothing. (but i'm still not going to treat people like trash, because i know that i wouldn't want stuff done to me.)

all i know is i'm going to heaven before those scumbag televangelists that are *somehow multi millionaires. (or any other person that uses religion as a front to get support - ie, politicians)

you can't trust somebody just because they "believe in god". that doesn't necessarily make them a good person; and somebody who doesn't believe in anything isn't automatically "bad".

if you think about it, there are a lot of people would qualify for hell :wink:
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You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.
 
Do you get into Heaven if you can't pay your bills and are offered work that pays on a Sunday but don't work and go to church instead... then file BK and let others pay for your inability to work on a Sunday? Doesn't God want you to better yourself?

I would really like some honest opinions on this.
 
Synthesis said:
c'mon. i know plenty of religious people that are complete pricks - morally even. (and what makes you think you have to accept JESUS as your lord? what about other religions? i think that mindset is one of the biggest problems in the world.... ever.)
fact of the matter is, if there is a heaven, you'll go if you're decent to other people and you live an honest life and don't cut other peoples' throats for personal gain. it doesn't matter what you believe in.

actually, i think you're better off not believing anything nowadays. (if there is one...) god would probably be pissed the way everybody miscontrues religion. (YOU'RE HEALED)

personally, i think that, when you die... it's the same as before you were born; nothing. (but i'm still not going to treat people like trash, because i know that i wouldn't want stuff done to me.)

all i know is i'm going to heaven before those scumbag televangelists that are *somehow multi millionaires. (or any other person that uses religion as a front to get support - ie, politicians)

you can't trust somebody just because they "believe in god". that doesn't necessarily make them a good person; and somebody who doesn't believe in anything isn't automatically "bad".

if you think about it, there are a lot of people would qualify for hell :wink:
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Well that is EXACTLY what I think. It's like you read my mind!!
 
Ryanmcd2 said:
If I see a fish on the back of a car I know they are a asswipe.
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steveny said:
Do you get into Heaven if you can't pay your bills and are offered work that pays on a Sunday but don't work and go to church instead... then file BK and let others pay for your inability to work on a Sunday? Doesn't God want you to better yourself?

I would really like some honest opinions on this.
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IMO, Just because you do go to church on Sunday doesn't mean you are going to Heaven and vice versa. If you have to work on that day to pay your bills then that is what you have to do. Sunday isn't the only day that there are services.
I'm learning a lot about folks on here by reading their replies though.
 
Ryanmcd2 said:
If I see a fish on the back of a car I know they are a asswipe.
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I have noticed that too. It really makes me puzzled how foolish people act. On a Sunday they are more than happy to help their fellow man. On a Monday it would be easier to part the red sea then it would be to get them out of the passing lane when they are doing 55mph.

My sister-in-law claims to be very religious. She uses it as an excuse to be lazy. Jesus wants her to be lazy? Come on now. I wouldn't care if I didn't have to listen to her about how little money she has but unwilling to work and change her situation. She is unwilling to work because her pastor states she has to go to church all day sunday and 4 nights during the week. She puts all the stress of making money on my wifes brother who works 90 hours a week to support her spending habits.

I remember when I was very young I went in the ditch with my car on snowy roads. A guy pulled over and and offered to help. He gets a chain out of his car and I am, of course, blabbing away and I say..I was going down the road and just slid into the GD ditch. He starts to put the chain back in the trunk and tell me how he is not going to help me because I said GD. I couldn't believe it. These people find it so easy to pass judgment on others. I think they get off on it. He was waiting for an apology when I told him to put his f--ing chain up his a$$ and get the F--- out of here. Turns out he was the dad of a few kids in school who were all pot heads and trouble makers in school but apparently good little kids at home.

Most of my friends are Buddhists, one is even a monk and if I had to choose I think that is the religion which is the closest to which I live my life.
 
What is it with super-religious people and raising hooligans?! Out of about 10 very close friends, the 3 that had super-religious parents (all three different religions) ended up criminals and serious drug addicts. I guess maybe their parents thought 'god' would take care of everything in the end.

I can't wait to teach my son that he is going to become worm food when he dies.
 
Deltron Zero said:
What is it with super-religious people and raising hooligans?! Out of about 10 very close friends, the 3 that had super-religious parents (all three different religions) ended up criminals and serious drug addicts. I guess maybe their parents thought 'god' would take care of everything in the end.

I can't wait to teach my son that he is going to become worm food when he dies.
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Also true about every Catholic girl I have ever dated. It's like they are two different people, one in public and another in private. Not me I am the same guy all the time.
 
steveny said:
Do you get into Heaven if you can't pay your bills and are offered work that pays on a Sunday but don't work and go to church instead... then file BK and let others pay for your inability to work on a Sunday? Doesn't God want you to better yourself?

I would really like some honest opinions on this.
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Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man. He showed this fact to the Pharisees when he healed on the Sabbath ( which was consequently against the law). Is it lawful to do good or do evil? It doesn't matter what day you show reverence to God.
 
steveny said:
I have noticed that too. It really makes me puzzled how foolish people act. On a Sunday they are more than happy to help their fellow man. On a Monday it would be easier to part the red sea then it would be to get them out of the passing lane when they are doing 55mph.

My sister-in-law claims to be very religious. She uses it as an excuse to be lazy. Jesus wants her to be lazy? Come on now. I wouldn't care if I didn't have to listen to her about how little money she has but unwilling to work and change her situation. She is unwilling to work because her pastor states she has to go to church all day sunday and 4 nights during the week. She puts all the stress of making money on my wifes brother who works 90 hours a week to support her spending habits.

I remember when I was very young I went in the ditch with my car on snowy roads. A guy pulled over and and offered to help. He gets a chain out of his car and I am, of course, blabbing away and I say..I was going down the road and just slid into the GD ditch. He starts to put the chain back in the trunk and tell me how he is not going to help me because I said GD. I couldn't believe it. These people find it so easy to pass judgment on others. I think they get off on it. He was waiting for an apology when I told him to put his f--ing chain up his a$$ and get the F--- out of here. Turns out he was the dad of a few kids in school who were all pot heads and trouble makers in school but apparently good little kids at home.

Most of my friends are Buddhists, one is even a monk and if I had to choose I think that is the religion which is the closest to which I live my life.
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Jesus also said that it is important to meet the physical needs of people before the spiritual needs. You cannot listen when you are hungry and tired. The Pharisees also became angry with Jesus when he ate with sinners. They asked "Why do you eat with sinners and defile yourself?" and his reply was "I came to heal the sick...not the well." Many of your Christians are Sunday Christians sadly but there are some of us who do follow these commands and it is important to differentiate between the two. I don't approve of language, but there are more important things to address at hand.
 
Deltron Zero said:
What is it with super-religious people and raising hooligans?! Out of about 10 very close friends, the 3 that had super-religious parents (all three different religions) ended up criminals and serious drug addicts.
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+1

I know a few religious pin heads that are the most hypocritical people around. Like it was said on this thread, on Sunday they will help others, the rest of the week, they will kick you in the groin, sin, steal, whatever. They justify their behavior by saying that because they have accepted god or jesus, they will be forgiven. Ummm yeah but it does NOT give you the green light to be an ass hat.
 
http://www.whydoesgodhateamputees.com/

I know this is off topic, and a repost (sin!), Jezus was the topic I think, this is about God.
Personally, I think god is an ass. Won’t heal any amputees. He will heal everybody else with all kinds of problems, but not amputees, poor guys, no matter how hard they/we pray for them to recover. They never do recover their arms or whatever.
That’s just plain hateful. He loves everybody else, why not them? Not cool at all.

Jezus, on the other hand might be cool, I always like the Greek myths and Jezus was the daddy of all them gods! Man, the amazing things he did. Unbelievable.
Plus lots of people have found/met Jezus on the sidewalk, and after greeting him with a big hearty “Hey Zeus!”, they say good things about him. Those Greek gods were cool.
And Jezus’ mother was one smart lady, dang! Just before they were going to stone her for being a single pregnant mom (totally a sin) she came up with the Divine Pregnancy thing. SMART and quick thinking, wow!
So Jezus has her DNA (who knows who the father really was…maybe any old Joe), he was bound to be a smart guy with a mom like that.
And I like that.
God, on the other hand, must hate those poor amputees…what a hypocrite.
 
I hope that this topic does not get out of control.. :rolleyes:

I agree with a number of the posts here; Religion, hypocrisy and hate is counter-productive for society. It has been so for so many thousands of years. We have so many examples of this, only some listed here that it's just sad. In the case of Christianity, Christianity - as preached by, the author and the New Testament, is sadly often very drastically different than what you find on TV, or discussion boards. In early Christianity, being "Christian" was a derogatory term which basically meant you were doomed for torture and execution. Today it can mean being a bigot.

Conversely, Christianity teaches that God is real and he is just, that there is evil - and by nature - we all are eg bad/evil ( eg sinners, including Christians), and that although we deserve punishment, Christ died for our sins so that if we believe in him and follow him we may have eternal life, eg "heaven." Christianity also teaches that the more we understand him, the more we realize how evil we are and how less of a right we have to judge others (not a typo).

Christ also teaches that there will be many "Christians" that will proclaim their faith but having failed to understand who Christ is and being a disservice to him, will be...sent to hell. You probably know many of them. Conversely, plenty of people who we (Christians) would easily judge to the same place will be in heaven. In fact, it might come as a surprise that the Bible is full of murderers and criminals that met Christ/God and then became messengers of Christianity (really).

Christ and the teachings of the NT repeatedly put down the religion overzealous which acted as a burden on people, and lifted up those with genuine faith. The same message continues to apply today.

Here are a few videos by crazy guy named Marc Driscoll from a church called Mars Hill that agrees with the fact that Religion is bad and provides it's own POV. Even if you don't agree, I hope you can find it at least entertaining

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXKT8IPdvzA (On Religion)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23LaK99PEko (On Religion & Jesus)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZvgNuGzvUc (On Suffering)

My personal take on the case for God, Jesus Christ or other, this is and will always be a personal decision of faith for each individual. It takes Faith to conclude personally that God does or does not exist, and that he can or cannot be known, through Christ or other.

Nonetheless, while I don't offer this as unequivocal proof – I clearly make the case as a matter of faith in both ways - I find it highly fascinating to consider these 2 facts in making that personal decision for/against God and Christianity:

1.) The Universe has the configuration so elegant, that an infinitesimally small change would have ceased or drastically altered the course of the universe - even taking into account billions of years of existence and minimized the possibility of life to near infinitatum. In other words, life is highly improbable. Stephen Hawking even stated plainly that the “Universe is very suggestive for a Designer” (paraphrased) The odds that Universe came into being as it is by chance would be like getting a Royal Flush thousands and thousands.. or millions and millions in a row - even after taking into account 12+ billion year old Universe. This is known as the Anthropic Principle and, although hotly debated, it is to some, clearly suggestive of there is a Designer, a Creator... dare I say, "God".

Each person, confronted with this, I think, is then forced to make a leap of faith and believe either that: “God exists and…....” or “God doesn’t exist, it just is and I’m sticking to it. There is nothing that would make believe otherwise.” or I think the most humble, “I don’t know.. I’m hoping to figure it out before I die..” Each person has to take either the blue pill or the red pill and without ever being able to fully know the eternal implications of the decisions. Ultimately, we will "know" or will not "know" until after the end of this life. Let’s just do it peacefully and wish each other the best of luck, enh?

Since I go with the former, I can’t help but think that God, even if he had a banner in the sky that said "Hi, stop arguing. I'm God and I exist" we would explain it away saying that it is not improbable that elements of stardust would gather together to form something that we would seem to be intelligeble. If there was then a second banner that said, "No really, it is me, you know, God from the Bible. Larry King from CNN - can we do an interview? I'm tired of the bickering. 8 PM next Monday is an open slot for me" We would not be more convinced. The decision for or against God, are personal.

Note: Another response is that there is really a multiverse, or multiple universes, and we are in one that just works. I don’t buy this because there is no way to measure, test and ultimately prove this hypothesis since we do not have a way to interface with it.

2.) 2ndly - 10 of the 12 disciples of Christ died a torturous murderous death; the 2 exceptions, Judas, who betrayed Christ, committed suicide, and one of the apostles, John, was exiled. All the others left everything they had and were killed for preaching a radical message that Jesus Christ was God, that he was killed and that he resurrected, and that the way to Eternal Life with God was through the acknowledgement/faith and following of Jesus Christ: http://www.everystudent.com/wires/apostles.html

Additionally, another apostle of Christ/writer of the Bible was a guy name Paul who was a highly respected, educated Jew, Roman Citizen with a privileged life initially pursued and killed Christians at that time, only to find himself one day, on another such journey, receive a vision that would transform his life and turn him into the biggest impact on Christianity after Christ; him too, having chosen death with Christ, then life without.

I find it very disturbing that 10, no 11 men would choose this path for a lie, if it is/was a lie, especially considering such radical claims....Although this does not prove that Christ was who he said he was, it brings serious question as to why there was such devotion and makes it more difficult to dimiss if they had instead gotten fame, glory, money, power etc...

In short - if you've read this far... and not addde me to your ban list - religion is bad, biggotry is bad, lots of Christians are bad - no wait, all Christians are bad - and it is my opinion that it is a matter of personal faith to believe or not believe that there is a God, that he can or can not be known, with or without Christ. Good luck. In the end, you can take the blue pill or the red pill.. but you have to take a pill...
 
slownsxt said:
I hope that this topic does not get out of control.. :rolleyes:

I agree with a number of the posts here; Religion, hypocrisy and hate is counter-productive for society. It has been so for so many thousands of years. We have so many examples of this, only some listed here that it's just sad. In the case of Christianity, Christianity - as preached by, the author and the New Testament, is sadly often very drastically different than what you find on TV, or discussion boards. In early Christianity, being "Christian" was a derogatory term which basically meant you were doomed for torture and execution. Today it can mean being a bigot.

Conversely, Christianity teaches that God is real and he is just, that there is evil - and by nature - we all are eg bad/evil ( eg sinners, including Christians), and that although we deserve punishment, Christ died for our sins so that if we believe in him and follow him we may have eternal life, eg "heaven." Christianity also teaches that the more we understand him, the more we realize how evil we are and how less of a right we have to judge others (not a typo).

Christ also teaches that there will be many "Christians" that will proclaim their faith but having failed to understand who Christ is and being a disservice to him, will be...sent to hell. You probably know many of them. Conversely, plenty of people who we (Christians) would easily judge to the same place will be in heaven. In fact, it might come as a surprise that the Bible is full of murderers and criminals that met Christ/God and then became messengers of Christianity (really).

Christ and the teachings of the NT repeatedly put down the religion overzealous which acted as a burden on people, and lifted up those with genuine faith. The same message continues to apply today.

Here are a few videos by crazy guy named Marc Driscoll from a church called Mars Hill that agrees with the fact that Religion is bad and provides it's own POV. Even if you don't agree, I hope you can find it at least entertaining

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXKT8IPdvzA (On Religion)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23LaK99PEko (On Religion & Jesus)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZvgNuGzvUc (On Suffering)

My personal take on the case for God, Jesus Christ or other, this is and will always be a personal decision of faith for each individual. It takes Faith to conclude personally that God does or does not exist, and that he can or cannot be known, through Christ or other.

Nonetheless, while I don't offer this as unequivocal proof – I clearly make the case as a matter of faith in both ways - I find it highly fascinating to consider these 2 facts in making that personal decision for/against God and Christianity:

1.) The Universe has the configuration so elegant, that an infinitesimally small change would have ceased or drastically altered the course of the universe - even taking into account billions of years of existence and minimized the possibility of life to near infinitatum. In other words, life is highly improbable. Stephen Hawking even stated plainly that the “Universe is very suggestive for a Designer” (paraphrased) The odds that Universe came into being as it is by chance would be like getting a Royal Flush thousands and thousands.. or millions and millions in a row - even after taking into account 12+ billion year old Universe. This is known as the Anthropic Principle and, although hotly debated, it is to some, clearly suggestive of there is a Designer, a Creator... dare I say, "God".

Each person, confronted with this, I think, is then forced to make a leap of faith and believe either that: “God exists and…....” or “God doesn’t exist, it just is and I’m sticking to it. There is nothing that would make believe otherwise.” or I think the most humble, “I don’t know.. I’m hoping to figure it out before I die..” Each person has to take either the blue pill or the red pill and without ever being able to fully know the eternal implications of the decisions. Ultimately, we will "know" or will not "know" until after the end of this life. Let’s just do it peacefully and wish each other the best of luck, enh?

Since I go with the former, I can’t help but think that God, even if he had a banner in the sky that said "Hi, stop arguing. I'm God and I exist" we would explain it away saying that it is not improbable that elements of stardust would gather together to form something that we would seem to be intelligeble. If there was then a second banner that said, "No really, it is me, you know, God from the Bible. Larry King from CNN - can we do an interview? I'm tired of the bickering. 8 PM next Monday is an open slot for me" We would not be more convinced. The decision for or against God, are personal.

Note: Another response is that there is really a multiverse, or multiple universes, and we are in one that just works. I don’t buy this because there is no way to measure, test and ultimately prove this hypothesis since we do not have a way to interface with it.

2.) 2ndly - 10 of the 12 disciples of Christ died a torturous murderous death; the 2 exceptions, Judas, who betrayed Christ, committed suicide, and one of the apostles, John, was exiled. All the others left everything they had and were killed for preaching a radical message that Jesus Christ was God, that he was killed and that he resurrected, and that the way to Eternal Life with God was through the acknowledgement/faith and following of Jesus Christ: http://www.everystudent.com/wires/apostles.html

Additionally, another apostle of Christ/writer of the Bible was a guy name Paul who was a highly respected, educated Jew, Roman Citizen with a privileged life initially pursued and killed Christians at that time, only to find himself one day, on another such journey, receive a vision that would transform his life and turn him into the biggest impact on Christianity after Christ; him too, having chosen death with Christ, then life without.

I find it very disturbing that 10, no 11 men would choose this path for a lie, if it is/was a lie, especially considering such radical claims....Although this does not prove that Christ was who he said he was, it brings serious question as to why there was such devotion and makes it more difficult to dimiss if they had instead gotten fame, glory, money, power etc...

In short - if you've read this far... and not addde me to your ban list - religion is bad, biggotry is bad, lots of Christians are bad - no wait, all Christians are bad - and it is my opinion that it is a matter of personal faith to believe or not believe that there is a God, that he can or can not be known, with or without Christ. Good luck. In the end, you can take the blue
pill or the red pill.. but you have to take a pill...
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What if the deck was stacked so a royal flush could be dealt every time?

I know people who have claimed to see people walk on water or float in the air after taking illegal drugs. I can't imagine what I could convince someone of with a time machine and a suitcase full of illegal drugs. I am sure there must have been mushrooms back then. There must have been a time where the first person discovered a substance and then got his buddy to take the same substance without his buddy knowing the outcome but the first person did know the outcome. Mind alteration is extremely powerful and someone under the influence can be made to believe almost anything.
 
my religion is a combination of logic and the golden rule.

if you don't believe it you ARE going to hell - you just don't know it yet (why would you?.... you're illogical and inconsiderate) :wink:
 

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