Which car would you take?
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The Rossion Q1 reminds me of the Noble M400.
That's because it is. Rossion basically bought the rights to sell the Noble M400 in the US. They re-skinned it to give it a more refined look and made the interior more user friendly and ergonomic. They also took care of all the importing, assembly and emissions so you can buy it as a complete car (instead of a kit as the Noble). The "guts" are essentially identical to the Noble.
From the nobles I have seen, while cool cars, look more like kit cars. The Audi R8 looks like it was designed on a fresh sheet of paper...maybe I would think differently if I was looking purely for a track car though and would forgo creature comforts and an ergonomically designed interior.
+1 the nobles a cool kit but it seems flimsy and unfinished. maybe this new car will be solid though. r8 for now please, just leave the keys in the mail. thanks.
Go drive an R8, then you can come back and delete the poll:biggrin:
You guys are basing this on the Noble which the Rossion Q1 is not. It is much more refined and takes the "kit" part out of kit car. Is it as refined as the Audi? No way, but it's much more refined than the Noble.
Performance-wise the Q1 beats the R8 in nearly every metric. It is also less expensive than the R8 as a fully loaded Q1 should barely break $100K.
If I was given either car, I'd take the Q1. However, if I had to actually buy/purchase either car, I'd take the R8. The resale/depreciation on the Rossion is probably brutal.
Performance-wise the Q1 beats the R8 in nearly every metric. It is also less expensive than the R8 as a fully loaded Q1 should barely break $100K.
If I was given either car, I'd take the Q1. However, if I had to actually buy/purchase either car, I'd take the R8. The resale/depreciation on the Rossion is probably brutal.
I know 2 Noble M12 owners.
It's not for NSX owners for 2 reasons:
1. Too much power to weight ratio
2. Not reliable - worse than the RX7
It's not for NSX owners for 2 reasons:
1. Too much power to weight ratio
2. Not reliable - worse than the RX7
The interior on the Rossion is pretty nice... but more "lotus elise with leather" than Audi's executive feel.
I think you'd be much happier with an R8 on a daily basis, overall, etc. The Rossion would be a blast and it's performance is hard to match, but I wouldn't want it as my only weekend car....
I don't think you can compete quality wise.. the Rossion is still a bunch of parts made into a car (chasis from here, engine from there) versus a car designed entirely from the ground up.
I think you'd be much happier with an R8 on a daily basis, overall, etc. The Rossion would be a blast and it's performance is hard to match, but I wouldn't want it as my only weekend car....
I don't think you can compete quality wise.. the Rossion is still a bunch of parts made into a car (chasis from here, engine from there) versus a car designed entirely from the ground up.
That's a very odd thing to say.
Unless there is something new, the M12 was never crash tested and is classified as a "kit car"
May the force be with you if and when you crash..........
I'm referring to the "too much power vs. weight" comment and the "unreliable" comment. I have no idea where crash tests even entered the equation.
What would lead you to believe that NSX owners don't like increased power vs. lighter weight? It's very odd for you to make that assumption. Also why would the Q1 be unreliable. It uses a Ford Duratec V6; arguably one of the more common engines on the road today and pretty proven to be reliable.
Oh and by the way, I'm not aware that the Audi R8 has ever been independently crash tested either. If you can find a test result, please let me know because I haven't seen any. May the force be with you if and when you crash in that car as well.
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I'm aware of the Ford Duratec in NA form as far as it being a reliable engine (most engines are in NA form). But in FI form, and the sorta boost that I saw, which was around 15psi, it was always in the shop. Turbos failed, hose popping off, etc.
I added the crash test part because that is probably improtant to NSX owners who usually have family and would like to see their kids walk graduation.
My reference to power is not related to NSXers not wanting power (honestly if that was on the top of their list, there are other cars out there that delivers *cough* C6 Z06 *cough*). The reference is the ability to handle the power. I won't name names, but there are a few that have CTSC and had challenges handling that. One of them crashed a nice 02+ NSX. The M12 delivers more than that, more like the league of my GTO with regards to power to weight ratios. That will require more adroit driving skills.
So where did the R8 crash test topic come from? The R8 has airbags. Q1? maybe one. Certainly none in the 2 examples of M12 that I have seen, unless they were guised as screws on a steering wheel.
I would rather bet on a major German maker than something from South Africa......
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funny I think watched a documentary where lotus was a kit car company and to this day all their cars seem like kits to me based on an interior made up of autometer guages and a sony walkman for tunes. (rad cars though)
Audi all day long.
Let's face it guys, both cars are more car than most of us can realistically use on the road and much more than we can use on the track. I'd chose the good looking, reliable car with a real warranty from a real company.
Let's face it guys, both cars are more car than most of us can realistically use on the road and much more than we can use on the track. I'd chose the good looking, reliable car with a real warranty from a real company.
Sounds like the turbo install and tuning, nothing inherently wrong with the car nor the engine. If you don't properly tune or install a hose clamp, then any car can be considered un-reliable.
What's with these broad sweeping generalizations?
You are saying because ONE NSX owner crashed his supercharged NSX, that most or all NSX owners can't handle the power. And since you have a 514 whp GTO, does that mean you can handle the power and/or makes you an authority on who can and cannot handle those power and weight levels? So what about the fact that I drive a 589 whp/521 ft-lbs NSX that weights in a touch over 3,000 lbs? I'm an NSX owner that can handle the power/weight level beyond your GTO, the R8, and the Noble/Rossion. Shouldn't that negate or balance the fact that someone wrecked a CTSC NSX? And based on your rationale, since I beat your power to weight ratio, shouldn't that make me more of an authority on who can and who can't handle what levels of power and weight?More sweeping generalizations.
I own an NSX. I don't have kids. People don't buy cars expecting to crash. If they did, then they shouldn't buy either car. In fact, based on your rationale, no NSX owner should even own or drive a motorcycle. People understand that sometimes other factors (such as performance) trump things like safety. Otherwise, why even drive a GTO or NSX then? Buy a much safer Honda Minivan instead.The fact is, neither car has been crash tested, so you can't make any claims that one car is safer than the other. There haven't been enough produced of either car, nor actual crash data or fatality information to make any substaniated claims. Your statements on the safety of the two cars compared to each other are merely complely subjective and opinion.
If you are "given" either one, does that mean you have to keep it forever or give it back when you are done?
If not, then how does purchase vs. gift have anything to do with resale/depreciation? You still own the thing and if you own it, aren't you allowed to sell it? Having a hard time comprehending the logic.
Meaning, if I had to cough up my own hard earned money, I'm going to pick the more economically rational car. However, if I were given either car, I'm assuming that you basically are given the car until the end of the life of the car or your own, then I'll take the car I think I'll have more fun with. I think that assumption because otherwise I'd take the more expensive car, the R8, and sell it immediately and take the cash.
One case factors in overall value, the other primarily looks at fun factor.
Cool! :smile:
Sooo.... ??? Which one would you take given both scenarios? Inquiring minds want to know!! :biggrin:
The only thing he saw was this.
He is completely delusional. His comments come from nowhere and lead to nowhere...and are usually about him.
He is completely delusional. His comments come from nowhere and lead to nowhere...and are usually about him.
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