What's Your Greateast Fear

Although getting old probably sucks I certainly don't like the alternative of dying young.

Never really considered that as an alternative. After many trips visiting my parents in assisted living facilities, and not finding any alternatives (unless you don't mind be a burden on your children - which I do), I just never want to be in one, but will probably end up in one. Scares the hell out of me.
 
I would think more people would fear finding out there actually is...

I dont think too many people would be disappointed (or any other emotion since they would be worm food at that point) with a lack of afterlife

Well since we would be worm food, is that worm food in heaven or hell. I'M NOT SAYING I DONT believe in either, just people can be full of decietful intentions.;)
 
Re: What's Your Greateast Fear - Other Than Politics and religion :)

Maybe I should have known better. I changed the title to keep it politely intellectual.
 

Same here.

I also really fear those things that directly affect my life and family that I have absolutely no control over.

Edit - Another thing I fear is being falsely accused and/or found guilty/imprisoned for a crime that I did not commit.
 
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Never really considered that as an alternative.


Acceptance of the way things are that can not be changed leaves no other alternative. Sure it would be nice to never get old but that's just not possible. We need to work within the rhelm of reality. I actually think a lot of people, maybe I'm wrong, feel by the time they get old there will be a cure for aging or death and that they won't have to die. Think of someone with the resources like steve jobs had, Im sure it extended his life substantially but it still didnt omit him. Someone I know is über wealthy and has himself flown on a Lear jet to another city for experimental treatments not covered by insurance, he is over 100 years old at this point. Someone without his resources would have died many years ago.

Here's a scary thought for ya.... There really are only a few ways to die, accident, illness or worse by someone elses hands or stupid mistake. What else is there? Sure natural causes but how often does someone die laying in a nice warm bed surrounded by family? Usually it's in a hospital if you make it that far, usually your uncomfortable, and I'm sure a great percentage of people think they are gonna pull through and don't. I would guess the moment someone wants more life is the moment they know they have the least left.

In fact recently I was very ill. I lost 26 pounds, didnt eat for a week, couldn't swallow for two days, 105 temp, cold sweats, back pain like I have NEVER experienced before. Went to four different hospitals. Not to be overly dramatic but I was thinking, well that's it....45 years is all I'm getting, won't get to see the girls grow up, won't get to live on a boat at some point in the future, it was scary to say the least. But the part that I had trouble accepting was that I would go out uncomfortable, hungry, unshaven, that I wouldn't "get better" the whole not on my terms thing I guess. Ultimately control is fantasy.

Recently my stepfather died at 61. My wife talked to him just a day prior, he was fine. The next day he was in ICU tubes down his throat, chin strapped down, all kinds of machines beeping and although he was in a coma he had a terrified look on his face. 61 is young IMO, but at least it wasnt at 40 years old mashed in a puddle of mud after a fatal fall off a roof or at 20 years old with steering wheel poke through his chest. But ultimately what would he or anyone die from? IMO It's rare that someone makes it into their 80s or 90's. From what I've observed usually people who make it that far actually do go out in their sleep, peacefully.

I have a friend who is currently 88 years old and in great shape, in fact he just bought a new car last week. IMO his secret to longevity is litterally zero stress. I've known him all my life. I have never seen him once raise his voice or get upset, lose his patience, etc.

A dear friend of mine checked out, wow..... Over a year ago, seems like yesterday. He was having a great day at an event with his family, he was 73. Didn't feel well. Went home, sat down in his recliner and had a heart attack. He had never been to a doctor his entire life. He always said when he went that's exactly the way he wanted to go, no muss no fuss just BAM. I think it's why he never went to the doctor. He didn't want to know if something was wrong. Another friend, 54, was grilling on the 4th of July went inside sat down in his recliner and had a heart attack also. Both of them would LOL if they heard me say, the moral of the story, don't own a recliner.

Anyways Hal's post gives me great hope. Active with his teenage kids at 59. I too waited until my 40's to have children, first one at 42 to be exact. I hope to make it to 59 and bike with my teenagers as well.

The other day I was on wiki and reading about all the US presidents. If used as a sample group the percentage of them who lived past 80 is REALLY low? Interestingly enough there were 4 that lived past 80 within the first 10 that served. The next 34 only had 7 including still living. From a percentage stand point the second group is almost half of the first group. Take into account that medical technology has improved drastically since the first ten and it still makes no sense. Over the entire group of 44, 25% lived past 80 years. Take into account the stress which comes with the job and maybe the general population can add another ~5%, giving you a 30% chance of living past 80? I bet if you asked 44 people if they thought they would live past 80 the percentage that answered yes would be a lot higher than 30%, many would be wrong.

I'm gonna live forever, so far, so good. :smile:
I can't remember who's quote it is but I have always liked it.
 
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My father had a serious stroke that left him a prisoner in his own body without the ability to do anything for himself including speak at age 75.
When he had the stroke, we were told he had between 2 hours and 2 days to live. He lived over 5 years in that serious health situation.. Eventually he lost the ability to swallow. With a DNR in place, it then took him 6.5 weeks to die.

I am scared that this could happen not only to me but to anyone else in the world.
 
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Here is a link to information on presidents. According to this information you have a ~13% chance of dying from old age and a ~10% chance of being shot....according to this site 75% of that 10% died from MD error (probing for projectiles) That leaves a 77% chance of dying from disease. According to the link stroke is pretty high on the list.

http://www.diplom.org/manus/Presidents/faq/causes.html
 
My father had a serious stroke that left him a prisoner in his own body without the ability to do anything for himself including speak at age 75.
When he had the stroke, we were told he had between 2 hours and 2 days to live. He lived over 5 years in that serious health situation.. Eventually he lost the ability to swallow. With a DNR in place, it then took him 6.5 weeks to die.

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I'm really sorry. That is very sad.:frown:
 
Re: What's Your Greateast Fear - Other Than Politics and religion :)

Maybe I should have known better. I changed the title to keep it politely intellectual.

Ok, intellectual.:smile:
That i may never be able to afford another car that puts a smile on my face like my nsx. Having a stroke or aneursym and nobody to come see about me(assuming i outlive my wife), i have no brothers or sisters.
 
Losing my intellect. Alzheimer's is the worst. I'd gladly sacrifice everything else as long as I can keep my wits about me.


That, and tigers.
 
Reading through above is a little eye opening.
A lot of fear about old age, illness, and death.
If that's your fear, what's your game plan?

One could argue, you could probably almost pack more living into a well planned year than most will experience in a poorly planned life.

Most people around me, myself included, seem to only work and nothing else. I have a few bits of fun at work with my coworkers, and some light fun on the weekends, and one vacation a year but other than that, I feel I'm missing out. Maybe time to tweak things a bit?
 
Here's a scary thought for ya.... There really are only a few ways to die, accident, illness or worse by someone elses hands or stupid mistake. What else is there?.

By your own choice. After spending months visiting assisted living facilities, and seeing the sadness and hopelessness there, my wife and I have decided that when we reach the point where we can no longer take care of ourselves we will grab a bottle of our favorite wine (it makes us giddy and then we both fall into deep sleep), seal off the garage and start the engines. No muss - no fuss and we both go out together. Sounds lovely and not uncomfortable at all. But that's for another day. For now, we love every chance we get and try to remember tomorrow is promised to no one.
 
By your own choice. After spending months visiting assisted living facilities, and seeing the sadness and hopelessness there, my wife and I have decided that when we reach the point where we can no longer take care of ourselves we will grab a bottle of our favorite wine (it makes us giddy and then we both fall into deep sleep), seal off the garage and start the engines. No muss - no fuss and we both go out together. Sounds lovely and not uncomfortable at all. But that's for another day. For now, we love every chance we get and try to remember tomorrow is promised to no one.

Sounds nice but in reality both of you will most likely not get sick at the same time. One of you will end up taking care of the other and presenting hope where deep down you will know there is none.

However I knew a lady who was a single mother waitress, pretty, nice, but tired of working a crap job and dreaming of a nice guy she thought she would never meet. As luck would have it, her knight in shinning armor swept her off her feet before she lost her good looks and grind of life had its chance to wash away her sweet personality. The two of them were married in NY. He quickly sold all of his belongings and house, they moved to Florida. Three days after moving into their new life and home he dropped dead while sleeping. Three days later my friend, the waitresses son, found his mother behind the wheel of their new caddy dead in the garage, she was 35.
 
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I'm afraid of cancer, or losing all I have due to some dumb mistake and Chuck Norris.
 
Reading through above is a little eye opening.
A lot of fear about old age, illness, and death.
If that's your fear, what's your game plan?

One could argue, you could probably almost pack more living into a well planned year than most will experience in a poorly planned life.

Most people around me, myself included, seem to only work and nothing else. I have a few bits of fun at work with my coworkers, and some light fun on the weekends, and one vacation a year but other than that, I feel I'm missing out. Maybe time to tweak things a bit?

This makes the most sense from what I have read here so far. I lived there in Glen Allen (west end) for almost 5 years a couple of years back. Nice place to raise a family, great weather and roads, beaches 2hours east, mountains 2hours west, everyone is nice,
works hard and saves up but few really let themselves go.
I retired, had good health, for now and decided to tweak as you say. Moved to NYC area, started spending some of my hard earned $$ on vacations abroad, more time with the grown kids and wife, bought a Lambo (just to enjoy a different fun - looking for a newer NSX), studying other cultures and working on a bucket list now instead of when old and sick. Best move I ever made. Of course this wasn't possible until the kid's were earning on thier own! :biggrin:
Writing this today from our flat in London looking out at two F-cars parked on
the street. I think we are having Persian food tonight, I dunno?
Anyway, if you can ............... Do It "Now!"
 
This makes the most sense from what I have read here so far. I lived there in Glen Allen (west end) for almost 5 years a couple of years back. Nice place to raise a family, great weather and roads, beaches 2hours east, mountains 2hours west, everyone is nice,
works hard and saves up but few really let themselves go.
I retired, had good health, for now and decided to tweak as you say. Moved to NYC area, started spending some of my hard earned $$ on vacations abroad, more time with the grown kids and wife, bought a Lambo (just to enjoy a different fun - looking for a newer NSX), studying other cultures and working on a bucket list now instead of when old and sick. Best move I ever made. Of course this wasn't possible until the kid's were earning on thier own! :biggrin:
Writing this today from our flat in London looking out at two F-cars parked on
the street. I think we are having Persian food tonight, I dunno?
Anyway, if you can ............... Do It "Now!"

Cheers.
 
This is a depressing thread, but one of extreme importance. These things need to be considered by all of us. Makes Dr. Kervorkian look better all the time.
Thanks to those with such thoughtful posts.
 
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