What is APPLE planning?

[NetViper]

The iPad is dead. It's killer is the Surface. The Street thinks so too. AAPL has lost 100 points in the last month. It will sink further as those poorly built iPhone 5s start falling apart and Android and Windows 8 phones gain market share.

I am very interested in surface if for no other reason than I can run ALL my windows programs on it. (not RT version).

That is pretty powerful. Photoshop, Office etc. very nice. Sure it probably wont run photoshop very well, but at least i could do it if I was in a jam.

Then again, it has pretty limited space and I understand the OS takes up A LOT of the space.

Still like my iPad, but it is still a toy and not a real work device.

 

[NSXrebel]

The iPad is dead. It's killer is the Surface. The Street thinks so too. AAPL has lost 100 points in the last month. It will sink further as those poorly built iPhone 5s start falling apart and Android and Windows 8 phones gain market share.

Is that you Steve?

 

[flaminio]

Is that you Steve?

He sure does sweat, doesn't he :biggrin:

 

[Hugh]

I am very interested in surface if for no other reason than I can run ALL my windows programs on it. (not RT version).

The Surface with Windows 8 Pro will run anything that you can currently run in Windows 7.

That means real programs Apple fanboys, not lame little "apps". Since about 90% of the world's desktops use Windows, it's only now a matter of time.

Think of the iPad as Native Americans, think of the Surface and its similar tablets as the Colonists coming over from Europe. It will be slow at the beginning but in a relatively short time the slaughter will commence.

 

[Arshad]

Remember that Tablets running "FULL OS's" have been around forever -- long before the iPad ever came along. They didn't make a dent because the user experience SUCKED.

I think it'll be moderately successful because of Win8, but I'll be extremely surprised if it gains significant market share. Let's hope it doesn't go the way of the Zune 2-3 years from now.

 

[kookoo4nsx]

My windows 7 professional HP Laptop does the blue screen thing now and then, screen freeze about every month and it is prone to viruses. In the years I have had an apple imac and ipad 1 and 3, no virus, virus scanning or blue screen or locked.

That being said, for business running word apps or spreadsheets Microsoft will probably make some inroads. WTF took Mistersoftee 3 years??????????

 

[Hugh]

My windows 7 professional HP Laptop does the blue screen thing now and then, screen freeze about every month and it is prone to viruses.

Blue screens of death (BSOD) are often caused by hardware issues. Bad memory is the most frequent culprit.

If you're getting viruses then you're either visiting porn, pirate or torrent sites.

I use Malwarebytes Anti-Malware in conjunction with ESET Nod 32 Antivirus 5 and have had no problems in a long long time.

 

[NSXrebel]

Blue screens of death (BSOD) are often caused by hardware issues. Bad memory is the most frequent culprit.

If you're getting viruses then you're either visiting porn, pirate or torrent sites.

I use Malwarebytes Anti-Malware in conjunction with ESET Nod 32 Antivirus 5 and have had no problems in a long long time.

You don't have to be visiting porn, pirate or torrent sites to get malware.

 

[kookoo4nsx]

I wonder what Microsofts price will be for Office, photoshop, acrobat etc?
That alone could double the price and use up lots of Ram and SD drive.
You simply cannot run MSFT programs on 2 gigs of ram.

Tech crunch did a surface review and pretty much hated the tablet. We will all know 12 months from now.

 

[Russ]

Remember that Tablets running "FULL OS's" have been around forever -- long before the iPad ever came along. They didn't make a dent because the user experience SUCKED.

I think it'll be moderately successful because of Win8, but I'll be extremely surprised if it gains significant market share. Let's hope it doesn't go the way of the Zune 2-3 years from now.

I can't even get begin to imagine the pain of using Microsoft Word on a tablet.

 

[flaminio]

I can't even get begin to imagine the pain of using Microsoft Word on a tablet.

It might not be so bad on a Surface, with the keyboard attached. I'll find out tomorrow when I get mine.

 

[NetViper]

Survey says half iPad owners are angry at Apple for releasing fourth-gen iPad so soon.

http://bgr.com/2012/10/25/apple-ipad-4-consumer-reaction-survey-toluna-quicksurveys/

Sounds like if Apple had just updated the connector as speculated, nobody would have cared, but upgrading the rest pisses people off.

This is my first apple purchase and I feel ripped off having the bastard child iPad that has been wiped off their website completely.

 

[bngl3rt]

This is my first apple purchase and I feel ripped off having the bastard child iPad that has been wiped off their website completely.

I never understood this mentality. Just because you can't go out and buy a new unit of the same model you already have... how does that affect your day to day interactions with the product?

It will still receive software updates for a number of years, expanding its capabilities beyond what you originally paid for. It is still able to load new content and apps that haven't even been created yet.

"Discontinued" doesn't mean "unsupported." It's not like they flipped the magical kill switch to make your iPad stop working just because there's a newer one available.

That is, if you're buying it to actually use it. If you bought it as a status/luxury/fashion item where having the latest thing is very important then the only advice I can give is don't do that with technology.

Were people who bought a 2001 NSX new mad that the facelift came out in 02?

 

[NetViper]

I never understood this mentality. Just because you can't go out and buy a new unit of the same model you already have... how does that affect your day to day interactions with the product?

It will still receive software updates for a number of years, expanding its capabilities beyond what you originally paid for. It is still able to load new content and apps that haven't even been created yet.

"Discontinued" doesn't mean "unsupported." It's not like they flipped the magical kill switch to make your iPad stop working just because there's a newer one available.

That is, if you're buying it to actually use it. If you bought it as a status/luxury/fashion item where having the latest thing is very important then the only advice I can give is don't do that with technology.

It's very simple actually. Apple uses a one-year product cycle. You buy something and expect it to be the best they offer for a year.

If they want to play the 6-month game, fine -- but let people know so they don't get upset when their brand new tablet is outdated.

 

[bngl3rt]

It's very simple actually. Apple uses a one-year product cycle. You buy something and expect it to be the best they offer for a year.

If they want to play the 6-month game, fine -- but let people know so they don't get upset when their brand new tablet is outdated.

They never explicitly committed to any product cycle. Don't mistake a pattern for a promise.

What about the actual, day-to-day experience of the product changes as a result of its being "outdated"? Are there really people whose primary avenue of deriving satisfaction from the product is whether it's the best one currently available?

 

[NetViper]

Are there really people whose primary avenue of deriving satisfaction from the product is whether it's the best one currently available?

Are you honestly saying that when we are talking about people who buy apple products. Seriously? Have you ever seen that huge line of sheep outside a store. Is there really anything wrong with their current iphones?

 

[bngl3rt]

Are you honestly saying that when we are talking about people who buy apple products. Seriously? Have you ever seen that huge line of sheep outside a store. Is there really anything wrong with their current phones?

I don't know if there's anything wrong with their phones. I'm not saying people aren't allowed to buy anything they don't absolutely need...

I've just never understood the indignant upgrade fever with Apple stuff in particular. Do Thinkpad owners get angry when Lenovo releases a new version of their laptop? Or do they just keep using it until it's ACTUALLY obsolete, i.e. too old/slow to run modern software or clearly inferior to the available alternatives.

 

[bngl3rt]

Heck, we're having this argument on a forum dedicated to the ownership of and enthusiasm for a car that, while technically "obsolete", still provides a great experience to its owner. The fact that we're here alone shows we understand the difference between "discontinued" and "no longer useful"...

 

[NetViper]

I don't know if there's anything wrong with their phones. I'm not saying people aren't allowed to buy anything they don't absolutely need...

I've just never understood the indignant upgrade fever with Apple stuff in particular. Do Thinkpad owners get angry when Lenovo releases a new version of their laptop? Or do they just keep using it until it's ACTUALLY obsolete, i.e. too old/slow to run modern software or clearly inferior to the available alternatives.

No, I don't think thinkpad owners feel that way, or pc owners for that matter.

For some reason people always want the latest and greatest phones and tablets. I include myself in that category. Nobody needs an iPad4, or 3 or mini or anything else. They just want them.

 

[flaminio]

Do Thinkpad owners get angry when Lenovo releases a new version of their laptop?

Maybe not owners, but IT staff does. Some time ago Lenovo changed the power connector for ThinkPads. That meant that my entire stock of spare power adapters would not work with then new ThinkPads, and I had to buy a bunch of new ones for new deployments rather than using my legacy adapters.

Apple pulled the same stunt with the MagSafe/MagSafe2 connectors.

There's also the issue of imaging. I would like to maintain a static image for laptop deployment, but when the models change every six months (and the components inside change every three months), it's just not practical.

 

[NSXrebel]

I never understood this mentality. Just because you can't go out and buy a new unit of the same model you already have... how does that affect your day to day interactions with the product?

It will still receive software updates for a number of years, expanding its capabilities beyond what you originally paid for. It is still able to load new content and apps that haven't even been created yet.

"Discontinued" doesn't mean "unsupported." It's not like they flipped the magical kill switch to make your iPad stop working just because there's a newer one available.

That is, if you're buying it to actually use it. If you bought it as a status/luxury/fashion item where having the latest thing is very important then the only advice I can give is don't do that with technology.

Were people who bought a 2001 NSX new mad that the facelift came out in 02?

They never explicitly committed to any product cycle. Don't mistake a pattern for a promise.

What about the actual, day-to-day experience of the product changes as a result of its being "outdated"? Are there really people whose primary avenue of deriving satisfaction from the product is whether it's the best one currently available?

Heck, we're having this argument on a forum dedicated to the ownership of and enthusiasm for a car that, while technically "obsolete", still provides a great experience to its owner. The fact that we're here alone shows we understand the difference between "discontinued" and "no longer useful"...

+1 to ALL this.

For what it's worth, some Apple stores are exchanging iPad 3's purchased in the last 30 days.

On a similar note, Android phones are constantly being "upgraded", or new ones being released on what seems to be a weekly/monthly basis. Do those people bitch about a new phone/tablet coming out and their "old" phones/tablets being obsolete? I don't frequent Android boards, so I can't comment on that, but I do know that we don't hear about it on tech blogs like we do ANYTHING Apple.

 

[NetViper]

On a similar note, Android phones are constantly being "upgraded", or new ones being released on what seems to be a weekly/monthly basis. Do those people bitch about a new phone/tablet coming out and their "old" phones/tablets being obsolete? I don't frequent Android boards, so I can't comment on that, but I do know that we don't hear about it on tech blogs like we do ANYTHING Apple.

You are 100% correct on android, BUT it is expected in the android world. There is a better android phone being launched every month it seems.

It isn't that way with Apple and that is why people are upset.

 

[Jin1976]

I will skip a generation or two when upgrading my iPhone and iPad. My current 4S and iPad 3 are enough my daily usage. Still learning on using MBA coming from PC. For me Apple products speak quality and I don't mind they do not have all the things that Android or Windows have.

 

[bngl3rt]

I will skip a generation or two when upgrading my iPhone and iPad. My current 4S and iPad 3 are enough my daily usage. Still learning on using MBA coming from PC. For me Apple products speak quality and I don't mind they do not have all the things that Android or Windows have.

Ditto... Both of my Macs are 2010 models. They work great and are a pleasure to use so no sense replacing them.

 

[NetViper]

http://bgr.com/2012/10/25/apple-q4-2012-earnings/

BUSINESS October 25, 2012 at 4:32 PM by Zach Epstein
Apple (AAPL) has been getting clobbered on Wall Street lately. The stock hit a record high of $705.07 just after the iPhone 5 launched, but it has tumbled more than 13% since then and closed at $609.80 on Thursday. Apple is still far more profitable than any other consumer electronics company in the world, but Wall Street analysts’ sky high expectations have pummeled the company’s share price. For the September quarter, the Street expected Apple to earn $8.81 per share on revenue totaling $35.8 billion, much higher than Apple’s fiscal fourth-quarter EPS guidance of $7.65 and revenue guidance of $34 billion. The numbers are now in, and Apple missed expectations despite the record-setting iPhone 5 launch, reporting a profit of $8.67 per share on $36 billion in sales.

Apple posted a big miss in the fiscal fourth quarter last year, earning $7.05 per share while analysts were expecting $7.29.

Where device shipments are concerned, analysts’ Q4 2012 consensus had Apple moving 25.3 million iPhones, 15.3 million iPads, 5.5 million iPods and 5 million Mac computers. The company reported selling 26.9 million iPhones, topping estimates, but iPad sales totaling 14 million units missed big. Apple also said it sold 5.3 million iPods in the quarter, down 19% year-over-year, and 4.9 million Macs, up 1% over the same quarter in 2011.

For the December quarter, analysts were looking for sky-high earnings guidance of $15.45 per share on $54.9 billion in revenue. Apple expects revenue to total $52 billion during the holiday quarter, however, and EPS is expected to come in at $11.75.