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I'm sorry but a header built correctly avoids cutting structural componets on a car.

Apparently they overspent on time, energy, and money to route around other objects in the engine bay. They make the exhaust gases travel a different path...and buyers get to help pay for their extra R&D.

Your supposed to spend time, energy and money when designing parts for a car... THEN YOU TEST FIT THEM... AND CHANGE THE JIG

headers built correctly are exspensive... your correct

your headers arent built correctly - cheap

dont dance around that...

and this post isnt bashing... I'm correcting your sales pitch lieing for those that cant determine that on their own... and no more then the fact you mentioned parts built correctly wasted time, energy and money.

you sell a cost effective part cuz it doesnt fit... not cuz your path is shorter... the collector was welded incorrectly.... the pipe that requires the cut should be above the pipe its below.

Why cant you just say the price reflects a mistake... you gotta say a mistake represents a performance gain.... cheap or not... it's still peoples money


Yes, you are bashing...because we're a competitor. That makes you look low...like a mud-slinging politician. I'll refrain from stooping to that level...except to mention that your grammar needs much work.

Calling our products "cheap" is a cheap shot. Just because they are reasonably priced does not mean they are "cheap".

Over the years that we have produced, carried, and sold these NSX headers, we have had NUMEROUS very happily satisfied customers! Like Honda, if we ever have an issue, mistake, human error, defective batch (whatever you want to call it or what the case may be), we take care of it and do right by the customer so swiftly that it is a barely noticeable blip on the radar. When we make a mistake, we admit it, and do what's right.

Is it possible that a gig on our production line got knocked, bumped, or dropped? You bet! Sh!t happens. You address it, fix it, and move on.

Our products represent a more cost efficient option in a market where many parts are priced by someone high on crack thinking that just because someone can afford an NSX they must have money...and those companies want a big chunk of that. Many of us in the NSX community are sick of that attitude. It comes from sellers who are either greedy or "mark-up middle men" distributors. Top Speed Auto is a manufacturer...not a middleman.

I have an eleven year banking and finance career...with now two years in marketing and promotions. I know a crap-load about cars from previous stints working in the automotive field and working on my own cars, but I am NOT an automotive mechanical engineer. Are you?!? I did not design these. They are made the way they are for many reasons.

The explanation I stated was what I was provided from the designer at the factory. They chose to route the pipes that way. Sure, it may have been in an effort to keep costs down, but our headers do fit great and do offer a clear performance gain for a cost-minded owner. Are they perfect? No...but then neither are any of us...and neither is every product on the market "perfect".

Beyond that...hate to burst your bubble, but occasionally, when adding a non-OEM part to a car, some alteration of the original structure does occur. Study some race car history.

In the future, I suggest you think twice about calling someone a liar (learn to spell, by the way)...especially when doing so while hiding behind a computer.


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+1 and why not put the o2 sensor bung on the collector and not on one of the runners so the ECU can monitor all cylinders and not just one? :)

+10000, fix/correct the jig & O2 sensor bank & you'll have a solid product instead of having cases of you get what you paid for.

Duly noted.

FWIW. I have top speed headers and the fitment was fine, no cutting required on my 91. Had them a year and half and about 5K miles....no problems.

I have over 30,000 miles on my headers which I installed on April 15, 2008. They fit as perfectly as they have performed.

Perhaps they made an error in later builds, but mine have always been fine.

Thank you for your support.

I thought these were also branded OBX, if so they are sold at ssaccessories.com for a lot less and the description states " no modification required for instalation".( price is under $400)
Can anyone chime in on OBX headers (fitment, o2 sensor positioning, quality, CA smog, etc). Maybe we can contact ssaccessories.com and get a group buy started.

These are not OBX headers.

We DO produce products for some very well-known competing brand companies out there that many of you have heard of. We make products for them, they re-brand them as "theirs", double/triple/quadruple the price, then sell against us.

It's actually funny when someone asks why they should buy ours verses "XYZ" brand...or worse yet, compare the two...and I have to bite my tongue...or risk loosing a production contract. I wish I could tell a customer, "Uh...that competitor's product that costs twice or more what ours cost...is actually OURS. We made it for them."

But I can't...

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Standard group buy form compliance added.


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how on earth did I miss this...


1) Yes, you are bashing...because we're a competitor. That makes you look low...like a mud-slinging politician. I'll refrain from stooping to that level...except to mention that your grammar needs much work.

Calling our products "cheap" is a cheap shot. Just because they are reasonably priced does not mean they are "cheap".

2) if we ever have an issue, mistake, human error, defective batch (whatever you want to call it or what the case may be), we take care of it and do right by the customer so swiftly that it is a barely noticeable blip on the radar. When we make a mistake, we admit it, and do what's right.

3) Is it possible that a gig on our production line got knocked, bumped, or dropped? You bet! Sh!t happens. You address it, fix it, and move on.


4) I did not design these. They are made the way they are for many reasons.

5) The explanation I stated was what I was provided from the designer at the factory. They chose to route the pipes that way. Sure, it may have been in an effort to keep costs down, but our headers do fit great and do offer a clear performance gain for a cost-minded owner. Are they perfect? No...but then neither are any of us...and neither is every product on the market "perfect".

6) Beyond that...hate to burst your bubble, but occasionally, when adding a non-OEM part to a car, some alteration of the original structure does occur. Study some race car history.

In the future, I suggest you think twice about calling someone a liar (learn to spell, by the way)...especially when doing so while hiding behind a computer.


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1) your products are worse then cheap.. they are cheap, don’t fit, and I’ve personally seen multiple sets of top speed cracked headers... I could care less about grammar if my point is made.

2) put the mop away and grab your swiffer then... do you think the poster that said "yeah.. make em fit and fix the o2 bung" is one of your happy customers

3) then you don’t know how to make a jig... jigs make parts... make jigs that don’t break, bend, or change in anyway

4) I design all the parts I have ever made... you should be happy you didn’t design your headers

5) like 12 companies made these that fit... your designer (my guess is a buyer of wholesale lots of parts deemed worthless cuz they don’t fit) is bad at design

6) yo.... I would like to discuss that "hide behind your computer" comment in person... how can we make that happen?

we talk about all the other below the belt comments at the same meeting
 
Dude Stmpo, can you stop degrading just about every vendor thread to the point of no one wanting to participate? Its really childish and honestly I don't care the level of quality of parts you may produce. I'd never buy from you b/c you're constantly on here trying to start shit... what's that say about your character? It speaks volumes. And this whole "Meet me at the jungle gym at 2pm" crap is really fucking stupid. Grow up. :rolleyes: If this is how you treat your fellow vendors, God knows how you treat your customers should there be any issues with your products... (oh wait nevermind all stmpo products are *perfect* I forgot!) :rolleyes:

I'm here to help this vendor improve his product not talk shit about how much they suck or how my products are sooooooooo much better... are we in the 3rd grade here?
 
Dude Stmpo, can you stop degrading just about every vendor thread to the point of no one wanting to participate? Its really childish and honestly I don't care the level of quality of parts you may produce. I'd never buy from you b/c you're constantly on here trying to start shit... what's that say about your character? It speaks volumes. And this whole "Meet me at the jungle gym at 2pm" crap is really fucking stupid. Grow up. :rolleyes: If this is how you treat your fellow vendors, God knows how you treat your customers should there be any issues with your products... (oh wait nevermind all stmpo products are *perfect* I forgot!) :rolleyes:

I'm here to help this vendor improve his product not talk shit about how much they suck or how my products are sooooooooo much better... are we in the 3rd grade here?

You need to grow up... realize "hide behind your computer" is the first blow.

don't talk about my character without knowing me either... even a third grader should know that

why is it that if something’s broken or doesn’t work as advertised everyone is supposed to shut up and let it happen.

If its falsely advertised... be thankful people arent buying it

if your such a "community guy"... while do you let people rip off the community.

people were forced to act and lost money on the bung issue... and to say "there is a performance gain so you have to cut your cars structural components" is bullshit.

news flash - I don’t push parts anymore... I could care less if you would, wouldn’t, talk someone out of, or anything similar about what STMPO offers.
 
Moral of the story: spend the extra $ to get better fitment and no smog issues (CT headers etc)

keep in mind folks you will NOT pass smog in CA with the 95+ headers as the o2 sensor is only able to monitor ONE cylinder (not all 3 from the front bank) so it tells the ECU that the engine is running lean when it is not which causes the ECU to adjust fuel mixture and makes the car run rich......... this is based on my experience. I had these and switched to CT and always passed smog.

+1 and why not put the o2 sensor bung on the collector and not on one of the runners so the ECU can monitor all cylinders and not just one? :)


Dude Stmpo, can you stop degrading just about every vendor thread to the point of no one wanting to participate? Its really childish and honestly I don't care the level of quality of parts you may produce. I'd never buy from you b/c you're constantly on here trying to start shit... what's that say about your character? It speaks volumes. And this whole "Meet me at the jungle gym at 2pm" crap is really fucking stupid. Grow up. :rolleyes: If this is how you treat your fellow vendors, God knows how you treat your customers should there be any issues with your products... (oh wait nevermind all stmpo products are *perfect* I forgot!) :rolleyes:

I'm here to help this vendor improve his product not talk shit about how much they suck or how my products are sooooooooo much better... are we in the 3rd grade here?

you have just confused the hell out of me ... your pumping ct headers on a top speed thread.... you obviously spent $ twice with down time on header installation, you agreed with my advice to the vendor as I was stating "your product should fit", the guy says im hiding behind my computer and I say " no im not "... then you jump on my products and my character.

I never even made headers... where do you see that... why do you feel the need to throw blows at the person defending his character... I was attempting to improve his product on my post you agreed with

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...your products are worse then cheap.. they are cheap, don’t fit, and I’ve personally seen multiple sets of top speed cracked headers... I could care less about grammar if my point is made.

Our products are reasonably priced because they don't include a FAT "NSX tax" mark-up!

Hmmm...so it's YOUR job to save the world from our horrible products?!? Why do you seem so hell-bent on trashing our products? Don't you have something more constructive to do with you time?

Trust me, I can cite MANY, MANY more happy customers than the "multiple sets" you claim are ours that were defective.

Like any diligent company striving for customer satisfaction...if we dicover a product defect, we fix it.

yo.... I would like to discuss that "hide behind your computer" comment in person... how can we make that happen?

we talk about all the other below the belt comments at the same meeting

Are you "calling me out" to go "meet after school" somewhere?

REALLY?!?!?!?

(....now I'm gonna have to go research just how old you are....geez!)


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Dude Stmpo, can you stop degrading just about every vendor thread to the point of no one wanting to participate? Its really childish and honestly I don't care the level of quality of parts you may produce. I'd never buy from you b/c you're constantly on here trying to start shit... what's that say about your character? It speaks volumes. And this whole "Meet me at the jungle gym at 2pm" crap is really fucking stupid. Grow up. :rolleyes: If this is how you treat your fellow vendors, God knows how you treat your customers should there be any issues with your products... (oh wait nevermind all stmpo products are *perfect* I forgot!) :rolleyes:

I'm here to help this vendor improve his product not talk shit about how much they suck or how my products are sooooooooo much better... are we in the 3rd grade here?

+1 Thank you.

I was gonna go there, but...

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Like any diligent company striving for customer satisfaction...if we discover a product defect, we fix it..

1) Your fitment problem isn’t being fixed - your telling people to cut their car

2) adding an o2 bung to a header at the location of the collector is simple... if you actually make headers

3) twice on this thread you were made aware of this defect - duly noted was the response... not... we’re sorry... let me fix the problem asap


Are you "calling me out" to go "meet after school" somewhere?

REALLY?!?!?!?

(....now I'm gonna have to go research just how old you are....geez!)


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I'm sorry... we must think "hide behind your computer" means two completely different things...

I believe it to mean "I don’t have the balls to look someone in the face and say the things I typed..."

you believe it as ____________________________________________

+1 Thank you.

I was gonna go there, but...

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http://www.nsxprime.com/forum/member.php?u=19930

go there....
 
Ross: I'm gonna end this childishness right now and just let you stew. You want to argue and bicker... I'm moving on.

If you want to comment further, please do so AFTER you start producing headers for the NSX.

I've said my piece, dead horses are no fun to beat on, and I really have better things to do with my time.

Mods: Can this thread, about a group buy, be cleaned up in some way? If this continues, it's only gonna get ugly...and I refuse to participate.


PS to all: For past issues that may have been had with ANY of our parts, we do sincerely apologize. We are always working towards product perfection, so I assure all that any mistakes are being corrected.


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I like how everytime Ross calls someone out on their product they want the thread "cleaned up":rolleyes: Funny thing is after everything calms down usually the vendor fixes whatever Ross called them out on. :biggrin:
 
I like how everytime Ross calls someone out on their product they want the thread "cleaned up":rolleyes: Funny thing is after everything calms down usually the vendor fixes whatever Ross called them out on. :biggrin:

Any past or current issues have been or are being rectified...Ross or no Ross.

The point of the thread clean-up is that childish bickering and bottom-feeder mud-slinging have no place on a mature high-line car forum.

By the way, what are you contributing here with that post?


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I like how everytime Ross calls someone out on their product they want the thread "cleaned up":rolleyes: Funny thing is after everything calms down usually the vendor fixes whatever Ross called them out on. :biggrin:

It was actually me who said brought up the o2 sensor bung issue (post #14) not Ross.... All hail the mighty Ross who knows how every part should be made and fabricated. He's a master fabricator! Every vendor should get the stmpo stamp of approval before it can be sold to the public. :rolleyes:

And no I never had to cut anything on my car when I had top speed headers. Now I have CT headers and I love them. does that mean I'm trying to get people to buy them? no.

Yes I did own Top Speed headers and failed smog due to the o2 sensor location as stated in post #14. I'm here to try and improve the products not talk trash and act like a baby and telling ppl to meet me in the school yard (Ross).

This isnt the first time he's trashed another vendors thread this and this isn't the last time. And I'm sure you've scared plenty of customers away with this type of unprofessional behavior.



I'm sorry but a header built correctly avoids cutting structural componets on a car.

Apparently they overspent on time, energy, and money to route around other objects in the engine bay. They make the exhaust gases travel a different path...and buyers get to help pay for their extra R&D.

Your supposed to spend time, energy and money when designing parts for a car... THEN YOU TEST FIT THEM... AND CHANGE THE JIG

headers built correctly are exspensive... your correct

your headers arent built correctly - cheap

dont dance around that...

and this post isnt bashing... I'm correcting your sales pitch lieing for those that cant determine that on their own... and no more then the fact you mentioned parts built correctly wasted time, energy and money.

you sell a cost effective part cuz it doesnt fit... not cuz your path is shorter... the collector was welded incorrectly.... the pipe that requires the cut should be above the pipe its below.

Why cant you just say the price reflects a mistake... you gotta say a mistake represents a performance gain.... cheap or not... it's still peoples money

+1 and why not put the o2 sensor bung on the collector and not on one of the runners so the ECU can monitor all cylinders and not just one? :)

EDIT: By the way I don't agree with Ross calling the vendor a LIAR (This is how you spell it correctly btw Ross)... But for the somewhat constructive criticism albeit in a condescending tone, I do agree that the product needs some help to which the vendor seems to be willing to fix. So Ross, give the guy a break and read a book.
 
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It was actually me who said brought up the o2 sensor bung issue (post #14) not Ross.... All hail the mighty Ross who knows how every part should be made and fabricated. He's a master fabricator! Every vendor should get the stmpo stamp of approval before it can be sold to the public. :rolleyes:

And no I never had to cut anything on my car when I had top speed headers. Now I have CT headers and I love them. does that mean I'm trying to get people to buy them? no.

Yes I did own Top Speed headers and failed smog due to the o2 sensor location as stated in post #14. I'm here to try and improve the products not talk trash and act like a baby and telling ppl to meet me in the school yard (Ross).

This isnt the first time he's trashed another vendors thread this and this isn't the last time. And I'm sure you've scared plenty of customers away with this type of unprofessional behavior.


+1 and why not put the o2 sensor bung on the collector and not on one of the runners so the ECU can monitor all cylinders and not just one? :)

EDIT: By the way I don't agree with Ross calling the vendor a LIAR (This is how you spell it correctly btw Ross)... But for the somewhat constructive criticism albeit in a condescending tone, I do agree that the product needs some help to which the vendor seems to be willing to fix. So Ross, give the guy a break and read a book.

Thank you for the input. We always appreciate constructive criticism and client feed-back. It helps us become better.


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And I'm sure you've scared plenty of customers away with this type of unprofessional behavior.



+1 and why not put the o2 sensor bung on the collector and not on one of the runners so the ECU can monitor all cylinders and not just one? :)

No it wouldn't be STMPO that scared me away from not buying a set. I was going to purchase a set of headers as I have been watching them from the beginning or early days some years ago. Aside from many happy customers, I saw some claimed incidents where the 91-94 styles cracked or there were one or two who had rubbing that occurred over time. I figured it was just a few bad batches or it was isolated to the 91-94 styles only.

It was about time to purchase the headers and do the install around fall time, but I was really turned off when the vendor blatantly states that you must cut/modify your frame in order for these headers to fit. However, I respect that he was honest in communicating this issue, even if there apparently is no other way to correct the fitment issue easily.

I respect the honesty, but this issue really deters me from considering the headers now. I guess I will either wait for the correction to be made or consider 97+ headers, the DC headers or just bite the bullet eventually and dish out big bucks...
 
No it wouldn't be STMPO that scared me away from not buying a set. I was going to purchase a set of headers as I have been watching them from the beginning or early days some years ago. Aside from many happy customers, I saw some claimed incidents where the 91-94 styles cracked or there were one or two who had rubbing that occurred over time. I figured it was just a few bad batches or it was isolated to the 91-94 styles only.

It was about time to purchase the headers and do the install around fall time, but I was really turned off when the vendor blatantly states that you must cut/modify your frame in order for these headers to fit. However, I respect that he was honest in communicating this issue, even if there apparently is no other way to correct the fitment issue easily.

I respect the honesty, but this issue really deters me from considering the headers now. I guess I will either wait for the correction to be made or consider 97+ headers, the DC headers or just bite the bullet eventually and dish out big bucks...

FYI I wasn't talking about Ross scaring customers away from this vendor.... I'm talking about who knows how many customers he's lost due to his harsh treatment of fellow primers. Its definitely not the path to success to be treating everyone with disdain and fervor (Unless they agree with him of course)

Anyways back on topic about these headers and the vendor!
 
...just to clarify...is Topspeed going to address the 'fitment' issue and the 02 bung issue in the current or the next batch?

When this is done please PM me and I will consider a set (based in UK).

Thanks

SS
 
...just to clarify...is Topspeed going to address the 'fitment' issue and the 02 bung issue in the current or the next batch?

When this is done please PM me and I will consider a set (based in UK).

Thanks

SS

Someone already asked that question in this thread. The response for the 02 sensor was: "Duly noted".

The fitment response was: "Ours are designed for a smooth, most direct (shortest path available) flow. They make theirs, we make ours. Apparently they overspent on time, energy, and money to route around other objects in the engine bay. They make the exhaust gases travel a different path...and buyers get to help pay for their extra R&D.

To avoid a small 1/2" notch cut, you spend an extra $800 for the same part."

So, no to both your questions.
 
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