Top gear bashes NSX

[Gansan]

Tiff HATES the NSX. There's a video about him trying to show how terrible the NSX handles.

That other video is probably the one about how hard it is to drift the NSX, and Tiff is probably right there. However, he certainly doesn't seem to hate it here:

http://tr.truveo.com/Top-Gear-19901121/id/791488516

Skip ahead to 1:45 to see the NSX review. He has some criticisms, but it doesn't seem that bad.

 

[Ineed a_NSX]

Bottom line guys IMO , Today right now the NSX is the best bang for the buck. Example, buying a early coupe( 25k) tuning it with the right balance of some weight reduction, motor work, brakes and suspension (25-45k) 50-70k total cost. And then you will have an NSX that will compete with the best bang for the buck stock prodution car in the world today chevy ZR1 ! (100k)

 

[nsxotic911]

Bottom line guys IMO , Today right now the NSX is the best bang for the buck. Example, buying a early coupe( 25k) tuning it with the right balance of some weight reduction, motor work, brakes and suspension (25-45k) 50-70k total cost. And then you will have an NSX that will compete with the best bang for the buck stock prodution car in the world today chevy ZR1 ! (100k)

I don't think so.... A 550RWHP NSX isn't going to be nearly as reliable as a ZR-1, not to mention a lot of parts that are well, about 20 years old. Good luck making it emissions legal too. Oh yeah, I think you get a warranty with the Corvette, and when you put a Turbo that just about doubles the output? Yeah right.

A better comparison is picking up a high quality 02+, putting a SC or Turbo on to get around 400RWHP, bring it down to under 3000 lbs and you have a very nice all around car. It still may not beat a ZR1, but it will be very very well rounded.

 

[Ineed a_NSX]

I don't think so.... A 550RWHP NSX isn't going to be nearly as reliable as a ZR-1, not to mention a lot of parts that are well, about 20 years old. Good luck making it emissions legal too. Oh yeah, I think you get a warranty with the Corvette, and when you put a Turbo that just about doubles the output? Yeah right.

A better comparison is picking up a high quality 02+, putting a SC or Turbo on to get around 400RWHP, bring it down to under 3000 lbs and you have a very nice all around car. It still may not beat a ZR1, but it will be very very well rounded.

I agree the car must be reliable too. But if your buliding the car. The NSX seems like is could be brought down around 2400 pounds without having a striped looking car. And then just add in what you think might be the most reliable hp ? I would think it's somewhere around 500hp crank. And that would make for a close race (figuratively )

 

[FrEsHaZzBuRu]

The NSX seems like is could be brought down around 2400 pounds without having a striped looking car.

It will definitely be a stripped car at that weight. Just breaking into the 2600 territory (just below 2700) is hard enough just replacing parts with lighter ones.

I believe a high boost CTSC (400whp) with a 2700lbs curb weight might come close to the performance levels of the ZR1, but even then reliability may be a concern, as well as a lot of the comfort given up to reduce the weight. Like the saying goes: "there's no replacement for displacement."

 

[NSXLVR]

I'd love to see them do an NSX test with a Lovefab/factor X turbo kit :biggrin:

 

[Ineed a_NSX]

It will definitely be a stripped car at that weight. Just breaking into the 2600 territory (just below 2700) is hard enough just replacing parts with lighter ones.

The new NSX spoon LHD weights 2400 and something pounds, it doesn't looked striped to me, They saved something like over 100 lbs alone from just the front and rear bumper


SOS new 2.1L sc puts down about 450 at the wheels, with a mildly bulit 3.2L , and clams full reliability. ( just quoting someone who very familiar with the NSX motor.) which would be a nice setup for a 2400-2500 pound car. ( not to say it's not a nice setup for a 3000 pound car, but if i were buliding it with 450 at the wheels i would want the car to be in the 2500 or less pound range )

 

[dang]

I actually agree with the guy. He says that the car is an engineering marvel (or something like that) and he knows its a super car, but he thinks its an old design and Honda needs to move on. I agree. I also think that if you were to ask the Honda engineers they would agree too. Its an old platform. Most companies would've stopped making it years ago.

 

[BD]

I actually agree with the guy. He says that the car is an engineering marvel (or something like that) and he knows its a super car, but he thinks its an old design and Honda needs to move on. I agree. I also think that if you were to ask the Honda engineers they would agree too. Its an old platform. Most companies would've stopped making it years ago.

Com'on, you have a BMW avatar, of course you're going to agree with Hamster.:biggrin:

 

[nsxotic911]

I actually agree with the guy. He says that the car is an engineering marvel (or something like that) and he knows its a super car, but he thinks its an old design and Honda needs to move on. I agree. I also think that if you were to ask the Honda engineers they would agree too. Its an old platform. Most companies would've stopped making it years ago.

Old design.. let's see:
-Alluminum chasis + body.
-Mid-engine.
-Under 3000 lbs for coupe.
-Decent trunk.
-12.4 quarter mile on the 2800 lb "280 hp" version.. which is not terribly difficult to acheive on a coupe - weight reduction.
-165+ mph STOCK with "only" 280 mph.
-300K+ mile engine
-RELIABLE

If that's the oldies, bring 'em back!

 

[dablackgoku1234]

Features are only good on paper, it all comes down to sale figures.

 

[swerve2007]

really? then we are all getting screwed by not driving vw bugs.

 

[dlynes]

like stated before, hampster said "hardly anyones bought one" results are amazing handles beautifully and grips like nothing else.

yes Honda should have upgraded the nsx more along the way but in its debut it was one of the best cars ever made/designed.

Problem with nsx is everyone wants to compare the nsx to cars today when everyone should compare it to cars of the early 90's

 

[UnhuZ]

Features are only good on paper, it all comes down to sale figures.

you couldn't be more wrong.... sales figures show nothing else than the current tendencies...not necessary a good thing... here in Portugal, the current tendency is to buy anything from Audi/VW... and the prices are on pair with Mercedes and BMW... do anyone with their brain still intact, would prefer a Audi/VW over a BMW/Mercedes for about the same price?!?!?

and the features are on paper and, in this case, ON THE ROAD for about 19 years.... i think the life span shows the level of quality and reliability of it's features.

 

[UnhuZ]

Problem with nsx is everyone wants to compare the nsx to cars today when everyone should compare it to cars of the early 90's

The problem is that back in the 90s simple there was no competition... unless by far a lot more money... so... i don't see where the NSX loose anything being compared to today's supercars... even if it looses on the road and paper (which is not easy), it still wins only just for being on the comparison.

 

[Ineed a_NSX]

The problem is that back in the 90s simple there was no competition... unless by far a lot more money... so... i don't see where the NSX loose anything being compared to today's supercars... even if it looses on the road and paper (which is not easy), it still wins only just for being on the comparison.

This thread started a battle, I agree with you again.

Look at major motor companies, And how long it took them to catch HONDA.

1986 - porsche 959
1991- NSX

GM- Maybe the 2001 Zo6( 11 years ) IMO they didn't until the 2009 ZR1
Ford- 2004 GT-40 ( 14 years )
lambo- 2001 murcielago ( 11 years )
Ferrari- 1994 355 (3 years )
ex.
ex.
and so on..

 

[PhiAlpha44]

Old design.. let's see:
-Alluminum chasis + body.
-Mid-engine.
-Under 3000 lbs for coupe.
-Decent trunk.
-12.4 quarter mile on the 2800 lb "280 hp" version.. which is not terribly difficult to acheive on a coupe - weight reduction.
-165+ mph STOCK with "only" 280 mph.
-300K+ mile engine
-RELIABLE

If that's the oldies, bring 'em back!

Yeah no kidding...

Tiff HATES the NSX. There's a video about him trying to show how terrible the NSX handles.

It's funny you said that. Until you brought his name up, I completely forgot what a total prick Tiff was. I always hated that guy. I never agreed with ANY of his stuff. He always thought things were "amazing" that I thought looked boring.

Features are only good on paper, it all comes down to sale figures.

That is just plain stupidity right there.

 

[bling]

do anyone with their brain still intact, would prefer a Audi/VW over a BMW/Mercedes for about the same price?!?!?

Sorry to be OT but I couldn't help but disagree this comment

I will take an RS4 over an E46 M3 or MB C55 (comparing the same year as there is no "new" RS4 yet...I will have superior build-quality and a 4-dr sedan over MB's horrible resale value and BMW's impracticality (coupe).

Again, it's just my opinion. Some people do care more about what brand of cars they own rather that the quality of the car itself. :wink:

 

[UnhuZ]

The problem is that in the US the car models are different.... here we have 4dr M3, and we also have the new RS4, which is NA, in 4dr sedan and wagon/van (whatever you guys call it in the US).

I have friends with Audi/VW and their experience is a proof of low quality material and manufacturing... more on the mechanical side of the car

examples:
- Diesel engines broken due to a ultra high oil burn... between schedule maintenances the oil starves out (almost 1L for 2000kms)
- clutchs and gear boxes broken, both on normal and Quattro transmissions
- shown wear on some interior parts in cars with few kms
- First RS4 had a common problem... the rims broke off by all 5 spokes...this was with the initial design...issue was addressed later
- etc...etc...

and in case you wonder... i know how my friends drive and take general care of their cars.

about your comment on the brand, i couldn't agree more... that's why everybody here are driving Audi/VW... because their neighboor has one...

Here in Portugal, if i want a good car, that lasts long without giving me any kind of headache, i have to go to a Honda, BMW or Mercedes...

I don't even talk about high-end cars (Ferraris, Lambos, Porsches, etc)...

So you have an idea, i bought my NSX from Germany... and i asked the original owner why didn't he have a Porsche...his answer was:
"almost all my friends have one... and while i drive any of my NSX every day , their's Porsches are on the Dealer fixing something"


But this is a matter of opinion... we can't argue on opinions...because opinions are like vaginas.... everybody has one and have the power to give it away :tongue::tongue::tongue:

Sorry to be OT but I couldn't help but disagree this comment

I will take an RS4 over an E46 M3 or MB C55 (comparing the same year as there is no "new" RS4 yet...I will have superior build-quality and a 4-dr sedan over MB's horrible resale value and BMW's impracticality (coupe).

Again, it's just my opinion. Some people do care more about what brand of cars they own rather that the quality of the car itself. :wink:

 

[swerve2007]

"almost all my friends have one... and while i drive any of my NSX every day , their's Porsches are on the Dealer fixing something"


that why i too drive the measly honda:wink:

 

[dablackgoku1234]

Just so we're back on topic here, we are comparing the 2002+ NSX-R which was featured on Top Gear in Season 3 2003, to the rest of the competition. That being said, its not a battle between 1990s era cars, its 2003!!

 

[dang]

I'm not arguing the quality, engineering and styling of the NSX, I'm saying that Honda should be building a new platform by now. How many other cars have been in production as long as the NSX with the same chassis and basic design? And, sales figures are ALWAYS part of the equation and is what drives the change in design. Would they and should they take the good design aspects of the NSX chassis and use it on the next one? Absolutely. A smart engineer will always look at what's working well, use it as a great place to start and try to make it better using newer technology and materials. Saying its good enough and not trying to move forward always hurts in the end. Bottom line, reputation, you name it...

The German car debate is for another time! :wink: